Earning with Cracked Software = Haram ?

[moiz1992]

As I said I don't let religion dictate my life, apni apni soch hai bhai. Religion certainly hasn't done this country any good so don't get me started on this. The most successful nations in the world are those which keep a nice balance between religion and practicality.

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lol dont tell me u hold the view that some countries are successful solely because they strike a balance between religion and practicality?? that way america and uk are successful because they maintain balance between religion and practicality???? yeh quraan ke alfaaz hain ke yeh dunya unki jannat hai and akhirat ki dunya unki sazah. all the answers we need are in the quraan and when the quraan doesnt solve our queries, we consult alims and muftis who are entitled to give a fatwa. once we start living by such simple easy principles, allah himself will make our lives blessed and succesful, no matter how shaky and poor the rest of the country may be. ive turned down many job offers after consulting muftis. ive let go of many potential jobs which i couldve taken. shaytan kept on urging me to take the jobs and ignore the religious issues. but i ended up working myself, for my own business and i believe Allah is paying me back

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[Thinker]

You don't let religion dictate your life? You ARE a Muslim, or am I missing something here?

Being a muslim does not mean that you forget about the world you are living in and its own problems. The sort of mentality you are trying to bring is the reason why there are suicide bombers, when someone thinks worldly matters are useless and only religion matters then lots of crap happens in the world.

lol dont tell me u hold the view that some countries are successful solely because they strike a balance between religion and practicality?? that way america and uk are successful because they maintain balance between religion and practicality???? yeh quraan ke alfaaz hain ke yeh dunya unki jannat hai and akhirat ki dunya unki sazah. all the answers we need are in the quraan and when the quraan doesnt solve our queries, we consult alims and muftis who are entitled to give a fatwa. once we start living by such simple easy principles, allah himself will make our lives blessed and succesful, no matter how shaky and poor the rest of the country may be. ive turned down many job offers after consulting muftis. ive let go of many potential jobs which i couldve taken. shaytan kept on urging me to take the jobs and ignore the religious issues. but i ended up working myself, for my own business and i believe Allah is paying me back

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Yahi to masla hai hamari qoom ka har negative cheez main koi religious jawab nikal lain gai apna aap ko tasali daina kai liya.

Not every non-muslim nation is successful you know. Do you even realise that there was a time when muslims were the most successful nations in the world? Muslims are the laughing stock of the world now not because Allah wanted muslims to suffer but they are themselves to blame for it. Quran kee koi verse quote karnai sai pehla thora soch laina chahia mera dost.

 

[Lord Ammar]

Ahan, so letting Islam dictate your life is a mentality of a suicide bomber? You clearly have a very skewed view of Islam (ironically like the suicide bombers you mentioned) and you're confusing it as 'just another religion with a book' and forgetting that Islam itself is a way of life. These are pretty basic things you'll find in a 'beginner's guide to Islam'.

 

[Thinker]

Ahan, so letting Islam dictate your life is a mentality of a suicide bomber? You clearly have a very skewed view of Islam (ironically like the suicide bombers you mentioned) and you're confusing it as 'just another religion with a book' and forgetting that Islam itself is a way of life. These are pretty basic things you'll find in a 'beginner's guide to Islam'.

Its obvious you dont understand what I am saying. When you consider religion to be the highest possible ideal then that is the beginning of extremism.

 

[opethian]

Its obvious you dont understand what I am saying. When you consider religion to be the highest possible ideal then that is the beginning of extremism.

U r beyond reasoning ...
N I won't blame u for ur views about life n religion ...
But remember ... We r ist Muslims then something else ... Rest it's ur choice if ur happy earning the way ur earning ... Many young guys n even kids have shared right point of view ...

Baqi it's ur life brother no one can force u to follow the right path may be with time n age u will learn something good about religion ...

