[Aurora] Is PC gaming dying?

[Radical]

PLUS PeeeC Online is absolutely FREE! like PSN if you buy original game like on PS3 =P, PeeeC is soo much like PS3 lol, Powerful & Awesome =D

 

[BeLoShI]

That would result in PC dominating (brutally raping) XBL/PSN. Nobody is that cruel

One Word! Brilliant !

Radical :wink2: But to make this understand we need to bash our own heads to wall first.

So far for the console drones sorry the respected console owner which includes me too. PeeCee has its own domain and it has its own unique experience. W+M1 Sometimes pawn many.

 

[Sire Ahsan]

Why don't you guys discuss something like XBL/PSN vs Pc online internationally lol (no LAN)

PC > XBL/PSN anyday ... or more like PC > PSN > XBL (dedicated servers over anything like party chat blah blah blah)

 

[umar1986]

PC > XBL/PSN anyday ... or more like PC > PSN > XBL (dedicated servers over anything like party chat blah blah blah)

Dude dedicated server per party tu nahin hoti aap kon say servers per khailtay hain bahi.please pass justified comments.

 

[Black Viper]

@ Ahsan

And afterall .. you are using a PC with a Microsoft Operating System and using Microsofts DirectX for graphics.

Now you are bringing kid like stuff here lol, why I am using Microsoft's technologies ? because they are the only way to run games simple... A similar question to you if PC gaming is on verge of death or taken back seat then why are you willing to get such an expensive PC again (i3 and GT3xx series), just get a PS3 instead of it.

The question is where Microsoft is focusing at the moment ?.... It is X360.

That does NOT justify getting games late, or series that were coming on the PC being abandoned. Considering console crap ports ... GTA ring a bell ?

Better quality, extra content justify getting games late (Piracy is also a factor here but not sole factor). Console companies paying developers to abandon series that were coming on the PC or paying them to make timed exclusives. GTA 4 was way way better than RE 4 and worked well on my PC, if your PC cannot run it than its not my fault.

GTR is a very good racer, but it does not come close to Forza or Gran Turismo ... even if you consider the older Gran Turismo since GTR2 and GTR is old. GTR has very few number of cars and tracks compared to what Gran Turismo etc. offers ... like I said, no racing game on PC matches GT or Forza. In other words ... PC lacks a proper simulator.

Seriously agar "baal ki khaal nikaal thay raho gay toh kabi khush nahi ho gay". And I found some simulators that are exclusively coming on PC but until I get full information about them I am not posting them here. Just keep your fingers crossed :wink2: your arguments are getting weaker post by post.

No. I judged the total online sales as equal to the total media sales ... an approximation since no actual figure is given. Doubled the figure ... Im pretty sure even the 100m figure is over done.

Im talking about consoles because IF you talk about sale number, you got to compare it to make any sense. A 51.7m figure for the PC industry compared with the same from ONE game shows how small the PC Gaming market sales are compared to the over GAMING MARKET (that would contain consoles, get it ? )

This is getting useless. Your ignorance and denial is being pointed out by everyone here ... even Shyber.

Yes but I posted monthly sales and you are comparing them to over all sales of some games on consoles, what a comparison lol.

And 100 million is not over done dude, I say 100 million is under done. Stop underestimating a platform which you have left out of some frustration. I mentioned already that Steam only has 20 million accounts of PC gamers, even if we ignore 10 million (for your sake) and take into account remaining 10 million, they alone can generate tremendous amount of revenue.

Shyber also agree with me on some points (keep that in mind), you just think yourself as the last hope of PC gaming and still thinking that if you left means everything has gone fubar on PC gaming. Get over it...

Actually, the consoles DONT die, they get new 'upgrade'.

If a console gets outdated, it gets a successor ... like PlayStation > Playstation 2 > PlayStation 3.

PCs go through a similar cycle for hardware. There comes a time your DX 8.1 cards get useless (like right now, they are from same era as PlayStation 2) ... and there will be a time DX 9 will be phased out and DX10/11 will be what you need to game.

