Earning with Cracked Software = Haram ?

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Waisay ur question was very advance for most of us
Like nursery n other elementary classes u should have started from basics ... Ie what all is illegal In our eyes ... U quoted me n my photography plz read my page n it's details ... Im giving my pictures for free to NGOs ... They might sell it or earn from it but I'm not ... Not because I dnt wana earn or can't pay for bloody photoshop or Lightroom I dnt wana have a side business beside my present profession ... Cause it's illegal for me to have a side business but many in my profession do a side business ...
for me writing a blog from a PC having an illegal copy of windows n earning money from that is as illegal as taking bribe or interest on ur money ... Now taking interest from banks is also a matter of debate in our MODERATE society ...
These concepts r aliens for new generation ... So teach or mould them with basic steps ... I've seen ppl saying keh falan bear is not haram as us sy nasha nahe hota us main ___% alcohol hai ... What kind of morality u expect from such kids ... I dnt blame them ... They didn't get proper education about the religion they follow ... N that's y I say dnt get into religious discussions on a public forum ... Islam ki beauty n simplicity ye hai it's very simple ... Pure mathematics ... In it 1+1=2 always ... No matter what logics one has it will always be 2 can't make it 1.5 for our benefits



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The best solution is to pirate everything and than pay for those things that you had a great time with. I have done this with quite a lot of android apps that I first pirate and then buy. If any software has a full trial available like windows then that method is not even needed.

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One thing no body can deny though. Piracy has helped in progress. Do you really think there would be this many graphics desginers right now without piracy. I'm pretty sure the only person on this forum who can afford a $800-$1000 Photoshop is manigamer (I think). Even Adobe isn't that offended by piracy. Without piracy, we would have a pretty ugly looking internet. I'm pretty sure 80% of people pirate photoshop.

No, Gimp doesn't count.
 
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Yar why earn money when u have doubts ... Han if u dnt have doubts keep earning ... Har cheez ka aik time hota hai ... Bacha aik size ka paida hota hai ab wo 20saal ka direct paida nahe ho sakta keh paida hotay sath he job shuru kar day ... So earning without any physical khuwari or professional skills or any hunarmandi is not always legal ...



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Keep on giving good logics to ur guilty conscious ...
I say every advancement in human civilization is by product of a war ... U would have no internet if there were no wars n need for communications ... No nuclear sciences if it was no Hiroshima ... Man created machines like CERN by denying God n trying to find their own reasons of creation of universe ...

Ok create a stuff from pirated thing n sell t even ... But with ist bucks u earn dnt buy new pants or hair gel ... Just pay for that software :)



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The best solution is to pirate everything and than pay for those things that you had a great time with. I have done this with quite a lot of android apps that I first pirate and then buy. If any software has a full trial available like windows then that method is not even needed.

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Yes, that is one way to look at it.
 
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Pirating software/games/movies is stealing. Its a simple as that. You got something which isn't free, for free.

And please don't try ot justify your guilt with the whole pirating is copying and not physical BS. If y'all can get out of denial maybe you can understand how it is stealing.
 

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Pirating software/games/movies is stealing. Its a simple as that. You got something which isn't free, for free.

And please don't try ot justify your guilt with the whole pirating is copying and not physical BS. If y'all can get out of denial maybe you can understand how it is stealing.
I spend my bandwidth for long times and work hard to find torrents, hence I'm working hard and hence what I'm pirating is now halal for me.

/sarcasm
 
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zylo123

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well i guess the best we can do is to buy the software as soon as we earn money from it.
 

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Sticking to facts:

1) Piracy is as haram as anything else. Just because it is not a physical good/easy to steal does not make the deed any less wrong.
2) We're in a poor country.
3) Pakistani mentality: When you can get something for free, don't spend on it.

