General Football Discussion

[SEvolution]

Different circumstances require different actions. Arsenal have lost a few very good players in the last 5 years however, we have also signed and groomed players into much better players. You see, unlike United, Arsenal haven't won a trophy in 8 years yet we still have managed to attract A list players to our club this season. Giroud, Podolski, Cazorla. etc. If you still say that Wenger is a piss poor negotiator, I feel sorry for you. Seriously, you must need help. I thought and hoped you were smarter than this, seriously but if anything the last 6 months; I have truly been proven wrong.

Now I will tell you this in a simpler language. Arsenal trophies nahi jeetta. Man Utd jeetta hai. Utd ka salary structure behtaar hai. Utd ke pas zyada possibilities hain to attract better players. Arsenal ne lekin is saal bhot alaa players khareede hain. Utd not so much.

As for the Cazorla vs Kagawa issue. They are both very different players. Cazorla delivered superb performances with a poor team while Kagawa was playing in a superb team surrounded by fabulous players. I hardly count that as a fair matchup. It's like trying to compare a bolton player to a City one. Cazorla by the way is more flexible, has better speed, has better passing rate, is more mature and composed, and has more experience and he has delivered on the top level. Kagawa, not there yet.

P.S Shary please think before you post again.

Spot on adding to your point under 20M mark on one side you get Cazorla (who has experience+oppurtunity to play an influential role) and on the other side a guy coming from the most successful club in the German history plus Klopp's famous star studded squad as of now (Reus, Gotze, Hummels, Lewandowski, Subotic).

Malaga never would've sold this guy if they weren't facing these bankruptcy issue.

 

[cobby]

i agree with shary that wenger is piss poor in negotiations , history tells how many targets wenger slipped away and still cry about them still he talks some times to press about how close he was signing ibrahamvoic , ronaldo , drogba etc etc .

After saving 5 year of paisa , arsenal has finally splash some cash in market , remember last season panic button he signed yossi benayoun and arteta and whole arsenal fans were pissed after getting so much cash we have signed just these two .
Arsenal fans can cheer about carazola n podolski after all they have signed these two after so many years .But what real thing matters is where will wenger play them he always like to ruin carriers by playing players out of position .

and arsenal fans talking about man utd transfer buys , well market hasnt ended yet and we could snap 1-2 real talents

---------- Post added at 07:57 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:52 PM ----------

Spot on adding to your point under 20M mark on one side you get Cazorla (who has experience+oppurtunity to play an influential role) and on the other side a guy coming from the most successful club in the German history plus Klopp's famous star studded squad as of now (Reus, Gotze, Hummels, Lewandowski, Subotic).

Malaga never would've sold this guy if they weren't facing these bankruptcy issue.

and these star studded guys weren't bought off , they developed at club and matured there ,they were unknown before they were at bourssia they developed as unit and took club back on top , plus these guys are all young and hungry to learn more . Cazorla might take more time to settle in england cause of style of play here .

 

[Raza7154]

arsenal have been better than united this summer... they've managed to hold on to rvp top of the list.... i haven't seen a lot of giroud to be making comments on him.... as for podolski, i'm not overly confident about his future here... he's been an on again off again player, was completely useless in the euros this season and has never really been a club player.... signing him cheap from a relegation doomed club isn't really stellar negotiation but still a decent enough signing....

cazorla however has been the transfer move of the year for arsenal (assuming they keep rvp)... he's an incredible player and to get him at that price when the likes of downing and carroll were bought for 55m, is something noteworthy....

as for the kagawa vs cazorla debate, that's one of the most idiotic comparisons i've seen since the rooney vs iniesta debate some time ago.... but once again, considering it's SoulHunter, i wouldn't bank too much on it.... the guy can compare casillas to messi and it won't be too stupid for him

---------- Post added at 08:36 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:34 PM ----------

[MENTION=11105]SEvolution[/MENTION]

so you're saying, being voted the player of the year in a league with the likes of robben, ribery, gomez, schweinsteiger, gotze doesn't count for anything?

