[Aurora] Is PC gaming dying?

[Sire Ahsan]

mmorpg is a stale genre, there hasn't been any progression in it for years now, but even in that some forth coming MMORPG's like Final Fantasy XVI, DC Universe, The Agency are all being focused on primarily as console games.

How are multiplatform games apparently being 'focused' on consoles ? Because console makers advertise them ? I mean really ? Focused on consoles because they company who makes the console tells you so ?

MMORPG ? really ? when you think of MMORPG the only thing i can name is warcraft, which as many have said is probably the only thing left for PC gamers,

Only thing ? Really ? With your ignorance I dont think I really need to go on further. Remember that whats said on console conferences isnt the ONLY thing that exists in the world my friend. If you are going to say Warcraft is the only thing left for PC gamers ... all I can say is lulz at your ignorance

i already did, besides, have you heard of this thing called xbox live ? it's supposed to have millions upon millions of players on it, you know, for shizzle.

And yet most of the multiplayer multiplat games are played on the PC on the tournament level ... Call Of Duty 4 was on the PC @ WCG Asia ... fo shizzle!

Just the availability of something like a PC-exclusive going on the console or online gaming doesnt mean PC gaming dies, if anything ... it brings the console up to an equal level of the PC ... PC stays there, and gets some console exclusives while its at it while still excelling in FREE multiplayer online gaming with the hugest playerbase, especially in Pakistan ... and world recognition on a serious hardcore pro gaming level

 

[Kane]

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[Chandoo]

okey THAT is trolling kane.

u can do 1280X720 no AA on 4 Year old PC Hardware if u bought the rite stuff

so wht Xbox2/PS4 will be able to do 1920X1080 Native? big deal
40K worth of PC can do tht now
those future TECH for consoles iz BS

1280X720 noAA pakra dya aur yeh Next Gen realism hay

resolution is irrelevant hasan, you can't tell much difference until you have a really big screen, and when games like COD4 running in sub HD can look miles better than most proper HD games, it just proves my point that much.

no, it's about the amount of polygons etc etc, and better aliasing which will obviously improve over time on all platforms.

and i'm pretty sure discussing things like 360/PS3 can only do "X" resolution isn't the point of this topic , high resolution count isn't helping the PC any right now, i don't see them releasing uncharted on the PC just because it can do higher resolution there , and what happened to alan wake again ? oh yeah, it high-rezzed out of PC for good lol

How are multiplatform games apparently being 'focused' on consoles ? Because console making companies advertise them ? I mean really ? Focused on consoles because they company who makes the console tells you so ?

because that's how the game makers pitch them :S The Agency and DC Universe are both Sony Online products, so whcih platform do you think they'll be advertised more for ? take a wild guess my friend.

also, Final Fantasy XVI, at the sony e3 keynote, huge splash, i don't think anyone even cares about that game coming to the PC, people including sony officialls consider it a "ps3 exclusive".

Only thing ? Really ? With your ignorance I dont think I really need to go on further. Remember that whats said on console conferences isnt the ONLY thing that exists in the world my friend. If you are going to say Warcraft is the only thing left for PC gamers ... all I can say is lulz at your ignorance

if you think PC gaming is not dying, i lulz at YOUR ignorance good sir, see, two can play that game

And yet most of the multiplayer multiplat games are played on the PC on the tournament level ... Call Of Duty 4 was on the PC @ WCG Asia ... fo shizzle!

uh, did you read the rest of my WCG comment at all ? :S ever since the start WCG has been a PC only thing, but in recent years console games are invading a PC-only event, who's at a loss here again ?

oh and, where's COD4 in this year's WCG lineup again ? oh that's right, they're playing COUNTER STRIKE 1.6 LOL and STARCRAFT BROOD WARS !! lol.

even the World Cyber Games doesn't want any recent PC release on it

 

[hasanJ]

resolution is irrelevant hasan, you can't tell much difference until you have a really big screen, and when games like COD4 running in sub HD can look miles better than most proper HD games, it just proves my point that much.

