MULTI Square Enix Confirms Gamescom line up.

[Gizmo]

I never said KH doesn't sell, I was just responding to your comment that Nomura hasn't made a single game for the 360, tell me how many games has Nomura made for the PS3 so far? Name just one.

The Wii U might outsell next gen consoles but it will never outsell the 360 by the time Versus comes out (If it does).Now If Versus were to shifted to the next genconsoles then the Wii U is simply out of the question.So the 360 remains with a larger install base, Versus will sell really well on the 360 albeit not as good as on the PS3, the Wii U may be cheap to port games over to but it's not really that expensive for the 360 either.

 

[Magma]

Nomura's intentions aren't clear yet.

But unless there is an exclusivity deal, there is a 99% chance that it will reach the 360.

 

[Xerolt9]

I didn't bother reading the entire thread. Once again, [MENTION=11846]Gizmo[/MENTION] sparks up the same old argument. I recall having this back in the XIII-2 thread too. Just get over it man. Versus is NOT coming on the 360. And if it does (God forbid), then I bet you my ass that it'll suck.

 

[sshah]

^ How exactly? 99%? Such a huge confident figure, why did you assume that?

[MENTION=11846]Gizmo[/MENTION] Why do you keep throwing Japan out of the equation? When FF has always pushed millions of units there? Why would SE completely disregard japanese audience, which help them generate their major profit percentage? The amount of publicity MS did for XIII there; it was fucking hilarious. And STILL it sold poorly.

And let's look at the development cycles; FFXII, 4 years, FFXIII, 6 years. While Nomura's intentions may not be clear to YOU people because of the development cycle, who just want to think as they see fit, he has repeatedly squished 360 rumours, heck, even Wada said that this game is not coming to 360. If the president refused, Nomura is not bringing it over, who is? The Janitor?

How will it sell well on 360? Because you and this other guy and handful of other hopefuls want it, and assume so? PS3 sold approx 68% above of those 7 million units you told me about. It literally crushed 360 in sales everywhere, and in japan, it was not even funny. And even with these sales they didn't generate enough money to save their asses from such an embarrassing company killing loss. What makes you think they'll do well with Versus, when XIII-2's sales on 360 are so laughable that I don't know what you are talking about.

Seriously how? For once, give me proof.

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[MENTION=32988]Xerolt9[/MENTION] Well you should have read the whole thread, it is filled with convincing arguments from 360 owners/ sarcasm.

 

[Magma]

^ How exactly? 99%? Such a huge confident figure, why did you assume that?

The Versus engine is made for multiplatform purpose and developing it/ porting it to the 360 shouldn't take up much resources. The increased sale will definitely mean more profit for SE. So I don't see a reason why not. Also considering that FF XIII and XIII-2 made their way to the 360 only makes it seem inevitable.

Also, if you see previous trends, high profile gaming companies are just not making exclusives any more unless there is a sack of money involved. Just take a look at Konami, Capcom and Namco. All have turned majorly into multiplatform developers.

 

[BumperJumper]

^It is not much about sack of money as it is about the development costs. The development costs of next gen AAA titles have increased tenfolds. That was the main reason Kojima designed his next gen Fox Engine with multiplatforms in mind.

Versus XIII only uses Luminous engine for it's lighting, i believe. So we don't know if the main engine is multiplatform or not since i don't think it is the same engine as FF XIII.

 

[Magma]

^It is not much about sack of money as it is about the development costs. The development costs of next gen AAA titles have increased tenfolds. That was the main reason Kojima designed his next gen Fox Engine with multiplatforms in mind.

Versus XIII only uses Luminous engine for it's lighting, i believe. So we don't know if the main engine is multiplatform or not since i don't think it is the same engine as FF XIII.

I think its being made by the Crystal Tools Engine. Atleast thats what the wiki page says.

It'd be absurd if they don't release it on X360 then. The development costs are down and they can make plenty of profit.

 

[BumperJumper]

I think its being made by the Crystal Tools Engine. Atleast thats what the wiki page says.

It'd be absurd if they don't release it on X360 then. The development costs are down and they can make plenty of profit.

