[Aurora] Is PC gaming dying?

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Necrokiller

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Who says you got to OWN a console to play a few certain games ?
Point was, I know what I'm 'missing out on' when you talk about non-PC games. Pretty sure PC only gamers know about it as well even if they haven't played it. Fable, Midnight Club, Final Fantasy, Tekken etc. need no introduction. If they were so crazy about it, like you, they would've jumped ships as well.

Count of PC exclusives = decline (For 2010, there Scievlation, DoW 2 Chaos Rising, SCII and CnC4 ... just 4, may be a few more but not a single big name)
I never said exclusives was a strong point for PC gaming.

So yea more importantly ... uhh ... you forgot the question
Choice of ONLY ONE GAMING platform ... choose!
If you must know.....Peeeee......?????????? :p

Necro is right. We should use the word "timed exclusive for 360" for such games :p
Sure man... if that adds a special sentimental value to the title for you, why not lol
 

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*Insert list of killer PS3 titles*
Dude, I was talking about hot games that can be bought for 100Rs. :p



Wht Shyber meant was with 360 he can have access to MOST of the hottest games this Gen
unlike with PS3 which wuld give him SOME of the hottest games this Gen :8
Not exactly.

To answer Ahsan's question directly, which I have in some podcast too, if I only have to live with ONE gaming platform, it'll be a PC. Because even if I'm not gaming, I will have a PC and 50% cost of any console purchase, I can get my rig to run more games that are on any single console's library at the moment. Thanks to emulators.

Heck, if I wait long enough, I can play all PS3 and 360 games on PC sometime later on ;)
 

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I never said exclusives was a strong point for PC gaming.
Its not that you never said it was, its the fact that PC exclusives over the previous years are declining and even those games which we could say "Oh yea I know I cant get to play Fable, but I got Witcher instead which you xbots cant" ... now, that line cannot be used. Get it ?
 

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if I only have to live with ONE gaming platform, it'll be a PC. Because even if I'm not gaming, I will have a PC and 50% cost of any console purchase,
Lol ... I said costs and any other thing dont matter. Just sometihng you get to play ALL your games at!

You in reality answered my question in the General Gaming thread of Platform of the Year :p
 

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Since most PC gamers don't give a shit about some of the most awesome-est games of all time, why do they game then? More importantly what DO they play?....I am sure Half-life is not the only game in the world lol

We don't want this, we don't need that, we can wait...

Well.....Good luck to you guys then....
Awesome-est games.... MEH.. you are living in your own world lol, which is good for a guy like you who only give shit about his gaming platform and nothing else. Seriously you are bringing total fanboyism here (Why do we play ?, what do we play ?, I have great games while you don't.) just focus on the topic "Is PC (only & only PC) Gaming Dying ?" No it isn't ! regarding back seat issue, yes it has taken some what a back seat because no one is officially supporting it, there is no company who owns it. But yes it also takes a front seat occasionally because most of the developers out there are veteran PC developers, they like developing games on this platform and occasionally create games having PC or PC gamers in mind (not citing exclusivity here). Exclusivity is totally a different issue, developers now want to generate more revenues which is only possible with multiplat development (Developers always prefer multiplat) and before you start crying about all those X360 exclusives, I tell you one thing that if someone also pay 50 million $ to developers in order to make some title PC exclusive, developers will gladly do that but as I said since no one owns PC platform that is why no one is paying for it.

Check this out why X360 gets exclusives lol:

http://texyt.com/Microsoft+pays+$50m+for+GTA+4+episodes+00111

now that's a defensive measure rather than a good measure I say, Microsoft is afraid of PC gaming and PS3 that is why willingly paying developers such big amounts. Sony also do the same, it either owns the developing company or pay them. They are playing politics here and PC is not in this politics hence taking a back seat. But inherent freedom and rapid technological advancement continuously boosting PC gaming, not to mention that the technology which is developed for PC is being borrowed by consoles eventually, they all are using old PC technology (Graphics card, RAM, Storage... etc) inside them so if PC gaming dies then the technology of consoles also comes to halt, so PC is not going anywhere.