But once religion is not important for anyone then it doesn't matter what he do it how he do it ... Just ignore these posts n live ur life peacefully ... "Daikha jaye ga Jo hona hai baad main abhe lut pao"

For the serious searchers n those for whom religion is the way of life ... I must commend the views of many guys who r a lot younger to me n they have a much better understanding of religion ... Jazak-Allah ...

We should be very very concerned about our earnings ... One might live a simple life barely making the two ends meet but he should not let a single drop of haram in his body n especially of those dependent on him ...
N those who have any objection plz if u lack some knowledge its better not to speak on such issues ... Consult someone read some thing n once u r mature enough plz give ur views ... There are many young kids who r choosing the right path n trying their best ... Being fundamentalist about the religion u follow is not bad thing ... Every religion has some basic fundamentals ... N being a man of book I respect all such religions n their fundamentalist followers ...

U said extremist well what u r then? Ur also a form or extremist who is totally denying the religious teachings ... In a company of alcoholics a pure Muslim will be an extremist n among pure followers an unbeliever will be an extremist ... So one must see who is he n among who he is standing ...
Plz dnt feel offended but once u will put religion out of our lives n give a judgement someone like me will respond to you in this tone ... Apkay liye behtar yehe hai just follow what u believe n dnt try to talk on religious affairs ...

Allah ham sab ko hidayat ka rasta daikhaye

 

[maryfarrukh]

The sort of mentality you are trying to bring is the reason why there are suicide bombers, when someone thinks worldly matters are useless and only religion matters then lots of crap happens in the world.

This line makes me sick.

Do you know that there exists some sort of a thing as 'Suicide is Haram'?

Its like, I yell 'In the name of Jesus' and blow up myself in a crowd and you guys start to say that Jesus had something to do with it

 

[opethian]

Its obvious you dont understand what I am saying. When you consider religion to be the highest possible ideal then that is the beginning of extremism.

N yes as a direct reply to ur post [MENTION=8586]Thinker[/MENTION] ... Yes religion is the highest ideal ... If u have different views plz simply ignore this thread ...
Jazak-Allah

 

[moiz1992]

Being a muslim does not mean that you forget about the world you are living in and its own problems. The sort of mentality you are trying to bring is the reason why there are suicide bombers, when someone thinks worldly matters are useless and only religion matters then lots of crap happens in the world.

Yahi to masla hai hamari qoom ka har negative cheez main koi religious jawab nikal lain gai apna aap ko tasali daina kai liya.

Not every non-muslim nation is successful you know. Do you even realise that there was a time when muslims were the most successful nations in the world? Muslims are the laughing stock of the world now not because Allah wanted muslims to suffer but they are themselves to blame for it. Quran kee koi verse quote karnai sai pehla thora soch laina chahia mera dost.

lol ill still quote the same sentence again because i guess u didnt get it. you have the opinion that countries like palestine, iraq, syria, afghanistan are on the downfall because of their own actions???? and ur impressed by successful non muslim western countries and u reckon its because they dont let their lives be dictated by a religious book? i pray for your hidayat bro. this is allahs plan , all we can do is correct ourselves and not blame "extremism" for our failures. allah has given the non muslims worldy pleasures where as the suffering persevering believers will be rewarded AFTER the end of this world. dyu know hazrat Esa will rule the whole world for 40 years before the end???? a dominating muslim empire awaits to be formed.

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[shujaswati]

I resign my last job 2 months ago, getting paid more then 70k.
Reason for resigning, they assigned me a project related to Drinks (Vodka, Scotch and tequila) in Islamabad. I denied in best way I could but they left me no option.

Am I a extremist then, yes If following my Prophet S.A.W.W teachings does, then I am.

Am still looking for job and have full faith and hope in Allah as He never let me down. He always listened to me. SubhaAllah.