A generation of consoles pass, and so does a generation of PC hardware ( ... based on both processor architecture, and DirectX ... the old Pentium 4 Netburst or AMD Athlon64 single cores and DX8.1 cards like the Geforce Ti 4xxx series are now useless if you want to play anything latest)

Yes but with PC no standards are defined, it gets constant updates which makes it the most technologically advanced and versatile platform, it is open to everyone and anyone that is why its the best platform for modding. Consoles lack such advantages, with them standards are being defined and developers get restricted to limited possibilities. Consoles are defined in generations because once it gets outdated you need to get a whole new console, while in PC if it gets outdated you can focus on individual components to improve it and every new generation of consoles bring new rumors against PC but PC make it in the end... like Shyber said,

looking back at history I know that it's gonna change and it's gonna be hot again pretty soon.

By the way new news for you Ahsan...

1, Metal Gear Solid which was a PS3 exclusive title from some time is making its way to PC, Metal Gear Solid: Rising - a brand new title is announced for PC, X360 and PS3.

Similarly:

2, Final Fantasy XIV is also making its way to PC and PS3, this time X360 is ditched (don't worry its life), FF XIV is a MMO this time so first get a PC or PS3 then play this game online if you are willing to pay for it.

Like I play Runes of Magic, the base game is actually free but some additional cool stuff comes from money, I pay for such stuff occasionally.

And before I forget, Battlefield: Bad Company was a console exclusive title, now the sequel is coming to PC, just look at the progress of PC gaming. All you are doing is looking at negative side.

NOW WHO IS LIVING IN DENIAL ???

Honestly Ahsan from my very first post I am trying to make this thread look sensible, I am trying to summarize facts, figures and stories to answer "Is PC gaming dying ?" question, I am not arguing without reasons, and I try to bring new reasons every time I post unlike you who is repeatedly basing his opinions on very limited reasons. And every time you post you just bring that same stuff in a new packaging.

 

[Shyber]

But all I can say is that I don't care for them since I have not seen them with my own eyes and experienced them, I am not a person who cry for something that is not in my reach for now. I know they are out and available so there is no panic I'll get them when I feel bored from PC gaming by getting a console for now I am not bored from PC gaming as there are many many titles to play.

Ok, this is where it gets a wee bit problematic. See, for the gamers who've been through those games and for the gamers who've gone through these games AND adore PC gaming (like me), they can actually see and realize that PC is indeed being ignored. From a limited perspective of a PC only gamer, he might not feel it. But people who want everything will feel different

Like you something is also annoying me, that people are just using those titles to define or justify the death of PC gaming or say bad state of PC gaming. They are simply ignoring all the good points (excluding Ahsan because he agrees on some superior points). All the points I am mentioning that PC gaming has changed a lot and evolved from yesterday's PC gaming, the technological advancements (Like Nvidia's 3d vision, Phyx, ATI's eyefinity, the new hardware, the software technologies like (DirectX 10, 10.1, 11, Unreal Development Kit for hobbyist and developers), Digital Distribution Services and so on...

It actually doesn't end there. You're ignoring emulators quite too easily my friend. Access to the whole of retro library + PS1 + PS2 + Dreamcast + Gamecube plus even the friggin Wii (with Wiimote, yes) is something mind blowing. Then the mods and custom skins. For a gaming enthusiast, there's always a lot to do on PC but try to think from my perspective. I've got a PC AND a console. Assassin's Creed 2 gets released. I have access to it. I can play it. I know the superior version is due in 6 months or something. I also know other stuff like GOW3, FFXIII, Conviction and Alan Wake are due in 6 months. Right now, I'm done with MW2 and got nothing to play. Would I buy the game on console now? In my case YES. Without any regrets. Same thing happened with RE5, SF4 and GTA4.

About your game's list. You do realize that FF7, FF8 and FFXI were released on PC before too. MGS1 and MGS2 came to PC as well. And one can play ALL Final Fantasies on PC right now, and ALL MGSs (accept MGS4) on PC as well. It isn't the first time that a Battlfefield game is coming to PC either.