Coming back to the topic of exclusivity, Microsoft also forced Bioware to make Mass Effect 1 an X360 exclusive therefore it stayed exclusive to X360 for few months and after that Bioware broke exclusivity plans and made the game for PC as well because they knew that there is a wonderful PC fan base out there to buy their game as well.

Assassins Creed 1 got pirated on PC a lot, even released unofficially (leak) at torrent sites but still they are making Assassins Creed 2 for PC, because PC gave them enough revenue which they simply can't ignore.

Seriously all this "Shor Sharaba" for exclusivity is a joke to me because exclusivity is not a profitable business. Its like if you have a shop and you are saying that I will only sell my stuff to the people of my area and no one from outside lol.

And regarding "What DO we play on PC ?" question, I'd like to answer that.

We play games like Crysis, which you can never play on your console. Even if Crysis 2 is coming on console, its true potential of the "Most visually impressive game in history" will be ruined by that shitty console graphics. We also play FarCry 2 which you already have on consoles but again that pulp like textures ruin all the experience. Not to mention all those titles which "Exclusively" appear first on your console and then make their way on PC look way way better lol and also gives a more engaging experience because of great controls we have using mouse and keyboard.

Now how that sound in comparison to your Awesome-est games ? And yes we can wait a little to see improved graphics, better controls and extra stuff. (y)
 
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Sire Ahsan

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Seriously all this "Shor Sharaba" for exclusivity is a joke to me because exclusivity is not a profitable business. Its like if you have a shop and you are saying that I will only sell my stuff to the people of my area and no one from outside lol.
Considering how people select their gaming platforms based on 'exclusivity' ... it is profitable. There are many people, even in Pakistan, that are considering the PS3 next year ONLY and ONLY because of Gran Turismo 5.

Same way, Alan Wake will sell consoles. Unchartered 2, being a console exclusive, sold many a consoles. And im sure a lot of PC gamers got consoles due to GTA time exclusivity as well. And just as many people have decided to get a PC once (and if) Diablo 3 and Starcraft II come as PC Exclusives.

Saying "exclusives" dont matter is just living in denial. Platforms always need a few exclusives that drive the person towards that platform instead of the other.

Its not Shor Sharaba. Its a fact.

And yes we can wait a little to see improved graphics, better controls and extra stuff.
You yourself might be, but a lot of PC gamers were very pissed off at the GTA4 delay, and the Assassins Creed 2 delay ... and an equal number didnt really like Alan Wake getting shoved off the PC, amongst other things. PC gamers HATE delays, we are 'not' okay with it ... you might be, but a lot of PC gamers worldwide HATE it.

And regarding "What DO we play on PC ?" question, I'd like to answer that.
You mentioned games that 'consoles will never get to play'. You are true on that ... but if you look at the OTHER side of the problem, there are many many more titles that PC ONLY gamers will NEVER get to play. The balance was pretty good till now with games like Company of Heroes, the whole Total War series, STALKER, Witcher etc etc etc ... but a lot of 'Consoles will never get to play' series are going multiplatform, though its not the other way around. Infact, some titles PCs should have got, seem to be no longer on the PC anymore ...

And for the year 2010, there are a very very few 'Consoles will never get to play' a.k.a. PC Exclusives. But there are quite a few 'PC wont get to play'. Im not going to bother naming them because you wont care about them ...

Look around a bit yourself and figure out what PC gamers will miss this upcoming year ... I aint going to bother taking names ... having better graphics, better controls does not sound more awesomer than Forza 3 or GT5 for a person who likes racing games. Or a GTA fan who has to wait a long time for the next GTA title. Or Final Fantasy XIII for a Japanese RPG fan etc. etc.

Atleast you now admit that PC gaming is taking a backseat, which is what im saying as well.
 