19 inch LCD iz enuff to tell the difference between 1280X720 and 1440X900
and a 22inch LCD will give u 1920X1080 shit loads better than 1280X720
U WILL Notice the difference and these r standard LCD those big ones r 26inch and above

COD4 running in sub HD can look miles better than most proper HD games

give me one example

and btw 19inch and 22inch r common for gaming
and if anyone cant tell the difference between 1280X720 and 1920X1080 native then he needs an ey check up seriously

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and COD4 1280X720 looks better on PC
on any monitor/LCD u choose and thts just the basic since 1280X720 came a long time ago in PC Gaming

 

[Sire Ahsan]

also, Final Fantasy XVI, at the sony e3 keynote, huge splash, i don't think anyone even cares about that game coming to the PC, people including sony officialls consider it a "ps3 exclusive".

So if PC gets a game exclusive to consoles, it "doesnt matter" ... if a PC game goes to consoles you call it the death of the PC. How stupid is this logic ?....

... PC is getting MGS now ... PS3 is dieing its got nothing now! That console is as good as dead ... sound stupid ? Im just using your logic here!

if you think PC gaming is not dying, i lulz at YOUR ignorance good sir, see, two can play that game

Then can you tell me the logic behind your "Warcraft" only thing ?

PC is still getting all the multiplatforms, including some of the console ONLY games now! Games look better on the PC almost always (refer to Gamespots X360vsPS3vsPC comparision). Multiplayer is still very strong on the PC, including servers being launched in Pakistan now ... alongwith tournaments etc..!

If you say multiplatform games are now coming and PC exclusives are being denied ... PC gaming getting console exclusives means that consoles are now being denied ? Consoles are dieing ?

 

[r3aper]

whatever you say guys.....All games are developed via PC softwares...modeling/maps/textures/motion-capture/and almost ever other thing

So bleh...yeah imma trolling

 

[hasanJ]

when Console gets PC exclusives then PC iz dying <_<

but when PC gets Console exclusive then wht? u dont say Console iz dying?

 

[Kane]

saying Pc gaming is dying is = saying NVIDIA is Dying+intel is dying+amd is dying.
cmon man these are multi-billion comapnies and even their might is not enough they are hiring partners to fulfill pc gamer needs around the globe new products are coming!
and here we are saying That pc gaming is dying!
Saying this is like saying Days are disapearing!

 

[Chandoo]

wow seriously console fuckers, no backup ?

and if anyone cant tell the difference between 1280X720 and 1920X1080 native then he needs an ey check up seriously

I'll use an ancient and loved example here hasan, street fighter IV 360, native 720p simply upscaled to 1080p looked exactly the same as street fighter IV running natively on 1080p on PC according to internet comparisons.

and no, zooming in 200x on a corner of the screen doesn't count since humans don't have microscopic eyes, or that large screens.

give me one example

uh, i'm talking in the context of consoles here.

So if PC gets a game exclusive to consoles, it "doesnt matter" ... if a PC game goes to consoles you call it the death of the PC. How stupid is this logic ?....

yeah, it kinda doesn't since all the attention will go to the console version, did you even read my original post ? there's little left for an average gamer that's "PC Only" at this point, even in your beloved MMORPG genre is actively rushing towards consoles too now lol.

like i've said already, even if the console version of the game isn't as technically capable as the PC version, it's still the one that's played more by the general populace, that's common sense.

... PC is getting MGS now ... PS3 is dieing its got nothing now! That console is as good as dead ... sound stupid ? Im just using your logic here!

No, you'll still be able to play MGS on your PS3's or 360's, just like how Nomad pointed out that Crysis 2 is still coming to PC's also, but as i said already there's little left "only for PC" to entice gamers to get gaming PC's.