 

[Thinker]

I apologize to everyone who thinks I am here speaking against religion or something I am not. My point is simply that halam haram is a petty issue only where its impossible to find a real solution. When you reach that stage then its time to do what you think is right and stop thinking so hard over it. You guys do realise that pakistan is being run on interest? The tax that you pay is used to pay interest on loan? The company you are working in almost certainly has debt finance and is paying interest. Kya karain phir? Antarctica main ja kar kaam karain so one can be free from interest? Or do you suppose to tell me that we just ignore this issue and concentrate on things like copyrights han?

There is a huge difference between victimless sin and causing harm to someone. In the former you are not harming anyone, its just a matter of you and your God then.

This line makes me sick.

Do you know that there exists some sort of a thing as 'Suicide is Haram'?

Its like, I yell 'In the name of Jesus' and blow up myself in a crowd and you guys start to say that Jesus had something to do with it

Suicide to kill the enemy in war is not haram. For these extremists it IS war so dont tell me it is not war because from their point of view it is war.

 

[hasanJ]

lol ill still quote the same sentence again because i guess u didnt get it. you have the opinion that countries like palestine, iraq, syria, afghanistan are on the downfall because of their own actions???? and ur impressed by successful non muslim western countries and u reckon its because they dont let their lives be dictated by a religious book? i pray for your hidayat bro. this is allahs plan , all we can do is correct ourselves and not blame "extremism" for our failures. allah has given the non muslims worldy pleasures where as the suffering persevering believers will be rewarded AFTER the end of this world. dyu know hazrat Esa will rule the whole world for 40 years before the end???? a dominating muslim empire awaits to be formed.

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So what happens to the Non Muslims who are suffering in the World? :tv:
The state we are in today is solely because of our actions and not because of some grand plans where we suffer in the world and get rewarded in the afterlife

The Muslim Empires of the past were successful in the world meaning Allah blessed them with worldly pleasures
Contradictory dont u think?

 

[Thinker]

So what happens to the Non Muslims who are suffering in the World? :tv:
The state we are in today is solely because of our actions and not because of some grand plans where we suffer in the world and get rewarded in the afterlife

The Muslim Empires of the past were successful in the world meaning Allah blessed them with worldly pleasures
Contradictory dont u think?

I am glad atleast someone else can use logic.

 

[opethian]

N discussion was earning using pirated softwares n see one guy has moulded this thread to his own liking
Yar aap Kay liye theek hai ap karo na kon mana kar raha hai ... Why worry ???

 

[Danish_karachi]

So this point was bothering me since the start of this year. My first reaction was to buy a legal windows 7 in Jan 2013 as well as Office and I never looked back.

So the next phase of this question is also very debatable. Cracking is stealing, Stealing is haram, earning with stolen software also haram.

I am in Software Development Field, But there are countless areas where windows and office are used regularly to make earnings. This is exactly my question, Is it really this lack of ethical values seeped into out blood that we have lost the sense of being honest.

I mean there is Linux available, Open source, no strings attached but we choose to crack software for the pleasure of it.

For last 15 years I have been using Cracked windows, in fact everything cracked and I admit, there comes a times it grows on you. You start to really think the lack of "Barkat" in your life and when you realize that your earnings are in fact coming through something stolen and all your life you have been listening that never to put a "haram nawala" in your and family mouth.

So when you start earning, you use software for any such purpose as simple as an application draft. Do you think it's one of the core reason we are failing as a nation and Allah is angry with us.

I had to dig into this post to clarify a lot of misstatements in his illogical post.

The premise cracking is stealing is nonsense.

Imagine someone stealing your car but it stays in the garage. It can't happen. Can a cat be alive and dead at the same time (Quantum superimposition | Schrödinger's cat)?

Impossible.

Piracy is not stealing, but rather sharing of digital goods with others. It is the greedy developers and filmmakers not content with making millions to brand sharing as pirating.

Stealing can only be done of goods that cannot be reproduced. Cracking a game is sharing goods with others. And it's natural.

People who say sharing of digital goods is bad or haraam are mostly haughty rich dudes who want to maintain their feeling of exclusivity preventing others to educate and have fun.

