[Aurora] Is PC gaming dying?
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Hahaha Didn't expect this from you either. This can be counted as trolling right? Not playing the game itself and commenting on it. As far as the critics are concerned, Crysis is a hit USUF. Any game that reaches '90' is. If you're gonna nit pick on '91' game without playing it, its fair for me to do so for a '94' game as well right? But you don't like that....so thats how one-sided your argument is here.
I don't regard playing late as lagging behind as much as not having to play it at all. So make of it what you will. But I'd rather play a true 1080p/60fps version of a game at my disposal than than a crippled 720p/30fps on day 1 release on a console. If you think otherwise, then its upto you. Everyone has their own train of thought.
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Oh dear - what's the matter with everyone here?!
I'll summarize my query and focus them to necro and Viper. Just tell me something, do you guys disagree that PC is on a downward curve these days?
I'll summarize my query and focus them to necro and Viper. Just tell me something, do you guys disagree that PC is on a downward curve these days?
PC always has been the platform that most of the developers look last on and it hasn't been any better even now. Any PC gamer who says otherwise is just blinded by fanboyism.
Your question is not according to the topic.
Dying =/= Downward Curve
This topic is about PC gaming dying. It is stupid to even think that PC gaming is going to die. And still we have many people here trying to prove it. You should ask a simple YES/NO question from them (Is PC gaming going to die). Maybe that will get us rid of this useless debate.
Told you to close the thread
Getting sick of this debate really....downward curve != dying...anyway....
No I do not disagree, if you take into account the lack of exclusives.
Yes I disagree, considering the overall number of superior multiplatform games we see on PC every year.
@ Shyber
Since you are the only person here being very nice and polite to everyone, I think I should answer your query. Ok... At first (couple of years back) when X360 released I also got depressed by looking at all those articles on google that PC gaming is going to die or it is not doing any good and so on... X360 also gained a lot of exclusives in the start as well.
But with time I realized that this is only hype/propaganda being created to dump PC gaming because serious business is happening here, PC only is being targeted most because the revenues generated by PC only go to the developers and not in the pockets of individual companies like Microsoft/Sony or say very less part of it goes in the pocket of Microsoft considering PC gamers buy Microsoft's OS. Most of the PC gamers are still using Win XP as their gamer OS so very small share of money goes to Microsoft's so they don't consider it much of a business now as they have bigger investment in console.
They are still working on OS and DirectX because they want to remain in PC platform as well because of the inherent nature of PC gaming as an open platform serves it well.
Regarding your query about down curve of PC gaming, I disagree because there are many major releases every year (despite of all the rumors and official stories), exclusives releases every year (RTS or other, not debating on that), more and more money is being spent on PC gamer gear/hardware every year which means more gamer PCs are being created and not everyone is a pirate like us. New technologies being invented for PC. MMOs generate tremendous amount of revenues like WoW, it has 11.5 million subscribers in Dec 2008. More and more digital distribution services are being made for PC and since Microsoft only poke their nose where there is money it is a prove that there is a lot of money in digital distribution service that is why Microsoft is making their way in that area by creating Games on Demand for Windows digital distribution service like steam. And who knows if Microsoft wants to make their DDS successful they throw Fable 2, Halo 3 and some other exclusive titles on their DDS only.
Looking at the above mentioned points I say PC gaming is doing just fine and in healthy state. It is no where near dying or so, occasional hits and back offs happen because it has no official support from anyone.
@ USUF
@ Ahsan
Codemasters are famous for adopting new technologies as soon as they got released like they did that in Dirt, Grid and now with Dirt 2 so its a worthy title, I enjoy every bit of it even if there are lesser tracks or cars, I have life like textures on those few cars that makes me very happy.
From the beginning I am saying its good "you have a console" you can play all the titles you like (I don't object) but your shift does not prove "PC gaming is doing bad" either and if you are thinking like that then.... what I say its a pity...