PC is still getting all the multiplatforms, including some of the console ONLY games now!

is PC getting FFXIII ? Alan Wake ? Smackdosn vs Raw ? UFC ? Tony Hawk ? Tekken 6 ?

no dear there are tons of multiplatform games PC is still not getting, more so most of the multiplatform games it is getting are arriving a long time after their console counterparts, after everyone who wanted to, had already played them.

 

[Sire Ahsan]

No, you'll still be able to play MGS on your PS3's or 360's, just like how Nomad pointed out that Crysis 2 is still coming to PC's also, but as i said already there's little left "only for PC" to entice gamers to get gaming PC's.

Better graphics for one ... something that people Abuses will lead to ban over in "next gen" gaming.

I was using your stupid logic of saying that PC games going multiplatform means the PC is dieing! Sarcasm ... duh! When the PC games goes onto consoles ... you will still play them on the PC, that too with better graphics ! So that part is out of PC gaming being killed because of it.

like i've said already, even if the console version of the game isn't as technically capable as the PC version, it's still the one that's played more by the general populace, that's common sense.

Thats common sense ? Hah ? Really ? How ? Your version of common sense makes as much as sense as your PC dieing cus it looses its exclusive, while console loosing its exclusive doesnt even matter.

is PC getting FFXIII ? Alan Wake ? Smackdosn vs Raw ? UFC ? Tony Hawk ? Tekken 6 ?

Some of the "console ONLY" ... SOME! You ignore those that are coming, name those that arent. Great work ... Tony Hawk ? Really ? Tekken 6 ? WoW ! What epic games ... ! I crave for Tony Hawk SKATER on my PC ... screw RE5 or MGS, I want Tony Hawk *again sarcasm, since you failed the last time to get it*

 

[Chandoo]

Better graphics for one ... something that people Abuses will lead to ban over in "next gen" gaming.

Thats common sense ? Hah ? Really ? How ? Your version of common sense makes as much as sense as your PC dieing cus it looses its exclusive, while console loosing its exclusive doesnt even matter.

this is why you suck at arguments ahsan lol.

if "better graphics" were what people drooled over there wouldn't be this many 360 owners in the world, or even on pakgamers. "better graphics" don't automatically make the PC version the most desirable version of the bunch. "better graphics" isn't going to make the PC version sell worth a damn compared to the console versions. "better graphics" isn't going to turn any person who already has a console to play that game on to buy a gaming PC.

when i say "for PC only" it actually means that, games that are only on the PC that make someone like me want to buy a gaming PC just to play that, eg Crysis 1 or warcraft, games that force gamers to buy a gaming PC just for that. (lol).

Some of the "console ONLY" ... SOME! You ignore those that are coming, name those that arent. Great work ... Tony Hawk ? Really ? Tekken 6 ? WoW ! What epic games ... !

you said "PC is getting all the multiplatform games".

define multiplatform lol, games that are on multiple systems, how is the PC getting "all" of them ?

and tekken is a pretty big effing deal, even in pakistan, you didn't visit that tourney we went to a few years back lol, that's besides the point though, however, like i said your claim of "PC getting all multiplatform games" is very much so false.

you can't even play tales of vesperia on PC dude, and nomad considers that the best jrpg of the current gen, and nomad's the freaking PC advocate king here lol

wow nomad is such a backstabber isn't he lol, he prances around as the biggest PC gaming advocate on the site, yet his favorite games of various aspects are all console titles. lol

When the PC games goes onto consoles ... you will still play them on the PC, that too with better graphics ! So that part is out of PC gaming being killed because of it.

wow talk about missing the point entirely lol, there's little that's left as PC only right now, where as consoles have "exclusives" far and wide. Read that sentence carefully.

i'll spell it out slowly, the ratio of games that are console exclusive to PC exclusive is really high, you can count games that are ONLY ON PC on your finger tips, where as the games that are only on consoles are plentiful, and when you talk about "multiplatform" games like the one's that are on both consoles and PC, odds are higher that more console owners are going to play those games than PC owners.

now do you get it ? or do i need to go even slower?