How many of you as a kid shared your toys with other kids? Did the toymaker sued you for sharing the toy as it hit their profit? Hell, no.

Piracy is in fact a good deed that allows poor people to enjoy digital entertainment and learn new skills through software.

Crackers have in fact bought games that they share with others.

Most pirates don't sell games. They don't make money out of it. But even if you do sell pirated games, I don't believe it's logical to say it's Haram. Is selling your collection of comic books at a yard sale haraam? Again, a big no.

If you can afford to buy a software or game, do it. There is a big sense of achievenent in buying something new.

If not, there is nothing wrong with piracy. It is because of piracy a lot of people including me were able to learn how to use a computer, spreadsheet software and more. If it weren't for those generous pirates or Robin Hoods as I call them who worked hard to make unaffordable software accessible to the masses, a lot of people in poor countries like Pakistan including me would probably be in the street homeless, depressed, and without a job.

Without piracy, a lot of startups that are now providing thousands of jobs to the locals wouldn't even have existed. Small tech schools and colleges couldn't have educated the masses due to the Uber costly software license without piracy.

The devs are to be blamed for the rampant piracy. They should have priced game and software discs appropriately in different countries and released them through official channels in each country to prevent people from sharing the digital goods.
Also, it is the dumb developers to blame for not doing enough to protect their work from being reproduced.
If a game can be cracked, it was meant to be 'shared' with others.

We need to end this extremist thinking, branding harmless acts as haraam. It is the same senseless thinking that allowed Muslims to be humiliated by the west in the past few centuries. They failed to progress due to brandishing everything as haraam.

We need to improve ourselves whatever it takes without limiting our actions through such illogical thinking.

Pirating is sharing of goods. End of discussion.

 

[ebayuser]

Acha Cracked softwares use kerna haram hain ? Haan haram hai ager uss kay developer ya company nai us ki ik qeemat muqerar ki howi hai.

Dosari taraf aap shareware or freeware softwares use ker saktay hain. kyunkay shareware matlab you can use it form some trial time or with some restrictions and freeware is 100% free forever with all features. i used many computers from 1980s like C64, MSX, Atari, ZX spectrum, Amiga and finally on IBM PC XT an so on and that time many shareware and freeware softwares avialable in market and that time we buy softwares copies on floppy disks in size of like 3.5" and 5.25". that time HDD is very very expensive only 20MB HDD cost upto Rs.10,000. and that time there is no SATA interfaces of HDD or FDD , that time IDE interfaces like P-ATA and SCSI using I/O cards or SCSI cards. I remember in my teenage there are few computers shops in Karachi and i go there with my formated floppy disks they show you a physical paper list of softwares names printed with categories like games utilities etc etc sections they also mentioned each software take how many floppies, so you choose your software game according to your need and they copy softwares on floppy disks at price Rs.10 per floppy. that time almost all PC softwares run in MSDOS (before Windows95 i always work in msdos even i use CP/M OS in MSX it's very old OS), or windows 3.1, no sound card, partially use mouse, only pc internal speaker sound, no color monitor, no hi-color VGA card. only 256 colors VGA or 16 colors CGA, EGA cards with 128k memory in ISA or VESA interfaces not PCI, only 2mb or 4mb RAM of whole computer, haan Amiga is much better then PC that time. yeh sound blaster, 65K or 16M colors walay vga cards tu baad may aayay, i remember graphics and sound cards companies like S3 trio, Trident, Oak tech, Cirrus Logic, Orchid, 3dfx vodoo, Diamond, adlib, sound blaster, Turtle beach, Ensoniq, Yamaha i bought first CD-ROM reader drive in Rs.5000 speed is 1x (150kb sec) reading speed, DVD tu bahut baad may aaya. my first HDD was 40mb Maxtor company IDE interface, PC say pehlay usaully may Commodore 64, MSX or Amiga use kerta tha they all are awesome machines of the time or aaj bhi meri collection mai hain. PC may nay buhat baad may use kiya because i don't like PC that time but i started from XT/ AT 80286 then 386SX/DX then 486 DX2, then P1, Pentium Pro, P2, P3, P4 so on i still like Pentium Pro Processors. that time i use dual pentium pro 1mb cache workstation with SCSI hard drives. and my All time favorite computer is Commodore Amiga 1200. all Amiga machines are based on Motorola Processors. Aur haan I never used Apple MAC that time becasue no one like apple computer that time they specificly used in printing/designing field. not for games or other fields. mostly used in europe. Macintosh also based on motorola processors mager Amiga kay samnay kuch bhi nahi tha. Apple kaa naam tu bana hi smart phone aanay kay baad warna 2000 sy pehlay Apple ko aam aadmi jaanta bhi nahi tha. I also don't like apple till now. it is just a status symbol. ager dunya mai computer sahi manoo banaya hai tu sirf Commodore company nay but billgates jaisay logon nay us ko fail bankrupt ker diya woh nahi chatay thy commodore aagay berhay. early 1990s and late 1980s may 75% world computers ka share commodore kay pass tha. ager aaj commodore hota tu 100% ussi ka raaj hota. Commodore Amiga kay pechay iss zaheen aadmi ka dimaagh tha Jay Miner he is the founder of Amiga / Atari 2600.
and Now you can download many freeware and shareware softwares from net very easily.