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Awesome-est games.... MEH.. you are living in your own world lol, which is good for a guy like you who only give shit about his gaming platform and nothing else. Seriously you are bringing total fanboyism here (Why do we play ?, what do we play ?, I have great games while you don't.) just focus on the topic "
First of all, you've conveniently missed the "some" part i wrote. Some of the most awesome games are coming to consoles which are either exclusives or timed exclusives for them and not for the PC. I am not living in denial dude....It really seems like you have never in your life played some of the hottest exclusives on the 360 or PS3. You're one unbelievable dude...
Microsoft is afraid of PC gaming and PS3 that is why willingly paying developers such big amounts.
Wait....what?....A platform which is generating less revenue a month than a medium class U.S citizen (ok i made that up...but you get the point), you think a person/company with a sane mind would wanna continue supporting it? and see his years of hard work just get stolen (pirated) in front of his eyes? And you expect them to keep supporting it? And now when they're not supporting it, you call them as "Being afraid of PC gaming"?

What is the meaning of "Afraid of PC gaming" here anyway?
Seriously all this "Shor Sharaba" for exclusivity is a joke to me because exclusivity is not a profitable business. Its like if you have a shop and you are saying that I will only sell my stuff to the people of my area and no one from outside lol.
oh my gaawwwwddd yaar....

I am calling it......You have no idea what you're talking about....

Just because an exclusive of PC gaming (Crysis) bombed harder than Tsar bomba doesn't mean the same applies everywhere else! Get over it.

We play games like Crysis, which you can never play on your console. Even if Crysis 2 is coming on console, its true potential of the "Most visually impressive game in history" will be ruined by that shitty console graphics. We also play FarCry 2 which you already have on consoles but again that pulp like textures ruin all the experience.
2 games in front of....Forget it...i'd rather not.

And about the "Most visually impressive game ever", Most critics agree than the game is just nothing more than a tech demo with a pretty mediocre storyline....

Oh but i guess you're gonna come up with the "Critics don't mater" statement....Nothing i can do about that. Sorry.

Not to mention all those titles which "Exclusively" appear first on your console and then make their way on PC look way way better lol and also gives a more engaging experience because of great controls we have using mouse and keyboard.
@ your first point...You play games which most people have played months/years ago. So you're already lagging behind...

@ your second point, thats very subjective and depends on personal tastes. Excluding myself, you'll find a lot of people who prefer to play an FPS on a controller...There is nothing great between the 2 that eclipses the other...Its just a matter of personal preference....
 

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PC gaming will never die. It's simply losing a tiny bit of it's huge share in the games sector. The no. of gamers from Wii, PS2, PS3, Xbox 360, PSP, Wii, DS, etc, etc combined do not outnumber the gamers on the PC.

The no. of video game titles available in each genre are greater on the PC as well. In addition, the PC has more genres. Strategy games are just one example. The only respectable strategy franchise that's ever been introduced on a console is a port of the (hugely popular)Civilizations series. Halo wars and others around it's level(like End War) are shit compared to some of the more robust PC titles like Supreme Commander, SOASE, Empire Total War, DemiGod, etc, etc and so on.
Besides strategy you have simulators, indie titles, MMORPGs(EVE online, WoW,etc), sims 2 & 3 and everything else that I can't name right now off my memory but there's no shortage of exclusives on the PC. They may be smaller titles, but you must consider that while some people would consider anything less than modern warfare 2 or Halo the level at which something doesn't qualify as a part of the gaming industry, in reality, casual games combined sell 50x better than something which even has the graphics, story and thrice the length of a blockbuster film.
 
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Sire Ahsan

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@Firebender

If you take game sale numbers ... or just have a look at the games being discussed in the General Gaming section of Pakgamers, you'll find yourself quite wrong.

Strategy and MMORPG are the only two genres where PC excels.

Racing, FPS, 3PS, Arcade, Adventure, RPGs ... PC is getting less and less for the time being sadly.
 

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But you saw these problems the day you bought a 360? And I guess when you sold your PC? You were the one in denial.
 
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Considering how people select their gaming platforms based on 'exclusivity' ... it is profitable. There are many people, even in Pakistan, that are considering the PS3 next year ONLY and ONLY because of Gran Turismo 5.

Same way, Alan Wake will sell consoles. Unchartered 2, being a console exclusive, sold many a consoles. And im sure a lot of PC gamers got consoles due to GTA time exclusivity as well. And just as many people have decided to get a PC once (and if) Diablo 3 and Starcraft II come as PC Exclusives.

