Earning with Cracked Software = Haram ?

FUEL2009

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Karach!
i download all of my movies and music from torrents which is all illegal stuff... i used cracked software and never paid for a software, other than the pirated cds and dvds...
Look here lad, from reading your confession i'm forced to warn you that you dont belong in our community, none of us at PG does this and we dont encourage it to others, you seem to be a person with a cheap sense of morality, so please think twice before posting your anti-social practices on PG as a lot of kids browse our forums.
 

Hero

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It's funny watching people here giving islamic rationalizations about piracy while they are downloading buttloads of piracy content in their minimized utorrent.

Talking about hypocrisy.
 

Thinker

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actually it's a complex question..
these types of questions leads us to think that after all some how some where deep or shallow we are consuming or doing things which are haram.

The points of above post are valid but it's also true that the program that we are using if for free would have contributed to the developer's revenue if we had "bought it", we deprive the Developer from that money.
Also Software 'has' a material cost. Making a complex program (like a game) or any other software requires immense Time, Power (Power consumption), Capital Expenditure (Expensive rendering Hardware), labor (Effort) to complete.
Also we have a choice 'not' to use a pirated software if we can't buy it....

although the debate has no use because most of us (incl me) use pirated programs daily. Not only that but we (incl me) do so much haram in our lives (knowing or not knowing) daily.
partly our conscience has died and partly because the "End" is near.

i can only hope and pray sincerely that may ALLAH enlighten us and help us get out of all wrong (haram) in our lives.
What I meant to say by material cost is that there is no extra cost to the dev after making the software. Yes there are a lot of development expenditure but downloading a torrent does not directly harm anyone.

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HAMMER of THOR

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lahore dude
Look here lad, from reading your confession i'm forced to warn you that you dont belong in our community, none of us at PG does this and we dont encourage it to others, you seem to be a person with a cheap sense of morality, so please think twice before posting your anti-social practices on PG as a lot of kids browse our forums.
you are gonna make me cry now:(
 

opethian

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Waisay ajeeb batain ho Rae hain ...
We r not ready to accept that what all we r discussing about most of its all is wrong whether u do it legally or illegally

So u have 3 options
Simply quit it
Or pay ur or ur father's halaal money for it
Or do what we r doing right now

Jahan tak aik bhai ka point tha keh mufti Sahab say pochain bhai Kia apko sahe aur ghalat ka nae pata ... Kia u ask every small thing from mufti???
Kia sirf gunah-e-kabira he gunah hain Baqi sab chalta hai???

Islam ye nahe keh Jo apko suit karay wo halaal hai Jo na karay wo haraam
So either accept it fully quit all such imbiguities or else dnt give Islamic logics for every stupid topic of discussion ...

A totally useless discussion ... Jo ghalat hai wo ghalat hai iskay liye kisi kay opinion ki zarorat nae u r just trying to find one convincing reason to make it justifiable for you ...





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shujaswati

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Waisay ajeeb batain ho Rae hain ...
We r not ready to accept that what all we r discussing about most of its all is wrong whether u do it legally or illegally

So u have 3 options
Simply quit it
Or pay ur or ur father's halaal money for it
Or do what we r doing right now

Jahan tak aik bhai ka point tha keh mufti Sahab say pochain bhai Kia apko sahe aur ghalat ka nae pata ... Kia u ask every small thing from mufti???
Kia sirf gunah-e-kabira he gunah hain Baqi sab chalta hai???

Islam ye nahe keh Jo apko suit karay wo halaal hai Jo na karay wo haraam
So either accept it fully quit all such imbiguities or else dnt give Islamic logics for every stupid topic of discussion ...

A totally useless discussion ... Jo ghalat hai wo ghalat hai iskay liye kisi kay opinion ki zarorat nae u r just trying to find one convincing reason to make it justifiable for you ...





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dude, meri moo ki bath cheen li
 

Tultras

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One thing I simply fail to understand.

You say you have been earning money through it for a really long time, through cracking software and using it for software development, earning money and getting through your daily life through that mean, yes?

You also feel conflicted that you are doing something wrong because you did not pay for it, while that breaks the ethical bounds certainly, but as " obvious " or rationalised it may seem, you will not receive the right answer to it if you do not consult the RIGHT people I.E Scholars.

Here is my suggestion: PAY FOR IT, a very simply way to get rid of your guilt, no? You've been earning so long through this, as you say. So you can certainly pay for original software and windows. Complication? Don't have enough money? Well, you can SAVE money everyday with the intention of buying it ( this will not rid you of your wrong, nor is this an Islamic solution ) and simply buy it after a while. I don't see why this is not possible, instead of fretting about it.
 

Lord Ammar

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Certainly a morally wrong action but what are our alternatives if we're not to use pirated softwares?
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I don't know, maybe buy the actual thing?!

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All these companies should sell their software in pakistan with a price that reflects our economy, purchasing power and poor currency if they really want us to not pirate. But obviously these companies don't care so why should we? Remember software has no material cost to it so you aren't harming anyone. When you steal something you deprive someone of their belonging, this does not happen with software.

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Stealing is not allowed in Islam, end of story. There are no ifs and buts. You steal, you burn in hell. You're only making excuses by bringing in economy and purchasing power. It's very clearly mentioned in Quran NOT to steal.
 

opethian

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I would request no personal attacks ... It's everyone's choice what he does ...

On a lighter part when I see these Jewish financed companies robbing us n using our money in developing other cyber n strategic weapons system against us n selling them to our enemies ... I say ... Rape em baby ... :p they deserved to be treated like this :)





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Thinker

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Stealing is not allowed in Islam, end of story. There are no ifs and buts. You steal, you burn in hell. You're only making excuses by bringing in economy and purchasing power. It's very clearly mentioned in Quran NOT to steal.
Piracy is not stealing.
 

Thinker

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as i said my self no personal attacks so i will not say anything about ur views ...
but for me there is no difference ...
The difference is pretty simple. If I steal your mobile phone then you can no longer use it and are deprived from your belonging. However if I pirate your software then I didn't do you any harm. And don't tell me you lost on potential revenue because to say that a pirate would have paid if he couldn't pirate is a far fetched assumption.

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opethian

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plz dnt teach me ur philosophy ...
every facility utility has a price ... we r used not to pay for it ...
ill ask u one day when u will create something n when others will be earning money out of ur creation n ur not paid for ur idea, ur work, ur own thing ...
if u own n house n i hire ur one room but not pay for it ... i think u will not mind ... rather you should not mind ...

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Just remembered this picture with the ongoing discussion.
aray baba ... its cloning ... hehehe ...
 

Thinker

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if u own n house n i hire ur one room but not pay for it ... i think u will not mind ... rather you should not mind ...
What sort of logic is this? If you live in a room in my house then I can no longer utilize that room for myself and now have a smaller house to live in.



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