I say I am satisfied with what I have, PC games are shifting from traditional DRM ways to prevent piracy and adopting new creative ways of reducing piracy like C&C 4. To play this RTS you have to remain online always like you do in MMOs. Rather rejecting this new change I accept it and who knows maybe I buy this game from Steam rather than getting a console. It does not mean I have something against consoles or I hate them, no obviously not, but I have seen console games running on my friends consoles and I don't like them from any angle (their controls, their graphics, their textures and resolution) each and everything seems very limited or confined to hardware limits.
Or maybe you can say I am spoiled by PC's superior quality, your call.
1, UC 2
2, KillZone 2
and you are already calling them the biggest titles... And if they are the biggest, they are so from console perspective not from PCs. PC have its own biggest titles and they are much older and famous than these.
Dragon Age Origins is a big seller for PC too, don't know the exact number of sales because they are not released and I am no false claimer like you but if you look at steam's website its still in the top seller list.
Infinity Ward already said that MW2 sold very well on PC (despite the messed up multi player according to you) and in the first week of release it surpassed the first week sales of COD 4, should I post you the link...
Assassins Creed 2 is coming on PC, this alone is enough to justify good sales of first one.
And if you just want to ignore Microsoft's doing blindly then do so... after all you have Microsoft's console... you'll support it no doubt. But I already posted a link that its paying developers to make exclusives or purchasing studios like Lionhead to do the same. Which means it is purposely dumping PC gaming or going against it that is why I used the word "afraid of PC gaming".
Assalamoalikum,
Since you are the only person here being very nice and polite to everyone, I think I should answer your query. Ok... At first (couple of years back) when X360 released I also got depressed by looking at all those articles on google that PC gaming is going to die or it is not doing any good and so on... X360 also gained a lot of exclusives in the start as well.
But with time I realized that this is only hype/propaganda being created to dump PC gaming because serious business is happening here, PC only is being targeted most because the revenues generated by PC only go to the developers and not in the pockets of individual companies like Microsoft/Sony or say very less part of it goes in the pocket of Microsoft considering PC gamers buy Microsoft's OS. Most of the PC gamers are still using Win XP as their gamer OS so very small share of money goes to Microsoft's so they don't consider it much of a business now as they have bigger investment in console.
They are still working on OS and DirectX because they want to remain in PC platform as well because of the inherent nature of PC gaming as an open platform serves it well.
Regarding your query about down curve of PC gaming, I disagree because there are many major releases every year (despite of all the rumors and official stories), exclusives releases every year (RTS or other, not debating on that), more and more money is being spent on PC gamer gear/hardware every year which means more gamer PCs are being created and not everyone is a pirate like us. New technologies being invented for PC. MMOs generate tremendous amount of revenues like WoW, it has 11.5 million subscribers in Dec 2008. More and more digital distribution services are being made for PC and since Microsoft only poke their nose where there is money it is a prove that there is a lot of money in digital distribution service that is why Microsoft is making their way in that area by creating Games on Demand for Windows digital distribution service like steam. And who knows if Microsoft wants to make their DDS successful they throw Fable 2, Halo 3 and some other exclusive titles on their DDS only.
Looking at the above mentioned points I say PC gaming is doing just fine and in healthy state. It is no where near dying or so, occasional hits and back offs happen because it has no official support from anyone.
@ USUF
LOL !!! my advice is that you better not see Crysis running on a high end PC because after looking that you will realize how you consolers are behind a generation in terms of technology and better game play. And if you haven't played a game then you should not create self made claims about it. Like I have not played Forza 3 or GT5 (not even seen them) therefore I say I don't care about them but I don't say some thing like they are tech demo, they have Mediocre gameplay or something like that.
Not taking advantage of superior gameplay, graphics and controls when you have a chance too is being arrogant too, playing it earlier with lesser quality is like a rat race, just wait for AC 2 for example and see how better it will be in terms of quality, graphics, textures, controls and game play, then you'll understand.
@ Ahsan
GTR is the most famous PC racing simulator from years, even its old I play and still enjoy that and eventually they make a new title too. Good games take time to develop.
Codemasters are famous for adopting new technologies as soon as they got released like they did that in Dirt, Grid and now with Dirt 2 so its a worthy title, I enjoy every bit of it even if there are lesser tracks or cars, I have life like textures on those few cars
that makes me very happy.From the beginning I am saying its good "you have a console" you can play all the titles you like (I don't object) but your shift does not prove "PC gaming is doing bad" either and if you are thinking like that then.... what I say its a pity...