My belief that PC's have gone down is based on two pretty solid events. Crytek releasing an optimised for consoles CE2 as CE3 and John Carmack compensating game design to fit it on inferior hardware. Though I'll be damned if Valve anounces their next engine with Episode 3 *gulp* on it, Carmack demos idTech6 and Crytek shows a DX11 enhanced CE3 as this GDC.

If that happens, I swear I'll rename this thread and lock it.

 

[Necrokiller]

@Black Viper: Try to borrow a PS3 to check out the exclusives. I recommend you give them a shot, esp. Killzone 2 if you're a fan of shooters. There is plenty there to enjoy that even a PC gamer shouldn't miss out on (after all, we do love FPS). Resistance as well. Great merger of Doom/Half Life feel to the gameplay. Its upto you to decide if they're worthy of the price tag for a console or not, but they're definitely worth a 'rental'.

@Shyber:

Your case is slightly different. You don't find enough free time to play all games so I guess you either play the new sequels to your fav. franchises or the critically highly acclaimed titles out there that everyone makes it sound 'too hard to resist'.

From a limited perspective of a PC only gamer, he might not feel it. But people who want everything will feel different

And how many here in this debate are actually enjoying the best of everything that the gaming industry has to offer? Despite knowing that 'PS3 exclusive are teh shit', they act as fanboys. PS3 is nothing more than a PC to them.

It isn't the first time that a Battlfefield game is coming to PC either.

But last year Bad Company didn't. Next year it will. Would you call that a downward trend?

6 months of delays are definitely there... but if you deem those games as 'must play on day 1', then PC gamers (Ahsan excluded...for the time being ), will rather play those must play quality games in their full glory.

As for others like these:

Batman AA (wonderful immersive-ness with PhysX)
Borderlands
NBA 2K10
Dragon Age: Origins
Call of effin Duty Modern Warfare 2
AVATAR
Left 4 Dead 2
Risen
Mini Ninjas
Section 8
Ashes Cricket 2009
Overlord II
Wolfenstein
Trine
Call of Juarez: Bound in Blood
Prototype
FEAR 2
Velvet Assassin....
..etc
...etc

2 weeks max of wait, is negligible considering they are leaked earlier as well. Is the glass half full or empty?

My belief that PC's have gone down is based on two pretty solid events. Crytek releasing an optimised for consoles CE2 as CE3 and John Carmack compensating game design to fit it on inferior hardware. Though I'll be damned if Valve anounces their next engine with Episode 3 *gulp* on it, Carmack demos idTech6 and Crytek shows a DX11 enhanced CE3 as this GDC.

Boy oh boy, I hope you're right about Ep3 *drools* Either way, modding community will do it justice.

Hehe bones and excess food lol. I don't blame the devs for doing that. Its ALL about the money. Money is the driving force of the industry. You might have a case if Crysis 2 is canceled on the PC altogether. It was obvious Crytek had something too good to compromise on, so they never thought about consoles before. After Spore, Sims 2, AC, Crysis was the most pirated game according to Torrent sites. The Sims 3 & Warhead, (AC2 in the future) should've never seen the light of day if PC gaming was on its decline. Of course the higher the sales, better for them. I guess whatever the revenue PC generates for those devs are more or less what they expect out of it due to the amount of piracy. Pirates will always pirate and people who buy original games will continue to do so. Didn't Q-Games put a halt (or probably canceled altogether) the ports for Pixel Junk games on PSP solely due to piracy? If they did it, others might follow as well. Dhindora peeeto, "PSP gaming dyiiinggg"... or just start calling those games 'mediocre' for your sake :lol:

About focus shift of games being developed with console hardware limitations in mind, even then you admit the superiority of the PC version. And it goes without saying that not every game is KZ2 or UC2 as far as extracting the most juice out of a hardware is concerned.