 

[Sire Ahsan]

if "better graphics" were what people drooled over there wouldn't be this many 360 owners in the world, or even on pakgamers. "better graphics" don't automatically make the PC version the most desirable version of the bunch. "better graphics" isn't going to make the PC version sell worth a damn compared to the console versions. "better graphics" isn't going to turn any person who already has a console to play that game on to buy a gaming PC.

Tell that to owners of gaming PCs AND consoles.

you said "PC is getting all the multiplatform games".

define multiplatform lol, games that are on multiple systems, how is the PC getting "all" of them ?

You're going out of context. I was saying "PC exclusives that are going multiplatform now", and was quoting that we are still getting all of those ex-PC exclusive and NOW multiplatform so that doesnt mean it kills PC gaming in any way. Hence after that I keep quoting "some of the Console exclusives" right after this line.

when i say "for PC only" it actually means that, games that are only on the PC that make someone like me want to buy a gaming PC just to play that, eg Crysis 1 or warcraft, games that force gamers to buy a gaming PC just for that. (lol).

Diablo 3, Starcraft II, Command And Conquer 4.

Games are a personal preference, people who like RTS and who like FPS will still buy a PC. Thats why so many people on Pakgamers have pretty decent gaming PCs even with consoles! Wow! They must be stupid to buy a PC eh ? You can go ask them why they have a PC even though they have a console.

you can't even play tales of vesperia on PC dude, and nomad considers that the best jrpg of the current gen, and nomad's the freaking PC advocate king here lol

You wont get Diablo 3 ... Its considered one of the best RPGs of ALL TIME! The Diablo series is something much better than Tales of Vesperia. You cant start quoting personal game preferences to show "Ohhh looook you wont get this ohhh nooes". Nomad has had a X360 wayyyy before you, back in your anti-xbox days ... yet he still has a PC. Something must have made him get it ... and others here too. Some of the top "PC advocates" here have the X360 and the PS3 too long time before you got it! There must be a reason why they think the PC is still alive and well worht investing in for gaming.

... you can count games that are ONLY ON PC on your finger tips

Games only on PC on your finger tips ? Im amazed at your ignorance. Just because YOU dont know them ... doesnt mean they dont exist.

 

[Kane]

I think its a bit offtopic but the only rts i have ever played on console was LOD and i was forced by xbox controls to quit the game .I admit that somehow we can play fps on console but RTS...........

 

[Chandoo]

Better graphics does make games better and more desirable. Saying better graphics dont mean anything is just stupid ... simply stupid!

yeah, that's totally why no one plays the 360/PS3 versions of COD4/5 and the PC versions are all the world plays and the PC versions of all the multiplatform games break all the charts.

wait .. what ? lol

Sure, it probably means "something", a point for the PC gamers to gloat about, but that doesn't really take anything away from the console versions, you don't see reviews discussing the PC version of multiplatform games running at some higher resolution and giving it more marks because of that.

do you ?

If better graphics didnt matter, you would have not seen any console gamer keep a gaming PC which is upgraded for much higher graphics.

I don't think i know any such console gamer, shyber was a PC gamer first then he bought the consoles, Nomad's the same, even YOU a PC gamer are seriously considering a console.

so it's working the other way around actually, PC gamers are buying consoles.

You're going out of context. I was saying "PC exclusives that are going multiplatform now", and was quoting that we are still getting all of those ex-PC exclusive and NOW multiplatform. Hence after that I keep quoting "some of the Console exclusives" right after this line.

that's also another one of my points, PC is still "keeping" it's franchise exclusives, but those franchise exclusives are coming to the consoles now as well, this includes a lot of notable games that were used to hype PC gaming before, Battlefield 1942's sequel is a console exclusive, Crysis is coming to console, Operation Flashpoint etc etc.

where as comparitively the ratio of "console games that are going to PC too" is a lot less.

Diablo 3, Starcraft II, Command And Conquer 4.