I say I am satisfied with what I have, PC games are shifting from traditional DRM ways to prevent piracy and adopting new creative ways of reducing piracy like C&C 4. To play this RTS you have to remain online always like you do in MMOs. Rather rejecting this new change I accept it and who knows maybe I buy this game from Steam rather than getting a console. It does not mean I have something against consoles or I hate them, no obviously not, but I have seen console games running on my friends consoles and I don't like them from any angle (their controls, their graphics, their textures and resolution) each and everything seems very limited or confined to hardware limits.
Or maybe you can say I am spoiled by PC's superior quality, your call.
Then you should also know that a PC gamer prefers superior quality and game play above all otherwise why the crapped version of Resident Evil 4 didn't succeeded on PC.... because it was a crap console port with console like graphics and controls.
Most of them just released a while back, like:
1, UC 2
2, KillZone 2
and you are already calling them the biggest titles... And if they are the biggest, they are so from console perspective not from PCs. PC have its own biggest titles and they are much older and famous than these.
Here we are talking about PC only not consoles I should remind you. And how convenient of you (sarcasm) to judge the online digital sales by just thinking that they are going to make total sales 100 million. Those sale numbers are not released so don't make false claims.
Dragon Age Origins is a big seller for PC too, don't know the exact number of sales because they are not released and I am no false claimer like you but if you look at steam's website its still in the top seller list.
Infinity Ward already said that MW2 sold very well on PC (despite the messed up multi player according to you) and in the first week of release it surpassed the first week sales of COD 4, should I post you the link...
Assassins Creed 2 is coming on PC, this alone is enough to justify good sales of first one.
And if you just want to ignore Microsoft's doing blindly then do so... after all you have Microsoft's console... you'll support it no doubt. But I already posted a link that its paying developers to make exclusives or purchasing studios like Lionhead to do the same. Which means it is purposely dumping PC gaming or going against it that is why I used the word "afraid of PC gaming".
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you not caring about them doesn't make them any less good. And thats called trolling lol
Yeah, its my fault that i don't have the ability to flush out money to pay for all that stuff lol. Great analogy btw!
Quality will be the same...you won't get a better story than the console version. The only advantage the PC has are insane amount of resolutions, Textures will be the same, so will be the controls and the gameplay.
You think every game that comes to the PC automatically has the best control scheme ever? No. Thats down to personal preference as i pointed out earlier...
You're literally wasting hours over writing all those walls of text which are mostly filled with YOUR opinions. You just can't force your opinions over the other, that debate will be endless since you'll come up with something else YOU like to counter any argument put fourth by someone else...If YOU can wait for weeks/months just to get a game with better resolution than the version played by the console owners then thats YOUR choice. Most PC owners (as pointed out by Ahsan) are either a bit annoyed or downright hate this fact.
Sure the end result for PC gamers is better resolution but thats pretty much it right? I mean the story doesn't get changed, the gameplay stays the same and so does the textures and the same controls....For example its not like the console version will lack a certain move/action that the PC version will have right?
And even though i sound/act like a 360 fanboy, i DO agree with the fact that some of the PS3 first party games are teh shit! (in a good way). You just can't deny something which is good...And if you had played some of the exclusives that the consoles have to offer you'd know...
Sadly all of your posts seem to suggest that either you've never played any "Good" Xbox 360 or PS3 exclusive or may be you have and you hated them all (Which i seriously cannot believe)
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Viper, even though you're raising some valid points but the fact that you're not able to appreciate how good GT5, Forza3, FFXIII, Killzone2, Uncharted2, etc really are makes it considerably difficult for me to make you realize what I'm arguing. I mean you really need to at least play those games to make a valid opinion out of them. The fact that you're not respecting those games is considerably annoying for me.