The only reason I see PC being abandoned by devs is if literally every PC gamer in the world ends up pirating a game, hence no sales whatsoever. 4 years into the next-gen era, things seem to be going good (if not great). But I don't need a damn console only gamer (speaking in general now) to tell me PC gaming is dying because of how expensive the hardware is, what a hassle the cracks are, or if the superior quality isn't worth the wait. Don't tread on the grounds you don't fully understand fools

 

[thugangel123]

6 months of delays are definitely there... but if you deem those games as 'must play on day 1', then PC gamers (Ahsan excluded...for the time being ), will rather play those must play quality games in their full glory.

I won't. I rather prefer the game not include any new fancy option then it get delay.

Look at "capcom" for example. Many PC gamers hail them as gods or something because capcom started releasing games on PC, and proper ones at that. Capcom should be doing this from the start and one of the reason they are doing it now is because they're porting their games from PC to console, so they probably thought why not capture the PC market in the process. And yet we still get delays, capcom released a mediocre title like bionic commando simultaneously on PC but they just had to delay SF IV for no apparent reason. The game was released on arcades long before consoles and the arcades were using a 7 series nvidia card a dual core cpu so time wasn't an issue. It won't be long when the whole delay dilemma becomes popular with all developers.

 

[Necrokiller]

I won't.

Looking at your rig, thats understandable

It won't be long when the whole delay dilemma becomes popular with all developers.

4 years and counting....

 

[Shyber]

6 months of delays are definitely there... but if you deem those games as 'must play on day 1', then PC gamers (Ahsan excluded...for the time being ), will rather play those must play quality games in their full glory.

I am a PC gamer as well. I will rather play their better version but I'd rather not wait for 6 months for them.

Hehe bones and excess food lol. I don't blame the devs for doing that. Its ALL about the money. Money is the driving force of the industry.

And that is the only reason why PC is being ignored.

You might have a case if Crysis 2 is canceled on the PC altogether. It was obvious Crytek had something too good to compromise on, so they never thought about consoles before. After Spore, Sims 2, AC, Crysis was the most pirated game according to Torrent sites. The Sims 3 & Warhead, (AC2 in the future) should've never seen the light of day if PC gaming was on its decline. Of course the higher the sales, better for them. I guess whatever the revenue PC generates for those devs are more or less what they expect out of it due to the amount of piracy. Pirates will always pirate and people who buy original games will continue to do so.

I donno, I consider this thought as being optimistic from the POV of PC gamers. I mean Crytek spending time to make something run on inferior hardware where they could've pushed the next gen envelope further on PC. Same with id tech. Heck even Valve are being money hungry to some extent. No mention of Ep3 and L4D2 was a big WTF moment for me. And then, if PC had been the primary focus, MW2 could've been so much different, better and with all the default stuff that is supposed to come with PC version. All these things do suggest something dude. Game development costs are going up and only up. With more detail to put in, the expectations of gamers are on the rise. With so much dev costs, devs can't be blamed for turning to more profitable solutions. Hence we see so many former PS exclusives going multiplat.

About focus shift of games being developed with console hardware limitations in mind, even then you admit the superiority of the PC version.

Mostly just resolution.

The only reason I see PC being abandoned by devs is if literally every PC gamer in the world ends up pirating a game, hence no sales whatsoever.

The world can never be idiot-free. That's heaven's characteristic :wink2:.

 

[Sire Ahsan]

2 weeks max of wait, is negligible considering they are leaked earlier as well. Is the glass half full or empty?

Its half full ... but heres the problem ...

... it used to be FULL before

@umar1986

Dude dedicated server per party tu nahin hoti aap kon say servers per khailtay hain bahi.please pass justified comments.

Dedicated servers = low pings = no lag = proper gameplay. Anything above 100ms for an FPS starts to get a bit irritating at some times ...

@BlackViper

Better quality, extra content justify getting games late (Piracy is also a factor here but not sole factor).

Doesnt to me, Shyber or thugangel123 here ... your justification fails.