Games are a personal preference, people who like RTS and who like FPS will still buy a PC. Thats why so many people on Pakgamers have pretty decent gaming PCs even with consoles! Wow! They must be stupid to buy a PC eh ? You can go ask them why they have a PC even though they have a console.

like i said, count 'em on your fingertips.

1/ diablo, 2/starcraft, 3/ CnC4 (which i highly doubt will remain PC exclusive before it's release), name a few more please ?

people who like RTS and who like FPS will still buy a PC

ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahaha

2001 called, wanted to tell you that FPS's are a main-stream genre on consoles now. Seriously, you really think more people are going to play Modern Warfare 2 on the PC compared to the 360 ? or even the PS3 ?

do names like Killzone, Halo (lol) ring a bell ? lol

You wont get Diablo 3 ... Its considered one of the best RPGs of ALL TIME! The Diablo series is something much better than Tales of Vesperia. You cant start quoting personal game preferences to show "Ohhh looook you wont get this ohhh nooes". Nomad has had a X360 wayyyy before you, back in your anti-xbox days ... yet he still has a PC. Something must have made him get it ... hmm! I wonder .. you just said there is only very little left. Well that little is still working

how do you know diablo is better than vesperia ? have you played vesperia ? i don't think so, i on the other hand have played both the diablo games AND vesperia, hence my opinion on the subject is a lot higher valued than yours . Still, the internet reviews for both the games aren't that far apart.

but personal preference is still there i agree, my point was to highlight that even the most highest level of PC advocates prefer console gaming for some (or the most) part. See, Nomad's favorite game of all time.

 

[Kane]

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2001 called, wanted to tell you that FPS's are a main-stream genre on consoles now. Seriously, you really think more people are going to play Modern Warfare 2 on the PC compared to the 360 ? or even the PS3 ?

Definitley and thats because of our lovely mouse and extra frames per seceond which gives us ultimate control on fps!

 

[Chandoo]

let me lay some truth down on you ..


http://www.joystiq.com/2009/05/26/call-of-duty-4-reaches-13-million-players-on-xbox-live/


There are more players who play Call of Duty 4 Online on the xbox 360 ALONE, then the total number of World of Warcraft players.

do you really think more PC people play COD4 than WoW ?

No, i don't think so.

So, no, i don't think there's any chance that more PC people will play modern warfare 2 compared to 360 people.

 

[Kane]

The second reason has been mentioned by a few gaming blogs already -- it's surpassed the total number of World of Warcraft players. Impressive? Well, yes -- though nobody is forced to subscribe to Call of Duty 4. As far as pure, lucrative retention is concerned, we think WoW still takes the cake.


Mentioned by the few GAMING BLOGS(did i spelled right) not any official thing(like Ea said) next day something else will be on blogs so will u believe!


Now coming to ur Now coming to ur xbox live thin i myself have 12 profiles so in COD4 thinks me=12.So our country have 18 crores of poulation at least some no. are those children who play cod4 on xbox 360.So to save their money one will make two profiles on avrage so how many imposter profiles are thier every child = 2 in the eyes of actvision.You know these are recession times!:wink2:




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This calculation is as unbalanced as the sale of original games!
U and i better know how deep roots this piracy have on the globe!

 

[Chandoo]

first off, i highly doubt you have 12 xbox live ID's since one console is restricted to 3 trials.

secondly, we all know there are free WoW servers as well.

thirdly, WoW has free trials for first-timers as well, just like xbox live.

fourhly, majority of those xbox live players are american ID's since the details were revealed on Major Nelson's podcast, which is US based.

fifthly, the number didn't come from "just any blog", it was revealed by Activision reps themselves, listen to that podcast here.

http://cod5.strategyinformer.com/news/21-robert-bowling-on-podcast.html

This calculation is as unbalanced as the sale of original games!
U and i better know how deep roots this piracy have on the globe!

pirated copies don't count towards actual sales, so when activision say they've sold over 10 million copies of their game, it doesn't include the cheap 100 rs copies we buy lol, it's talking about the full priced 60$ copies.



also, please edit your older posts, don't go on making new posts with just one line and the rest of the last post copy pasted.