 

[SEvolution]

arsenal have been better than united this summer... they've managed to hold on to rvp top of the list.... i haven't seen a lot of giroud to be making comments on him.... as for podolski, i'm not overly confident about his future here... he's been an on again off again player, was completely useless in the euros this season and has never really been a club player.... signing him cheap from a relegation doomed club isn't really stellar negotiation but still a decent enough signing....

cazorla however has been the transfer move of the year for arsenal (assuming they keep rvp)... he's an incredible player and to get him at that price when the likes of downing and carroll were bought for 55m, is something noteworthy....

as for the kagawa vs cazorla debate, that's one of the most idiotic comparisons i've seen since the rooney vs iniesta debate some time ago.... but once again, considering it's SoulHunter, i wouldn't bank too much on it.... the guy can compare casillas to messi and it won't be too stupid for him

---------- Post added at 08:36 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:34 PM ----------

@SEvolution

so you're saying, being voted the player of the year in a league with the likes of robben, ribery, gomez, schweinsteiger, gotze doesn't count for anything?

Here you put some sense and that is why i keep you as a good footy discussing friend.

Shary Bhallu TC iski post perh phirse aur samajh Soulhunter k troll ko itna lamba q khench dia?

and who said it doesn't count for nothing indeed i do admire snapping up this guy too early was a good move by united but your fellow nancies tell me wenger failed to snap him you know the reason really well.

Further, comparing this guy to cazorla is a joke. Kagawa was better for dortmund in previous season and bundesliga but dortmund while selling this guy still are confident as there resides a genius named Klopp who has developed a squad blending 10% seniors and 90% (19-23 aged) guys can create other guys might be better guys than kagawa compare it to Malaga and Monte you'll get your answer here who has the best eye for talent this season and 'negotiating skills'

---------- Post added at 08:55 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:47 PM ----------

FT Manutd 0-0 Velegerena

Not a much impressive 2nd half by Manutd. Velegerena were well organized at back.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL yeh velegerana kaun hai bhai?

Vidic is back btw and the captain's armband too.

 

[cobby]

30 mn pound for lucas moura a player who hasn't played in Europe , is gonna be huge risky buy for man utd , comparing the last braz/south americans we have bought non has step up to full potential , anderson , keleberson , apart from silva twins cause they were cheap , non has able to fill up the price tag .

Instead of 30 mn on moura we should have splashed those 30 mn on gotze , fingers crossed for moura deal he might be good but 30 mn is to much

 

[Raza7154]

considering malaga are an inch from bankruptcy, it's not all down to wenger's people skills for cazorla's price-tag.... spotting a clearly unhappy player, and making a move for him before others is commendable, but i think we are giving wenger a little too much credit over here.... he's still not addressed one of the biggest holes in the arsenal team... a defender.... there's still a month left, granted, but there has to be a reason why arsenal haven't won a title since the departure of vieira? arsenal need steel in their team... vermaelen is too injury prone to provide that

 

[talalthegreat]

UNITED INCH CLOSER TO LUCAS DEAL

[MENTION=12579]Shary Bhallu TC[/MENTION]. Is Skysports reliable enough for you? This shit is serious. Ferguson didn't show up for the friendly and was believed to be dealing with Sao Paulo. Some sources claim that he is already set for the medical.

I agree with [MENTION=801]cobby[/MENTION] though. I know this guy is gifted, but to pay 30m for a youngster with no Premiel.r League experience is a gamble I must say. European football is very different from South American footbal

 

[SEvolution]

considering malaga are an inch from bankruptcy, it's not all down to wenger's people skills for cazorla's price-tag.... spotting a clearly unhappy player, and making a move for him before others is commendable, but i think we are giving wenger a little too much credit over here.... he's still not addressed one of the biggest holes in the arsenal team... a defender.... there's still a month left, granted, but there has to be a reason why arsenal haven't won a title since the departure of vieira? arsenal need steel in their team... vermaelen is too injury prone to provide that

omarko was joking around this situation on fb :lol: 'attack is the best defence' wah wenger wah! defenders chahiye they aur 3 signing mein 1 bhi nahi anyways at least 2 defenders and verminator is the baws.

plus united should be worried about defense too instead of spending 30m on moura buy a decent replacement for Evra and classy backup for Rio else city will take it to the another level after 6-1. Just depending on Vidic after that 8month injury leave i'm not sure how much time he will take to retain form plus it's de gea at the back now so too much work needed by the back four already.