Honestly Ahsan from my very first post I am trying to make this thread look sensible, I am trying to summarize facts, figures and stories to answer "Is PC gaming dying ?" question, I am not arguing without reasons, and I try to bring new reasons every time I post unlike you who is repeatedly basing his opinions on very limited reasons. And every time you post you just bring that same stuff in a new packaging.

Hahhahaah ...

OMGOMGOMG!!!!

SENSIBBLLELELELELLE!!


BWHAHHAHAHAAHHAHAHHHAH!!!


HAHAHAH!!!

... *ahem* ... and I quote ... "MICROSOFT IS AFRAID OF PC GAMING" ...

SENSIBLE .... bhwahhaha

... hahHHHahhahahahahah!!!!


... ahhhh .. thanks mate, you just made my day Im not even going to bother about your other replies now ... !

Oh and do try to play Gran Turismo Prologue OR Forza 3 someday ... when you get 500+ cars and tracks ... you'll know what Im talking about. Oh and urdu khawat main bhe bolunga

"Bandar say kon puchay adraak ka swaaad"

 

[thugangel123]

Looking at your rig, thats understandable

4 years and counting....

I was expecting a better comeback, but oh well. And my rig can play all the recent games at respectable settings just fine so it has nothing to do with that.

 

[Shyber]

Looking at your rig, thats understandable

LOL - I read that as "SIG" instead of "RIG" and thought it made a lot more sense. Until he replied:

I was expecting a better comeback, but oh well. And my rig can play all the recent games at respectable settings just fine so it has nothing to do with that.

IMO, "sig" would make more sense in that post of yours necro

 

[Black Viper]

@ Necrokiller

@Black Viper: Try to borrow a PS3 to check out the exclusives. I recommend you give them a shot, esp. Killzone 2 if you're a fan of shooters. There is plenty there to enjoy that even a PC gamer shouldn't miss out on (after all, we do love FPS). Resistance as well. Great merger of Doom/Half Life feel to the gameplay. Its upto you to decide if they're worthy of the price tag for a console or not, but they're definitely worth a 'rental'.

Alrighty mate, a friend of mine has PS3, I am going to borrow it from him and try those titles. You are right in saying that we all love FPS. So I am going to give them a shot.

@ Shyber

It actually doesn't end there. You're ignoring emulators quite too easily my friend. Access to the whole of retro library + PS1 + PS2 + Dreamcast + Gamecube plus even the friggin Wii (with Wiimote, yes) is something mind blowing. Then the mods and custom skins. For a gaming enthusiast, there's always a lot to do on PC but try to think from my perspective. I've got a PC AND a console. Assassin's Creed 2 gets released. I have access to it. I can play it. I know the superior version is due in 6 months or something. I also know other stuff like GOW3, FFXIII, Conviction and Alan Wake are due in 6 months. Right now, I'm done with MW2 and got nothing to play. Would I buy the game on console now? In my case
YES. Without any regrets. Same thing happened with RE5, SF4 and GTA4.

Its personal preference to be honest, time or quality (your choice). I stay with quality. I have also completed MW2, now I am playing DA:O second time with different character and storyline, the game is designed having PC in mind with better graphics, optimization etc... not to mention it has tons of replay value. So its worth my time, I am also playing RE 5 and unlocking each and every thing in it. Also I am playing mercenary mode with friends on tunngle. Same thing is going with Borderlands I am playing it coop with friends on tunngle.... As I said so many titles to play and enjoy.

About your game's list. You do realize that FF7, FF8 and FFXI were released on PC before too. MGS1 and MGS2 came to PC as well. And one can play ALL Final Fantasies on PC right now, and ALL MGSs (accept MGS4) on PC as well. It isn't the first time that a Battlfefield game is coming to PC either.

Sighhhh..... The problem is you are not getting happy from any angle. First you were complaining that titles are going multiplat from PC only, and some are even abandoning PC (like the ones I mentioned, they abandoned PC if we look one step behind) and now they are coming back and still you are calling it a downward trend lol. PC is making its way back, I say its 'progress' but you are just denying the inevitable.