All of the biggest games this year are on consoles and most of them are not on PC. PC centric development, focus and design of games is subsiding. The sheer power of PCs can make all multiplats look considerably better (not 1000 times, I hope it was a deliberate exaggeration) but that can vary. For PCs that are equal in cost to consoles the difference is lesser and on 720p HDTVS (with max 768 vertical pixels) which are the most common form of HDTVS that HD console gamers use, higher res difference/advantage is even less considerable and despite being better on PC, the console versions of games are mostly quite polished, complete and glitch free.
Even the hardware nerd Carmack is compensating game design - specially his quirk with the limited size of a DVD - to cater the lower spec consoles - much change from the time when he used to heavily influence graphics hardware designs. Almost all major multiplat releases are delayed on PC (considerably) and as the trend continues, we can see f-ups like infinity ward did with MW2.
I agree that console manufacturers, Sony MS and Nintendo have got something to do with the vibe going on that PC gaming is dying but if nothing, it has definitely managed to push PC as a gaming platform into the back row for gamers (in general). Your specific tastes might be catered by PC gaming alone but that's not the case with many people.
My point is that consoles have limited lives and no matter what Nintendo/MS and Sony do, eventualy devs will want to push the envelop higher with the next gen. I personally find PC gaming on a decline, on route to dying but looking back at history I know that it's gonna change and it's gonna be hot again pretty soon.
I want my games on PC. I want them releasing simultaneously with consoles.
All of the biggest games this year are on consoles and most of them are not on PC. PC centric development, focus and design of games is subsiding. The sheer power of PCs can make all multiplats look considerably better (not 1000 times, I hope it was a deliberate exaggeration) but that can vary. For PCs that are equal in cost to consoles the difference is lesser and on 720p HDTVS (with max 768 vertical pixels) which are the most common form of HDTVS that HD console gamers use, higher res difference/advantage is even less considerable and despite being better on PC, the console versions of games are mostly quite polished, complete and glitch free.
Even the hardware nerd Carmack is compensating game design - specially his quirk with the limited size of a DVD - to cater the lower spec consoles - much change from the time when he used to heavily influence graphics hardware designs. Almost all major multiplat releases are delayed on PC (considerably) and as the trend continues, we can see f-ups like infinity ward did with MW2.
I agree that console manufacturers, Sony MS and Nintendo have got something to do with the vibe going on that PC gaming is dying but if nothing, it has definitely managed to push PC as a gaming platform into the back row for gamers (in general). Your specific tastes might be catered by PC gaming alone but that's not the case with many people.
My point is that consoles have limited lives and no matter what Nintendo/MS and Sony do, eventualy devs will want to push the envelop higher with the next gen. I personally find PC gaming on a decline, on route to dying but looking back at history I know that it's gonna change and it's gonna be hot again pretty soon.
I want my games on PC. I want them releasing simultaneously with consoles.
@ Chandoo
Yep this means I can write good reviews too. But one thing ! does PG has limited storage ? and you are concerned that my posts will fill it ? /joking.
@ Nomad
This is not my personal battle against anyone, but seriously all that stupidity of PC gaming is dying or not doing good should be stopped now as generations after generations of console pass on but PC stands still. Every new generation of consoles bring new rumors and propaganda against PC, and some also shook PC platform but its not going any where. And what do you mean by my arguments doing more harm ? Maybe I am making my way in bad books of few people but that's what other people are doing as well they are coming my bad books. So you should stop them as well.
@ Shyber
Like you something is also annoying me, that people are just using those titles to define or justify the death of PC gaming or say bad state of PC gaming. They are simply ignoring all the good points (excluding Ahsan because he agrees on some superior points). All the points I am mentioning that PC gaming has changed a lot and evolved from yesterday's PC gaming, the technological advancements (Like Nvidia's 3d vision, Phyx, ATI's eyefinity, the new hardware, the software technologies like (DirectX 10, 10.1, 11, Unreal Development Kit for hobbyist and developers), Digital Distribution Services and so on...
They all point out to the next generation of PC gaming but some guys just bring those titles over and over and ignore everything else.
Regarding your difference between PC and Console I think you are just overlooking that, after almost every multiplat release a new article pops up on google comparing PC vs X360 vs PS3 and PC is superior every where, just try googling for Mass Effect PC vs X360 or MW2 PC vs X360 and you'll find a lot.