Well i found this info, dunno if it's legit or not

In September 2011, it was announced that Final Fantasy Versus XIII is not being developed with Crystal Tools anymore but with a game-specific engine.[SUP][1][/SUP]

Crystal Tools - The Final Fantasy Wiki has more Final Fantasy information than Cid could research

 

[Chandoo]

Why are you guys discussing versus so much lol, the game hasn't had a public showing in years, it doesn't have anywhere near to a confirmed release date, and all the signs are pointing to FFXIII-3 being announced (AND RELEASED) before Versus, and you can assume eyes closed that FFXIII-3 would be released on both the platforms the previous games are on, so unless they come out at TGS and claim that versus development is 95% completed, all this discussion is moot.

Doesn't matter what an engine is designed to do, if there's money hats involves the game goes where ever the company wants it to, who could have imagined FFXIII to come on the 360 ? after a shock announcement like that how are some of you guys so easily claiming things like "IT'S NEVER GONNA HAPPEN AGAIN", it already has once, setting an example. It can just as easily happen again with Versus (provided the game ever sees the light of day).

 

[Gizmo]

I didn't bother reading the entire thread. Once again, @Gizmo sparks up the same old argument. I recall having this back in the XIII-2 thread too. Just get over it man. Versus is NOT coming on the 360. And if it does (God forbid), then I bet you my ass that it'll suck.

Same old Fanboy BS.Like porting a game over to the 360 will automatically make it suck.

So basically, what Chandoo says is right and this discussion is over.

 

[Spiderman3000]

Yes, logically versus xiii should be ported to 360 from a business point of view.. BUT this is SQUARE ENIX.. They didn't bother localizing FF Type 0, made crappy XIII sequels nobody wants, never made a FFVII, VIII remake, making remakes only for portable systems, making a game EVERY FF fanboy will drool over(Dissidia) only psp exclusive and what not.. Soo logic doesn't apply to SE. Though I would prefer for Versus XIII to stay exclusive to the ps3

 

[Gizmo]

^^Type-0 is being localized for NA, it was confirmed months ago.

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And [MENTION=23334]sshah[/MENTION] How does porting the ame over to the 360 mean that SE are diregarding the Japs? What kind of logic are you working on here? 0__o

 

[Spiderman3000]

^^Type-0 is being localized for NA, it was confirmed months ago.

Nope. It ain't confirmed. Thats just a rumour and how many SE rumours actually turn out to be true?

 

[Gizmo]

^^It's not a rumor it was confirmed in the ultimania thingy I think.

 

[Spiderman3000]

^^It's not a rumor it was confirmed in the ultimania thingy I think.

If it was it should be on big gaming sites since the game has a huge demand :/ still... some hope for FFXV at gamescom

 

[Chandoo]

^^It's not a rumor it was confirmed in the ultimania thingy I think.

Unfortunately it was just a comment, not a confirmation. The game hasn't seen any kind of confirmation of a localized version so far.

 

[Gizmo]

^^Maybe they'll port it to the VITA at some point.I heard it has an Epic ending. :S

 

[sshah]

^^Type-0 is being localized for NA, it was confirmed months ago.

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And @sshah How does porting the ame over to the 360 mean that SE are diregarding the Japs? What kind of logic are you working on here? 0__o

Dude, you are so out of touch with this, aren't you? This is a logic, because it is one of the highlights of their 2011 fiscal years loses; dwindling public interests. Japanese already called XIII's port, a 'betryal'. You should check out the news from Japanese front when the rumour of its cancellation was out. None of them want it on 360, and nor does any other PS3 owner.

And no offense, but no one wants to waste 59.99 dollars on gimped down, butchered game, unlike you and the other 360 owners who will whip out 100 RS for a cheap pirated DVD. People like me will have to pay around 6000 RS for a legit disc. It is only logical for Japanese people (Where the game will cost just the same), and the rest of us PS3 owners to show our displeasure at their ventures; we all want decent games for our money. Hey, that's why I bought a PS3 in the first place...decent games.