My belief that PC's have gone down is based on two pretty solid events. Crytek releasing an optimised for consoles CE2 as CE3 and John Carmack compensating game design to fit it on inferior hardware. Though I'll be damned if Valve anounces their next engine with Episode 3 *gulp* on it, Carmack demos idTech6 and Crytek shows a DX11 enhanced CE3 as this GDC.

Cvet Yerli of Crytek first mentioned that the game is going to be equal on all platforms, but later changed his statement that PC version will be far superior than its console counterparts, I call this upward trend, they are still developing the game having PC in mind. And compensating game design is necessary to go multiplat because consoles come no where near PC's power.

To be honest the true meaning of Crysis as a "Visual Stunner" will be lost on consoles, it will become an ordinary FPS like many others on console. It is the quality of Crysis which makes it different from other titles.

Here is a rough comparison of CryEngine 3 (on consoles) and CryEngine 2 (on PC), CryEngine 3 of consoles which is latest is a step down version of CryEngine 2 of PC. Judge yourself.

The upcoming console version

Previous PC version.

you will notice here that resolution is not everything, high detailed textures also play role. Look at the grass, the gun metal texture, the ground texture, reflections, depth of field and vibrant colors are few things worth mentioning.

@ thugangle123

capcom released a mediocre title like bionic commando simultaneously on PC but they just had to delay SF IV for no apparent reason.

Bro tell me which company makes a mediocre title themselves, no company wants their title to go mediocre. Bionic Commando was a highly anticipated title (considering it was an old time famous title). It was a decent action platformer too but some flaws caused the Critics to mark it as a mediocre title and the reason of SF IV PC delay was explained by Capcom (True or False, that's another thing) but they explained it.

http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/news/45151/Why-Was-Street-Fighter-IV-PC-Delayed

@ Ahsan

Hahhahaah ...

OMGOMGOMG!!!!

SENSIBBLLELELELELLE!!


BWHAHHAHAHAAHHAHAHHHAH!!!


HAHAHAH!!!

... *ahem* ... and I quote ... "MICROSOFT IS AFRAID OF PC GAMING" ...

SENSIBLE .... bhwahhaha

... hahHHHahhahahahahah!!!!


... ahhhh .. thanks mate, you just made my day Im not even going to bother about your other replies now ... !

Oh and do try to play Gran Turismo Prologue OR Forza 3 someday ... when you get 500+ cars and tracks ... you'll know what Im talking about. Oh and urdu khawat main bhe bolunga

"Bandar say kon puchay adraak ka swaaad"

No comments.... since its what I expected from you... tsk tsk tsk. But honestly its not your fault, these are called 'Desperate Measures' of a soldier who has nowhere to run, nowhere to hide. You are not bothering for other replies because you are out of words now, and if you cannot make sense out of this sentence "Microsoft is afraid of PC gaming" then it's not my fault. Microsoft is giving priority to it's console over PC but if they give their major priority to PC then their console will flop.

And there is a way to convince someone lol, Necrokiller know that way. He asked me to try those games and I agreed to do that but your way.... utter stupidity...

 

[Shyber]

@ Shyber

Its personal preference to be honest, time or quality (your choice). I stay with quality.

Don't get me wrong dude, I'm all for quality. But most of the times the difference in quality is much less (read: negligible) compared to the difference in delay of release frames.

Sighhhh..... The problem is you are not getting happy from any angle. First you were complaining that titles are going multiplat from PC only, and some are even abandoning PC (like the ones I mentioned, they abandoned PC if we look one step behind) and now they are coming back and still you are calling it a downward trend lol. PC is making its way back, I say its 'progress' but you are just denying the inevitable.

Oh no, am not denying anything. I was just making sure that you knew about that. I was basically pointing out that these weren't big deals - it's something that's on with PC always. Though their absence might enforce the downward curve argument.