Considering all that, YES piracy is haram and yes the money you earn from it IS haram. However problems arise when you try to deal with this. Yes there are those people who are truly poor and can not afford to buy legal software. However when it comes to earning from that software, alot of graphic designers, software developers etc have decent incomes, enough that they can afford MS office or a copy of windows. But nobody wants to or ever will because we are pakistanis and we take everything for granted without any consideration of the consequences of our actions.

You can see that attitude here which is sad since very few people on PG are actually poor. It is after all a "gaming" (Hint: Expensive as fuck hobby) forum. :p

EDIT: However you can justify piracy from an economic perspective i.e Windows and Office and certain softwares are just as essential for human life in this century as wheat and sugar and other staple foods. If it's the government's job to ensure such necessities are well provided for (not an issue for software) at the right price (the main issue) then you could extend the same logic to such softwares aswell. As many members are pointing out, these things are simply too expensive for the average buyer in our country. If prices were set keeping in mind people's buying power in each country (such as in India), I'm sure piracy would go down (but not much).

Still this does not justify pirating games or other secondary software. (Though as most gamers are teenagers, we'd need a huge shift in the mentality of our older parent generation for that to happen and I don't see that happening any soon)
 
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[MENTION=13410]Syavash[/MENTION] good u summarize everything ... But one point I must add we should not earn from pirated / cracked / hacked stuff ... Rest its upto everyone's personal capacity n will if he wants to spend halaal money of his parents or himself on his recreational stuff like games n movies or even using his computer for these things ...
What u guys say anout this argument ... Using a pirated stuff is not bad unless one earns money from that ...
N hey r we the only nation who supports piracy??? Dnt be so hateful ... There r worst people than these young kids out here ...


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Some years ago, I had the same discussion with a friend of mine and we reached the same conclusion that it is indeed haram. We were both studying back then and decided to gather money along with two of our other friends. We raised enough money to buy a legit copy of Windows XP and we did. It didn't matter who kept it as long as everyone had access to it.

We even lent that copy to colleagues and friends. We tried to carry this trend over for a long time for games and other things. Our jobs gave us access to legit copies of software like the Adobe Creative Suite and we never looked back. We trade ps3 games amongst each other to this day and over PakGamers.

We're not all that good because we did leech movies off torrents because we couldn't get our hands on Japanese Anime or HD versions of movies we wanted to see. But overall, I think it's a fair idea and people can easily follow it, if they wanted to. Used media sharing is an old idea and it can still work. However, I've seen people have gotten short on Modesty and the will to share. Everyone is looking out for himself.

I don't know when will Pakistanis get tired of discussing everything and take action on their own about it.
 

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Yay Pakistani kee baat to thora halka kar do the morality of piracy is a divided topic all around the world. All these companies can just open Pakistani websites and offer software in pak rupees just like how it is in India, they don't have to open retail stores.

Aur jahan tak baat movies kee hai to movies itself are haram so by paying for them you are contributing to a haram industry lol.

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Yay Pakistani kee baat to thora halka kar do the morality of piracy is a divided topic all around the world. All these companies can just open Pakistani websites and offer software in pak rupees just like how it is in India, they don't have to open retail stores.

Aur jahan tak baat movies kee hai to movies itself are haram so by paying for them you are contributing to a haram industry lol.

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We're talking about the concept of Haram and not specifically "piracy". Piracy is a bad thing for capitalists but they don't see it from a religious point of view. So let's differentiate the two subjects here.
 

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We're talking about the concept of Haram and not specifically "piracy". Piracy is a bad thing for capitalists but they don't see it from a religious point of view. So let's differentiate the two subjects here.

We r not talking about concept of haram :)
We r talking about earnings from a pirated software specifically ... Not just Piracy of entertainment media ...


Ok to be more simple
Someone downloading an Xbox game n burning it on DVD n selling it ... Is it a halaal earning??? Or someone editing a photograph or making a digital art/graphic design etc in cracked/pirated photoshop cs6 n then selling it ... Is it halaal??? Or writing an analytical thesis or research paper for some blog etc using a pirated windows n office copy n he gets money for it ... Wht more examples u need ???