Paid softwares buhat mehngay hain US$ may price hay aur Pakistani afford nahi ker saktay. haan abhi bhi bahut si Pakistani companies original softwares buy kerkay use kerti hain mager woh bari companies hain they can afford. even i know how to crack softwares but i don't do it. i know many cracking groups on mIRC and on warez sites, they also best in cool intros demoscene programing in assembly pascal and C language.

Yeh sab raisat (gov) ki zamaidari hain kay woh paid softwares riayaat per students ko dain takay woh us ko istamal ker sakain aur prirated software kay liya sakht law banayay. takay koi cracked software use na kersakay, hum baher mulk ja ker tu sab sahi ho jatay hain waha signals bhi nahi tortay, parking bhi sahi kertay hain, que may bhi lagtay hain aur paid softwares use kertay hain because hum ko sazaa ka dar hota hai, aur yahaam law bhi na honay kay baraber hay tu dar bhi nahi hai.

for example a online market like fiverr many peoples from India, Bangladesh Pakistan using cracked softwares for there gigs, How you can compete them with paid softwares ? some softwares cost in thousands of $$$. you can't buy all of them.

haan ager aap kay zarori kaam sirf 2 ya 3 softwares say chal jata hay tu kosish kerain un ko khreed lain ya un ka cheap alternative buy ker lain ya shareware or freeware us jaisa software talaash ker lain. mager iss ka matlab yeh nahi her software jis ki aap ko zaida zarorat bhi nahi hai cracked use ker lain.

Abhi 2023 hai aur mai abhi tak Windows XP with core2quad use kerta hoon mager mai kaam may 2 lakh walay computer say bhi zaida acha kerta hoon. Because of experience. i run all things on that OS easily, i can fetch every website easily. iss ka yeh matlab nahi kay mugh ko windows 7 ya 10 ya Linux, android ya other OS chalanay nahi aatay, sab OS perfectly use kernay aatay hain. even i host and program servers / scripts / websites easily. bus mugh ko windows XP is secure lagti hai, i am expert of it. aur iss pehlay mugh Windows 2000 achi lagti thi, haan kabhi kabhi windows 7 per janay ka dil chata hai, dekho kab jaon, ....meri batain boring thee mager hosakta hay aap ko kuch computer history ki knowledge mili ho, aur ager mili hai tu reply ker kay batayay

to be continued.....!

 

[djkido316]

Using cracked software is dangerous now a days and it was always unethitical or HARAM.

The main reason i've been using Arch linux as my primary OS since a decade now and use FOSS alternative softwares.