 

[Sire Ahsan]

1/ diablo, 2/starcraft, 3/ CnC4 (which i highly doubt will remain PC exclusive before it's release), name a few more please ?

Empire total war, CoH, Witcher, Stalker, warhammer, demigod, supreme commander 2, warcraft, empire earth 3, sins of solar empire ... lots more really ... I think this is enough for you for now. Other games you quote as ex-pc exclusives like Civilziation are series and you miss out on around 3-5 titles that are PC exclusive. Ek alag say consoles ka port huwa ... not allll the expansions etc.

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2001 called, wanted to tell you that FPS's are a main-stream genre on consoles now. Seriously, you really think more people are going to play Modern Warfare 2 on the PC compared to the 360 ? or even the PS3 ?

do names like Killzone, Halo (lol) ring a bell ? lol

People who like FPS ... ask any owner of a console + PC ... they will tell you they prefer playing FPS on the PC. I said people who prefer RTS and FPS ... both of which come on the consoles, but are simply better to play on the PC. Denying this wont change the fact that it is so, and people with consoles and PC will tell you the same. FPS are better played on the mouse ... enough said.

where as comparitively the ratio of "console games that are going to PC too" is a lot less.

In the numbers maybe yes, but when the most hyped up console games goes to PCs ... like RE, DMC, MGS, SFIV ... there really is a balance in the comparision ... on quality if not quantity.

you don't see reviews discussing the PC version of multiplatform games running at some higher resolution and giving it more marks because of that.

do you ?

They commend the superior graphics. They do comparisions.

but personal preference is still there i agree, my point was to highlight that even the most highest level of PC advocates prefer console gaming for some (or the most) part. See, Nomad's favorite game of all time.

So they like consoles. Still they have PCs. That might ring a bell to you that maybe PCs are good for gaming as well as consoles and your PC dying claim is false ? There are LOADS of people who own both PCs (which they have upgraded after 2006, when consoles came) and consoles. They would have never had a PC had it been dying.

There are more players who play Call of Duty 4 Online on the xbox 360 ALONE, then the total number of World of Warcraft players.

OFFICIALY! Anyone who plays online, even with a pirated copy of CoD4 on X360, or with more than one ID, gets registered in that count.

In World Of Warcraft or any other PC game for that matter, such a thing doesnt happen for pirates. And we all know that piracy is way way way big on PC and I would say 60%+ PC gamers use pirated games online. Maybe 75%+

CoD4 kay Pakistan main PC par kitnay players hain ? There are around 10 clans of CoD4, some with over 15 players, and then the normal CoD4 players ... I doubt the same amount of CoD4 onlien players exist on the X360.

 

[Kane]

first off, i highly doubt you have 12 xbox live ID's since one console is restricted to 3 trials.

secondly, we all know there are free WoW servers as well.

thirdly, WoW has free trials for first-timers as well, just like xbox live.

fourhly, majority of those xbox live players are american ID's since the details were revealed on Major Nelson's podcast, which is US based.

fifthly, the number didn't come from "just any blog", it was revealed by Activision reps themselves, listen to that podcast here.

http://cod5.strategyinformer.com/news/21-robert-bowling-on-podcast.html
pirated copies don't count towards actual sales, so when activision say they've sold over 10 million copies of their game, it doesn't include the cheap 100 rs copies we buy lol, it's talking about the full priced 60$ copies.



also, please edit your older posts, don't go on making new posts with just one line and the rest of the last post copy pasted.

I can upload the pic of my profile menu then u will see the next wonder of the world abrakadabra.................

and 2ndly u are saying majority have american ids
so why would anybody make an american id if he is living in UK.if so its a bannable offense like piracy its cleary stated in their license of xbox live.
ur answer is in ur own question!




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