And what you just said... Glitch free ? lol I also visit websites out there and see many patches being released for consoles, some games cause trouble in getting good frames while others lack the smooth game play and suffers from stuttering... to name a few problems.
Like you I say these are the last few years of X360's and PS3's life and that is why they (the companies) are doing what they think best to make most out of their life, neither you nor me can do anything about it but this does not mean we just close our eyes and don't look at what those companies are doing like most of the guys doing here.
Sooner or later the piracy problem on PC will also vanish, considering the new creative ways of fighting piracy. What will you do then ? Shift on console permanently to pirate games there or start accepting the change and buying PC games ? If you shift on consoles then there is simply no point on complaining about piracy or if you stay on PC then its good for PC platform.
@ USUF
NOTE: Please increase your knowledge about textures and resolution and how it works better on PC.
If I am wasting hours so do you, If I am presenting my opinions so do you, and If I didn't played console games you also didn't played PC games, at least I know how games look on consoles while you even don't know that lol. And I am not imposing my opinions, stay with your console... I am not saying you to come to PC. Btw Ahsan don't represent masses, he is one gamer like me, you, necro and shyber... nothing special there.
@ Ahsan
Just another detail to add. While you claimed yourself (without any analysis) that digital distribution can make 50 millions that's it, let me reveal one more thing for you. Steam only has 20 million accounts of PC gamers let aside other distribution services.
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=26367
Now lets say only 10 million gamers purchased one game worth 40$. How much that will make ?
Yep this means I can write good reviews too. But one thing ! does PG has limited storage ? and you are concerned that my posts will fill it ? /joking.
@ Nomad
Look bro I am only trying to point out positive aspects of PC as a gaming platform, most of the companies that support PC like the ones in PCGA also say the same about PC, now you go and stop them as well since they are doing more harm than good according to you.
This is not my personal battle against anyone, but seriously all that stupidity of PC gaming is dying or not doing good should be stopped now as generations after generations of console pass on but PC stands still. Every new generation of consoles bring new rumors and propaganda against PC, and some also shook PC platform but its not going any where. And what do you mean by my arguments doing more harm ? Maybe I am making my way in bad books of few people but that's what other people are doing as well they are coming my bad books. So you should stop them as well.
@ Shyber
I appreciate that you do at least consider few of my points as valid unlike some other people here. Regarding the titles you mentioned, I play them when I get a console for now I don't feel the urge to get a console and seriously I don't mean any disrespect for those titles, they are good titles I know. They have taken good scores like 9.0 and 9.5 I agree. But all I can say is that I don't care for them since I have not seen them with my own eyes and experienced them, I am not a person who cry for something that is not in my reach for now. I know they are out and available so there is no panic I'll get them when I feel bored from PC gaming by getting a console for now I am not bored from PC gaming as there are many many titles to play. All fans of those games can play them on consoles (I don't object, and I am happy for them) that's all the respect I can give to those titles. My opinion about them is neutral for the time being I didn't said them bad, I didn't said them good.
Like you something is also annoying me, that people are just using those titles to define or justify the death of PC gaming or say bad state of PC gaming. They are simply ignoring all the good points (excluding Ahsan because he agrees on some superior points). All the points I am mentioning that PC gaming has changed a lot and evolved from yesterday's PC gaming, the technological advancements (Like Nvidia's 3d vision, Phyx, ATI's eyefinity, the new hardware, the software technologies like (DirectX 10, 10.1, 11, Unreal Development Kit for hobbyist and developers), Digital Distribution Services and so on...
They all point out to the next generation of PC gaming but some guys just bring those titles over and over and ignore everything else.
Regarding your difference between PC and Console I think you are just overlooking that, after almost every multiplat release a new article pops up on google comparing PC vs X360 vs PS3 and PC is superior every where, just try googling for Mass Effect PC vs X360 or MW2 PC vs X360 and you'll find a lot.
And what you just said... Glitch free ? lol I also visit websites out there and see many patches being released for consoles, some games cause trouble in getting good frames while others lack the smooth game play and suffers from stuttering... to name a few problems.