To me all of the above is not pure source of income ... So anyone plz prove these things legal in anyway ...

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mhaqs

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We r not talking about concept of haram :)
We r talking about earnings from a pirated software specifically ... Not just Piracy of entertainment media ...


Ok to be more simple
Someone downloading an Xbox game n burning it on DVD n selling it ... Is it a halaal earning??? Or someone editing a photograph or making a digital art/graphic design etc in cracked/pirated photoshop cs6 n then selling it ... Is it halaal??? Or writing an analytical thesis or research paper for some blog etc using a pirated windows n office copy n he gets money for it ... Wht more examples u need ???

To me all of the above is not pure source of income ... So anyone plz prove these things legal in anyway ...

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You misunderstood what I said. You made it simple for your own understanding. Read what I said again and it's definitely in the context of earning or living off pirated software. I'm a software dev and all that history I mentioned comes from this very fact. If the copy of your windows/OS installation is pirated, does installing legit software to earn on top of it make it "halaal"? You can't make the software work without the OS. So, fix the roots first. Install a legit copy of windows or the operating system that you're going to use and then talk about pirating/earning "haram/halaal" from doing things on it.

Take someone who isn't interested in religion and he won't pay attention to the concept of "Haram". What's the point of taking the discussion any further if he doesn't care about the fundamental concept? Are you still going to oppose what I said or are you going to take the time and read through it because you want to agree with what I said?
 

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You misunderstood what I said. You made it simple for your own understanding. Read what I said again and it's definitely in the context of earning or living off pirated software. I'm a software dev and all that history I mentioned comes from this very fact. If the copy of your windows/OS installation is pirated, does installing legit software to earn on top of it make it "halaal"? You can't make the software work without the OS. So, fix the roots first. Install a legit copy of windows or the operating system that you're going to use and then talk about pirating/earning "haram/halaal" from doing things on it.

Take someone who isn't interested in religion and he won't pay attention to the concept of "Haram". What's the point of taking the discussion any further if he doesn't care about the fundamental concept? Are you still going to oppose what I said or are you going to take the time and read through it because you want to agree with what I said?
the answer to ur point were just these two lines
We r not talking about concept of haram :)
We r talking about earnings from a pirated software specifically ... Not just Piracy of entertainment media ...
n we both n many others who agree to the statement
Earning with Cracked Software = Haram r basically telling same thing with different examples ...

rest points were for those kids who dnt understand what this thread is all about
n brother if some one doesnt even know the concept of halaal n haraam then its useless to tell them about it ...
its not their fault no one told them about it ... i was not born with this knowledge what ever little i have ... my parents my teachers taught me all this ... n on top of it i made my own understanding ... so jisko ye concept b na clear ho usko dobara school nahe bhaija ja sakta ... paki howi roti ko gol nahe kar saktay ...
so this thread n all those who have given a correct input here have contributed alot for giving a right direction to many mislead kids ... may Allah help those n show them the right path ...
 

Lord Ammar

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Why don't we try and buy the software that we can? It's ok, you can't afford Adobe software, most of them retail for over $1000, but is there any excuse to spend over 100k on a PC or a laptop, and then not spend 10k on legit Windows?
 

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The whole argument of: Software these days is expensive, thus we have no choice but to pirate it, is plain retarded. Simple as that.

That would give justification of every middle-low class Pakistani to start stealing since " Prices of daily things are so high, lets start stealing them ".

In the end, the only difference between the two is that in one you are talking about intellectual property, and the other physical.

Piracy, at the end of the day, is wrong.
 

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If you see from the Programmer view, a person writes a program working hard for days and days, writing millions of words behind a simple looking software.

And one simply cracks and then earns on original programmer's hard work.

The Money earned from one's own hard work is halaal.

Earning without doing any work or without bearing the risk of profit and loss is haram.


 
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