Cvet Yerli of Crytek first mentioned that the game is going to be equal on all platforms, but later changed his statement that PC version will be far superior than its console counterparts, I call this upward trend, they are still developing the game having PC in mind. And compensating game design is necessary to go multiplat because consoles come no where near PC's power.

No they're not. That's just PR stuff. Crytek are bounding themselves around console limitations. As I said, I'm anticipating to be surprised and blown away by a CE3 worthy of being called a successor to CE2 rather than the marketing move of calling CE2 console version as CE3. I hope you get my drift, that I know how good Crytek really are and they would've done much much better if they didn't have to waste their resources on console ports.

To be honest the true meaning of Crysis as a "Visual Stunner" will be lost on consoles, it will become an ordinary FPS like many others on console. It is the quality of Crysis which makes it different from other titles.

It may not be a Visual Stunner but it'd definitely be a Sales Stunner.

Here is a rough comparison of CryEngine 3 (on consoles) and CryEngine 2 (on PC), CryEngine 3 of consoles which is latest is a step down version of CryEngine 2 of PC. Judge yourself.

The upcoming console version

Previous PC version.

Not a good example. I can do better than that. You don't need to convince me

 

[Sire Ahsan]

Ofcourse I had to make a retarted post mate ... tumhari zabaan main main tumko samjhana tha.

Everyone here ... even Shyber who you find 'most decent' says PC gaming is at a decline ... but you aint listening. Thugangel123 is a PC gamer, he says hes FRUSTATED by the delay of games ... I am too, a lot of PC gamers on Pakgamer are, even Shyber says that he doesnt care for quality if its given to him 6 months later ... yet you deny that "PC gamers dont care about delays". Seriously would you tell me who are YOU to represent PC gamers here ? (Since u've been giving me that blame)

Funny thing is, people who are on 'your' side (necrokiller mainly) ... have consoles for the 'exclusives' as they say ... yet you keep saying "There are more than enough PC games". Clearly if a person is bothering buying a console while having a PC ... he aint satisfied by the library of games, because the PC pretty much destroys consoles in all other aspects (graphics, multiplayer, controllers option, mods everything).

If you keep denying the fact that PC games getting delayed are a pain in the ass, if you keep denying that some of the biggest titles are being ignored off the PC and keep saying "They dont matter" and you keep talking about stuff like "Microsoft is afraid of PC gaming" (which is why they just released DirectX 11, pretty scared arent they?) ... Ill have to make retarted posts ... you know ... come down to your level.

EDIT - Agree with Shyber, lame pic to show off Crysis man ... it looks TONS more epic than that ... I know, ive played it (7 times total, Warhead + original campaign)

 

[Chandoo]

if you're going to do a comparison, at least use images from the same place .

 

[Black Viper]

@ Shyber

No they're not. That's just PR stuff. Crytek are bounding themselves around console limitations. As I said, I'm anticipating to be surprised and blown away by a CE3 worthy of being called a successor to CE2 rather than the marketing move of calling CE2 console version as CE3. I hope you get my drift, that I know how good Crytek really are and they would've done much much better if they didn't have to waste their resources on console ports.

Crytek is in a difficult position at the moment, they created a challenge for themselves. As soon as Crysis 2 got released, more screen shots of Crysis 1 (PC) and Crysis 2 (PC) will be compared than screen shots of Crysis 2 (Consoles) and Crysis 2 (PC). So I think they have something in their minds to tackle that situation. And if that's just PR stuff then this PR stuff will go against them if they release a low quality game on PC. Pretty tight situation for them.

Not a good example. I can do better than that. You don't need to convince me

LOL ! that is why I called it a rough comparison. A full fledged comparison will prove a little hard on console gamers.

 

[Shyber]

@ Shyber

Crytek is in a difficult position at the moment, they created a challenge for themselves. As soon as Crysis 2 got released, more screen shots of Crysis 1 (PC) and Crysis 2 (PC) will be compared than screen shots of Crysis 2 (Consoles) and Crysis 2 (PC). So I think they have something in their minds to tackle that situation. And if that's just PR stuff then this PR stuff will go against them if they release a low quality game on PC. Pretty tight situation for them.