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The Versus engine is made for multiplatform purpose and developing it/ porting it to the 360 shouldn't take up much resources. The increased sale will definitely mean more profit for SE. So I don't see a reason why not. Also considering that FF XIII and XIII-2 made their way to the 360 only makes it seem inevitable.

Also, if you see previous trends, high profile gaming companies are just not making exclusives any more unless there is a sack of money involved. Just take a look at Konami, Capcom and Namco. All have turned majorly into multiplatform developers.

So porting a game over will magically happen itself, without any labour at all? SE employees have pay scales higher than Sony even. Do you think this labour comes cheap? That is just one of the things, we don't even know for sure how much this crystal tools - if it is crystal tools - is optimized for both the consoles, as this game is made from the ground up on PS3. Meaning, it will be using a lot of additional tools specific for the system. And all of that will simply be copy pasted over to 360, just like that? Without any cost factors whatsoever? Yeah right.

Check out one of the links I gave about the development costs. GTAIV sits at one with about 80million. Even though it is a multiplatform game. Still didn't make it cheap for them. Clearly the architectural difference between the two consoles creates some sort of transitional hazards for the companies, or else devs wouldn't be crying about porting costs and praising Wii U for being cheap in this department instead.

Previous TRENDS with Nomura say otherwise. He doesn't want this game on 360, otherwise he would have said so. Wada doesn't want it on 360, otherwise, this E3, they would've burst our well-kept bubbles already. And as for Capcom, Lost planet is not on PS3, now is it? Namco's Vesperia was a timed exclusive, and it's not even available for PS3 outside Japan. So that point is pure speculation at best. It shows that even third party devs can choose to make exclusives.

 

[Gizmo]

Dude, you are so out of touch with this, aren't you? This is a logic, because it is one of the highlights of their 2011 fiscal years loses; dwindling public interests. Japanese already called XIII's port, a 'betryal'. You should check out the news from Japanese front when the rumour of its cancellation was out. None of them want it on 360, and nor does any other PS3 owner.

It's like I said, Fanboys will be fanboys, you can't let them get in the way of progress, or making money.

And no offense, but no one wants to waste 59.99 dollars on gimped down, butchered game, unlike you and the other 360 owners who will whip out 100 RS for a cheap pirated DVD. People like me will have to pay around 6000 RS for a legit disc. It is only logical for Japanese people (Where the game will cost just the same), and the rest of us PS3 owners to show our displeasure at their ventures; we all want decent games for our money. Hey, that's why I bought a PS3 in the first place...decent games.

Gimped down and butchered? And I suppose all those other award winning multiplatforms games are the same? They've been butchered because of the 360? FF XIII would have been the exact same even if it was a PS3 exclusive.There are hundreds of amazing multiplatform games out there including large scale RPGs that push the standards of gaming.It's not the 360's fault that Square can't make good games anymore.

 

[sshah]

^ No they are not fanboys, they care about the money they spend; completely logical.

Really, it would've been? They cut down a hell lot of content to fit in those crappy DVDs. The game got extremely linear because of it. It's the same content that is resurfacing as XIII-2, and now XIII-3 even faster than home made soda. SE themselves accepted this. On purely computational side of things, Any game made from the ground up on PS3 >>>>>>> from the ground up on 360. No contest. Turn this into a console war if you feel like it, but 360 exclusives must be an acquired taste.

PS3 is able to handle several actions/instances on screen with amazing physics, better environment textures, better skin textures, so on and so forth. If they had kept all these things intact in XIII - 360 version looks horrible with missing skin textures, horrible textural work in general, washed out colours, choppy frame rates - on Ps3, and not given into MS's polity of making multiplatform games look better or the same - yes, there is a policy - on their console, none of this would have happened. Let's face it Bluray >>>>>>>>>> HD DVD. And you still think this is fanboyism? In your opinion.

And btw, Versus XIII is not using Crystal Tools, it uses a heavily altered version of it built specifically for PS3, and Nomura calls it Versus Tools. There you have it, any remaining chances of the so-called 'it is a multiplatform engine blah blah blah blah' should be squished by now.

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I thought you were leaving the thread after Chandoo's words of wisdom?