Saying "exclusives" dont matter is just living in denial. Platforms always need a few exclusives that drive the person towards that platform instead of the other.

Its not Shor Sharaba. Its a fact.
Yeah but you didn't answered a question, are "YOU" willing to pay 50 million $ for PC exclusivity of some title ? no ? then complaining about it makes no sense. I told you earlier and perhaps from my first post that there are politics happening here from big companies. Now you said it yourself, Exclusivity is actually happening to propel sales of hardware itself and companies like Microsoft/Sony seeing that it happens on a regular basis so their hardware sales other than that exclusivity has no other benefit.

You yourself might be, but a lot of PC gamers were very pissed off at the GTA4 delay, and the Assassins Creed 2 delay ... and an equal number didnt really like Alan Wake getting shoved off the PC, amongst other things. PC gamers HATE delays, we are 'not' okay with it ... you might be, but a lot of PC gamers worldwide HATE it.
Now a console gamer is telling what a PC gamer likes and what not, actually the problem is you are just going on believing the hype/official story and does not even analyze the reasons behind it, from my first post I am trying to summarize facts/links and stories and you don't even comment on them lol, you are trying to prove yourself a monotone person and you are doing very well in that, you are just preaching that exclusivity, getting the title first and some other factors only matter and does not even see the reasons behind on why they are happening.

You mentioned games that 'consoles will never get to play'. You are true on that ... but if you look at the OTHER side of the problem, there are many many more titles that PC ONLY gamers will NEVER get to play. The balance was pretty good till now with games like Company of Heroes, the whole Total War series, STALKER, Witcher etc etc etc ... but a lot of 'Consoles will never get to play' series are going multiplatform, though its not the other way around. Infact, some titles PCs should have got, seem to be no longer on the PC anymore ...

And for the year 2010, there are a very very few 'Consoles will never get to play' a.k.a. PC Exclusives. But there are quite a few 'PC wont get to play'. Im not going to bother naming them because you wont care about them ...

Look around a bit yourself and figure out what PC gamers will miss this upcoming year ... I aint going to bother taking names ... having better graphics, better controls does not sound more awesomer than Forza 3 or GT5 for a person who likes racing games. Or a GTA fan who has to wait a long time for the next GTA title. Or Final Fantasy XIII for a Japanese RPG fan etc. etc.

Atleast you now admit that PC gaming is taking a backseat, which is what im saying as well.
You just mentioned Company of Heroes and Total War series. Such games take time in developing and they make huge success when they come, the next company of heroes will be PC exclusive for sure (if that satisfies you). Napoleon Total War is announced as a PC exclusive, Command & Conquer 4 will be a PC exclusive, Witcher 2 will be designed having PC in mind (considering the fact that first one made a huge success on PC, selling more then 2 million copies only on PC) but since everyone don't really have a beefed up PC, gamers were dying to play that game on consoles as well so its going on consoles now as well (again profit/beneficial business strategy matters here). Microsoft played a big role in crapping the GTA 4 title, you and I can't do anything about it. Japanese RPG.... did you forget Jade Empire: Special Edition ? obviously its not making quick sequels like Final Fantasy but its much better than that.

Forza 3 and GT5..... Dirt 2, Burnout Paradise and Need for Speed: Shift works for me and I don't even see gamers who feel great urge to play Forza 3 and GT5 (except you).

From your very first post, you are just mentioning these hand picked titles, I think you just know about these games and nothing else, its good "You have console" then.

And now you are just catching the words, you just focused on word "Backseat" and didn't even saw the reasons I mentioned for backseat, what Microsoft/Sony doing to force PC go Backseat, no would you see at those reasons ? they all make sense after all didn't they ? while you are just trying to prove yourself right anyhow.