If they're keeping the console gamers happy, then they need not to worry about PC gamers. See what happened with MW2? So much hate by PC gamers, doesn't even scratch IW. They're now arm in arm with MS and Sony - PC gamers can rot for all they care. Of course Crytek has more love for PC gaming and hence I expect them to blow us away with a DX11 enhanced CE3. Though still wouldn't be as hot as a dedicated PC only CE3, yet am sure it'll be good enough to rub onto console gamers.

LOL ! that is why I called it a rough comparison. A full fledged comparison will prove a little hard on console gamers.

From another perspective, that proves my point even more. CE3 looking worse than CE2, a case that wouldn't have occurred if Crytek hadn't bothered with console versions.

 

[Black Viper]

Ofcourse I had to make a retarted post mate ... tumhari zabaan main main tumko samjhana tha.

Everyone here ... even Shyber who you find 'most decent' says PC gaming is at a decline ... but you aint listening. Thugangel123 is a PC gamer, he says hes FRUSTATED by the delay of games ... I am too, a lot of PC gamers on Pakgamer are, even Shyber says that he doesnt care for quality if its given to him 6 months later ... yet you deny that "PC gamers dont care about delays". Seriously would you tell me who are YOU to represent PC gamers here ? (Since u've been giving me that blame)

Funny thing is, people who are on 'your' side (necrokiller mainly) ... have consoles for the 'exclusives' as they say ... yet you keep saying "There are more than enough PC games". Clearly if a person is bothering buying a console while having a PC ... he aint satisfied by the library of games, because the PC pretty much destroys consoles in all other aspects (graphics, multiplayer, controllers option, mods everything).

If you keep denying the fact that PC games getting delayed are a pain in the ass, if you keep denying that some of the biggest titles are being ignored off the PC and keep saying "They dont matter" and you keep talking about stuff like "Microsoft is afraid of PC gaming" (which is why they just released DirectX 11, pretty scared arent they?) ... Ill have to make retarted posts ... you know ... come down to your level.

EDIT - Agree with Shyber, lame pic to show off Crysis man ... it looks TONS more epic than that ... I know, ive played it (7 times total, Warhead + original campaign)

Meri zabaan main mujko kya samjhao gay dost, tum toh apni zaban hee bhul chukay ho. Pagalon jesi post kerkay tum apni great PG respect khatam kerrahe ho.

Aur Shyber tum say toh laac guna bhethar hai kyun kay wo kum say kum baat sunta toh hai, tumaray saat baat kerna matlab pathar per sir maarna.

Console rukhna buri baat nahi, zaheeri baat hai kay tum frustrated ho chukay ho delays say lekin tumari shifting PC gaming kee death nahi bayaan kerti, tum PC per bhi piracy kertay thay aur tum console per bhi piracy kertay ho, tum say na PC ko koi faida hai na console ko. PC ya console gaming ko unsay faida hai jo games khareed tay hain (apni baat nahi ker raha) lekin bahar bohot bari PC community hai tumari soch say zayada bari.

Aur clearly koi console laynay kay baad PC per wapis aaraha hai (jaisay tum) toh PC mai bhi kuch hai.

Tumaray pass sirf do... ya theen.... ya char titles hain jo biggest hain aur PC per nahi aarahay aur tum uski wajah say puri PC gaming a decline bata rahay ho. Microsoft toh do kheshtiyon ka sawaar hai, agar woh DirectX 11 nahi banai ga toh kon uska OS khareeday ga ? Professional market mai toh Microsoft OS pahlay say hee flop hai. Home user uska major target hai, lekin Microsoft ki priority is waqt console hai. Samaj aaya.... Urdu say zayada aasaan zabaan nahi hai meray pass tumari moti akal kay leyay. Sorry lekin tumaray level per bhi aana para muj ko.