Like you I say these are the last few years of X360's and PS3's life and that is why they (the companies) are doing what they think best to make most out of their life, neither you nor me can do anything about it but this does not mean we just close our eyes and don't look at what those companies are doing like most of the guys doing here.
Sooner or later the piracy problem on PC will also vanish, considering the new creative ways of fighting piracy. What will you do then ? Shift on console permanently to pirate games there or start accepting the change and buying PC games ? If you shift on consoles then there is simply no point on complaining about piracy or if you stay on PC then its good for PC platform.
@ USUF
Just keep it coming, this is the second time you are making a false claim. "I don't care" means I "myself" don't want them as a PC gamer for the moment I am not calling them Mediocre, tech demo or some other foolish stuff.
Yes that is what I am saying from the beginning that not everyone can afford a decent gaming PC or not every one's PC is capable of running games, that is why PC has smaller fan base unlike consoles.
Quality will not be same (If you have played the PC version of AC 1), Story remains same... agreed. PC has much greater resolution, yes and high quality textures will be applied because high quality textures are required for insane resolutions. Controls will be better with mouse and keyboard (much higher precision no doubt about it) and some extra stuff like in AC 1 will all be combined for a better game play lol.
NOTE: Please increase your knowledge about textures and resolution and how it works better on PC.
If I am wasting hours so do you, If I am presenting my opinions so do you, and If I didn't played console games you also didn't played PC games, at least I know how games look on consoles while you even don't know that lol. And I am not imposing my opinions, stay with your console... I am not saying you to come to PC. Btw Ahsan don't represent masses, he is one gamer like me, you, necro and shyber... nothing special there.
@ Ahsan
Just another detail to add. While you claimed yourself (without any analysis) that digital distribution can make 50 millions that's it, let me reveal one more thing for you. Steam only has 20 million accounts of PC gamers let aside other distribution services.
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=26367
Now lets say only 10 million gamers purchased one game worth 40$. How much that will make ?
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And afterall .. you are using a PC with a Microsoft Operating System and using Microsofts DirectX for graphics.
That does NOT justify getting games late, or series that were coming on the PC being abandoned. Considering console crap ports ... GTA ring a bell ?
GTR is a very good racer, but it does not come close to Forza or Gran Turismo ... even if you consider the older Gran Turismo since GTR2 and GTR is old. GTR has very few number of cars and tracks compared to what Gran Turismo etc. offers ... like I said, no racing game on PC matches GT or Forza. In other words ... PC lacks a proper simulator.
No. I judged the total online sales as equal to the total media sales ... an approximation since no actual figure is given. Doubled the figure ... Im pretty sure even the 100m figure is over done.
Im talking about consoles because IF you talk about sale number, you got to compare it to make any sense. A 51.7m figure for the PC industry compared with the same from ONE game shows how small the PC Gaming market sales are compared to the over GAMING MARKET (that would contain consoles, get it ? )
This is getting useless. Your ignorance and denial is being pointed out by everyone here ... even Shyber.
Actually, the consoles DONT die, they get new 'upgrade'.
If a console gets outdated, it gets a successor ... like PlayStation > Playstation 2 > PlayStation 3.
PCs go through a similar cycle for hardware. There comes a time your DX 8.1 cards get useless (like right now, they are from same era as PlayStation 2) ... and there will be a time DX 9 will be phased out and DX10/11 will be what you need to game.
A generation of consoles pass, and so does a generation of PC hardware ( ... based on both processor architecture, and DirectX ... the old Pentium 4 Netburst or AMD Athlon64 single cores and DX8.1 cards like the Geforce Ti 4xxx series are now useless if you want to play anything latest)
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Hahah lol ... not die in that sense. Waise my HIS HD4670 gave up on me within an year as well ...
@Black Viper
PC gaming was never dying but its more like in a comatose state for 10 freakin years. Same old delays,consoles ports,developers stripping off stuff(cod mw2) etc etc. So its more like PC gaming isn't going any further rather then dying.
PC gaming was never dying but its more like in a comatose state for 10 freakin years. Same old delays,consoles ports,developers stripping off stuff(cod mw2) etc etc. So its more like PC gaming isn't going any further rather then dying.
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