@USUF

First of all, you've conveniently missed the "some" part i wrote. Some of the most awesome games are coming to consoles which are either exclusives or timed exclusives for them and not for the PC. I am not living in denial dude....It really seems like you have never in your life played some of the hottest exclusives on the 360 or PS3. You're one unbelievable dude...
Me living in denial... wow ! It sure sounds good from the tongue of a fan boy, who is not even looking at the real topic here and just telling us how he is enjoying great titles on his X360 (ROFL). From almost 5 years (maybe more), fan boys like you say on a regular basis that PC gaming is dying or doing terribly bad but it gives a different results in the end. Its not about exclusivity or so called hottest/awesome titles, it's about sales that attract developers and PC is in very healthy state, check out these sales figure on PC in the month of November only,

http://news.bigdownload.com/2009/12/12/pc-game-retail-sales-numbers-for-november-revealed/

and these sales don't even include digital distribution/online sales, so just get an idea yourself how healthy it is and why developers don't abandon it altogether. Just go back a few pages on this thread and see a list of 25 titles that I mentioned coming on PC (mostly in 2010). I will update that list shortly with more titles because I don't stick myself on repeating same names again and again. So it is pretty safe to be a PC gamer in 2010 as well (better visuals and controls are just a few bonuses you get being a PC gamer :D).

And for your and Ahsan's exclusivity thirst, check this out, it has some PC exclusive titles of 2009 and also the games which did great on PC.

http://www.mygaming.co.za/news/pc/4975-Top-games-2009.html

While I present facts and proper proves, you are just playing with shallow words.

Wait....what?....A platform which is generating less revenue a month than a medium class U.S citizen (ok i made that up...but you get the point), you think a person/company with a sane mind would wanna continue supporting it? and see his years of hard work just get stolen (pirated) in front of his eyes? And you expect them to keep supporting it? And now when they're not supporting it, you call them as "Being afraid of PC gaming"?

What is the meaning of "Afraid of PC gaming" here anyway?
Lol I think I just answered your revenue propaganda above, and look who is complaining about piracy... What you are doing on your X360 ? And Microsoft is afraid of PC gaming because it is a free platform, it excels in technology at a greater... much greater speed that catch the eyes of developers. And Microsoft just wants to make money, now they have seen that PC gaming is doing just great in digital sales so they are making their own online distribution service called "Games on demand for Windows" lol. Its just like Valve's Steam.

oh my gaawwwwddd yaar....

I am calling it......You have no idea what you're talking about....

Just because an exclusive of PC gaming (Crysis) bombed harder than Tsar bomba doesn't mean the same applies everywhere else! Get over it.
I know what I am talking about, I always did. Honestly you need to get over with that exclusivity shouts, see what I answered above, Microsoft wants to make money that is why they are launching their own digital distribution service, they are trying to keep their foot in two boats just to get more money. Exclusivity of titles, exclusivity of support.... ends here. Maybe some day if Microsoft see more money in PC they will make an exclusive title for PC to propel it, then you'll understand.

2 games in front of....Forget it...i'd rather not.

Two games just for the reference (if you understand). And all games look 1000 times better on PC than X360 that's what I count in comparison of your "Forget it...i'd rather not" list of X360 games.

believe me, right now I want to type big "hahaha" on these lines:

And about the "Most visually impressive game ever", Most critics agree than the game is just nothing more than a tech demo with a pretty mediocre storyline....

Oh but i guess you're gonna come up with the "Critics don't mater" statement....Nothing i can do about that. Sorry.
Every person who cannot run Crysis say it is a tech demo and critics always need some flaws in a game to cite in their review, but ok... lets make you happy and say its a tech demo, I think its good. Like RROD force you to buy a better X360 (Jasper I mean), high end games like Crysis force us to upgrade our PCs simple...

Mediocre storyline... let me ask do you even know its storyline ? Its a sci-fi action shooter, you seriously don't expect its story to be as unforgettable as a story of some big RPG, I say there is no flaw in its story (considering its genre). And next time do also mention the critic names before making such claims as "Mediocre storyline". I checked Gamespot and IGN, two of the most visited critics and they don't make such a claim, so I believe its a self made claim.

@ your first point...You play games which most people have played months/years ago. So you're already lagging behind...

@ your second point, thats very subjective and depends on personal tastes. Excluding myself, you'll find a lot of people who prefer to play an FPS on a controller...There is nothing great between the 2 that eclipses the other...Its just a matter of personal preference....
lagged behind or not, whenever we play we get a better experience.

Personal preference... what a way to satisfy yourself. Even Ahsan mentioned that PC has great controls, there is simply no buts and ifs about it. Just try and show me how you can control Windows pointer with a controller, mouse and keyboard always provide much greater degree of precision.

Here are few of my gameplay videos of Devil May Cry 4 and Bionic Commando (Games which are meant to be played with controllers as most of the console gamers say). I played them using Mouse and Keyboard.


While I accept that mouse and keyboard has much much more potential than what I can do with them but still I enjoy each and every game with smooth controls and I really like to see your MW2 gameplay with a controller.

Long post isn't it ? some time it required. I took me around one and half hour to write this but I don't mind that because it contains facts and not just pile of words.
 

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@ Black Viper



If i start pointing out how wrong you've taken most of my statements, its gonna take a lot of time. For now, the above gif will suffice.
 

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Forza 3 and GT5..... Dirt 2, Burnout Paradise and Need for Speed: Shift works for me and I don't even see gamers who feel great urge to play Forza 3 and GT5 (except you).
Think big picture. PC doesnt have a GOOD simulation racer of the scale of Forza or Gran Turismo. Try to prove me otherwise. Shift and Burnout Paradise (a late delayed title btw) and Dirt 2 have NOTHING over Forza or Gran Turismo. 500+ cars, loaaaads of tracks ... no comparision.

Again, if you are oaky with LESS, doesnt mean others dont want more. Those who do, get consoles ... like me, or necrokiller, or hasanJ ...

And for your and Ahsan's exclusivity thirst, check this out, it has some PC exclusive titles of 2009 and also the games which did great on PC.
That list of 'exclusives' ... im loling ... half of those games are rated BELOW 8 for gods sake! PC got quite a few good titles in 2009, but far less than what the gaming industry got. Its getting worst in 2010.

From your very first post, you are just mentioning these hand picked titles, I think you just know about these games and nothing else, its good "You have console" then.
These 'hand-picked' titles are some of the BIGGEST titles in the gaming industry ... the whole of the gaming industry, some of these titles have sold consoles. I can name hundreds of titles, but these are those that are REALLY REALLY big.

I can name a whole lota names, but im not going to bother going on google and giving lists upon lists ... because I know what are the big titles for people. I can name a lot more, but if you dont even find the best stuff, 9/10+ rated, console-selling exclusives any good and dont even admit you are missing out on some of the best titles in gaming industry ... whats the use of other names ? Quality over Quantity ... and Im sure games like KillZone 2 (A PS3 exclusive) are much better quality wise than ArmA 2 (Not a big improvment over the original Operation Flashpoint, and I know that game thru and thru ... I worked for a mod on it)

Now a console gamer is telling what a PC gamer likes and what not, actually the problem is you are just going on believing the hype/official story and does not even analyze the reasons behind it, from my first post I am trying to summarize facts/links and stories and you don't even comment on them lol, you are trying to prove yourself a monotone person and you are doing very well in that, you are just preaching that exclusivity, getting the title first and some other factors only matter and does not even see the reasons behind on why they are happening.
Hahahah ... mate.

LOL! Rotflmao! I just sold my PC like couple of months ago at max. Ive been gaming on the PC since the age of the original Voodoo cards. I just got a console, after seeing the need for one since quite a few months (mid 2009) ... and was a PC gamer before (and im a techie too, Im the lead moderator of Hardware Section you know) ... Ive been through EVERY delay that has happened on the PC as of yet ... I KNOW what a PC gamer likes or not likes. Lol.

Dont like listening to me ? Fine. Google up on how people hated the MW2 Multiplayer screwup ... or the GTA4 delay and then the shitty port and performance woes ... or AC2 even. You will know what 'PC gamers' like then.

Reasons and speculations about how games are not being released because Microsoft is paying devs and the PCGA arent paying anyone anything and ignoring the obvious piracy issues that developers themselves talk about (Like IW was 'dissapointed' at the CoD4 piracy) ... making seriously stupid remarks like 'Microsoft is AFRAID of PC gaming' when PC gaming relies on THEIR OS and their DIRECTX ...

If these are Facts to you ... I wonder if you believe the world is still flat ... !

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it's about sales that attract developers and PC is in very healthy state, check out these sales figure on PC in the month of November only,

http://news.bigdownload.com/2009/12/...mber-revealed/

and these sales don't even include digital distribution/online sales, so just get an idea yourself how healthy it is and why developers don't abandon it altogether.
HAHAHAHAH! OMG OMG OMG!

Dude seriously ... living in such a denial is not good! There aer stuff that rules on the PC ... like mutliplayer, graphics, controllers, RTS and MMORPG genre ... I even say that. Consoles graphics are shitty, controls not nearly as good as a gaming mouse and online is pathetic ... ive said that before, and I say that again.

But seriously SALES ? Do you even KNOW sales numbers of the overall industry to compare this ?

51.7m is the sales of Nov for PC, all games included right ? Lets double that for the sake of digital sales. Approx 100 million. Big number ? HELL NO!

Do you know the amount of sales of MW2 (consoles, the other market you know) ? 6 MILLION+ copies ... that results in well over 360 million US$ from ONE frigging game!

Considering how PC november sales would have Modern Warfare 2 as well, we can clearly see where developers are getting money. And LOTS of it!

Also, Dragon Age Origins alone got over 21 million (350k+ copies sold) on X360 in November. Considering that number compared to overall game sales on PC ... im pretty damn sure console copies sold more than PCs, which got pirated ... by like ... everybody.

Assassins Creed 2 alone matched the number of PC media sales of November (51.7m) ... single game alone.

Seriously, developers are getting NOTHING from the PC, because of piracy, which is why they are abandoning it. Its not a Microsoft conspiracy, or something else ... its just pirates going at it like crazy, as proved above.

*these figures are NPD sale numbers for November, multiplied by price and rounded off pretty leniently*
 
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Long post isn't it ? some time it required. I took me around one and half hour to write this but I don't mind that because it contains facts and not just pile of words.
Wow!!! Even a gazillion facepalms won't do justice here.

On another note I am a PC gamer and a frustrated one at that. I'll probably buy a 360 if I get the greens but still keep my PC to get "goods" from both the worlds unlike many people who cling on to one platform and hail it like they're getting paid or something.
 

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And about the "Most visually impressive game ever", Most critics agree than the game is just nothing more than a tech demo with a pretty mediocre storyline....
Thats just ignorance on their part as well USUF. Because it looked too good to be true at that point (hell even now)... critics probably expected everything else to be of the same quality as well. The story is 'okay', not great, not terrible or mediocre, it JUST works for the game. And that has been the case with many other shooters (Gears of War? Hello? Storyline has been done to death in games/movies). This argument shouldn't be coming from someone who loved MW2 waise. We're both fans of some of the best story-driven shooters, so I understand where your accusations are coming from. But in case of Crysis, you're wrong.

Oh but i guess you're gonna come up with the "Critics don't mater" statement....Nothing i can do about that. Sorry.
I don't need to tell you this, but seems like its worth mentioning, reading a detailed review is not the same as unraveling the story by playing the game yourself. In your case, since you haven't even played the game, I guess their voice is the ONLY thing that matters. Nothing can be done about that either.

@ your first point...You play games which most people have played months/years ago. So you're already lagging behind...
Dude.... I'd rather take the 'superiority' of playing the best version than playing it early. Not playing is lagging behind...not playing late....jeeez. Thats a choice one makes...so its subjective. I still have quite a backlog of games on the consoles. Not everyone can play all the games on release day even if they only have consoles. Which game are you referring to with 'years' btw? Just curious...
 
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Thats just ignorance on their part as well USUF.
May be it is. But since i haven't played the game i can only base my argument over their opinions since they are the ones who represent the opinions of the masses (or atleast try to).

Not playing is lagging behind...not playing late....jeeez.
That is simply crap Necro. I didn't expect this from you lol.

Not playing a good game when you have a chance too is being arrogant, and playing it much later than the masses is lagging behind. What part of "Lagging behind" is difficult to understand? Or am i using the wrong word? Is "Late" ok?
 
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