 

[Raza7154]

evans was phenomenal last season and has proved to be dependable following the horror seasons he's had in the past.... i'd say we have enough cover with the likes of smalling, jones, evans, rio and vida.... the left back slot is indeed a worry... evra was shite this season.... and since fabio's out on loan, and fryers departure to spuds, that is a huge hole.... let's see what fergie can do to address that situation....

moura is a wonder-kid and an incredible new signing(assuming he DOES sign)... but is he worth 30m? that remains to be seen.... we've been monitoring him for a long long time now so let's see how he turns up....

as for de gea, i have complete and utter faith in him.... he was very nervous at the start of last season but was absolutely incredible from december onwards.... he had the highest saves to shot ratio in the entire league.... he had some horror moments but it was his first season in an incredibly physical league.... with the right guidance, he can shine at this club.... so no worries at all there

 

[Ashhad]

Waisay pehlay brazilians ki baat ho rahi thi...why does everyone forget about ramires...he is one hell of a player you know


Sent from my iPhone 4s using Tapatalk

 

[hmir]

usain Bolt dominated the 100m last night and won it setting an olympic record time!

I know, wrong thread, but VIVA LA JAMAICA!!!!

 

[cobby]

fergie has said that he will buy LB and me think leighton baines will be coming to man utd from everton . His price tag has gone little up but after we snap up moura from sau paulo for huge huge risky fee we will go for other targets like baines

 

[Ashhad]

usain Bolt dominated the 100m last night and won it setting an olympic record time!

I know, wrong thread, but VIVA LA JAMAICA!!!!

Bolt wants to play for united and this news is authentic...he is serious about it


Sent from my iPhone 4s using Tapatalk

 

[AbbY]

usain Bolt dominated the 100m last night and won it setting an olympic record time!

I know, wrong thread, but VIVA LA JAMAICA!!!!

I couldn't see it due to the shitty Ramzan timings, but if he made a world record in Beijing 2008, how did he make an Olympic record without making a World Record in London 2012 -__-

 

[Raza7154]

the current world record isn't the one set in Beijing 08. he broke it himself in the world championship games in 09

---------- Post added at 10:38 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:36 PM ----------

I couldn't see it due to the shitty Ramzan timings, but if he made a world record in Beijing 2008, how did he make an Olympic record without making a World Record in London 2012 -__-

the current world record isn't the one set in Beijing 08. he broke it himself in the world championship games in 09

 

[Ashhad]

Edit.....something went wrong with my post

 

[hmir]

That's why I said Olympic record, and not World record. It's still some feat, and this one is about 5/100ths of a second slower than the world record that he set at the 09 Championships.

Ramzan timings? I What? Simple solution - don't fast. <.< >.>

 

[Ashhad]

That's why I said Olympic record, and not World record. It's still some feat, and this one is about 5/100ths of a second slower than the world record that he set at the 09 Championships.

Ramzan timings? I What? Simple solution - don't fast. <.< >.>

Yes ramadan timings get in the way but not fasting isnt the answer. That reply by you was either filled with sarcasm or dumbness


Sent from my iPhone 4s using Tapatalk

 

[AbbY]

That's why I said Olympic record, and not World record. It's still some feat, and this one is about 5/100ths of a second slower than the world record that he set at the 09 Championships.

Ramzan timings? I What? Simple solution - don't fast. <.< >.>

Right! My bad.

Doesn't change office timings, fast or no fast.

 

[SEvolution]

-Moratti: PSG have bid €45m for Lucas

Inter Milan president Massimo Moratti has claimed that Paris St Germain have offered Sao Paulo €45 million for in-demand midfielder Lucas Moura, a fee he believes is "completely illogical".

"We would never have gone up to that sum," Moratti told Sky Sport Italia. "In any case, there are no regrets that we didn't finish off the move, as the cost was already pretty high a few days ago.
"The €45 million that PSG offered is completely illogical and for us it would have been very out of key with our approach.
"PSG are starting a new era, so they are completely reconstructing the squad. At least I can relish the fact I'm saving money."

-Inter Milan president Massimo Moratti claims Paris Saint Germain have lodged a €45million (£35.7million) bid for Sao Paulo starlet Lucas Moura. [Sky Sports]

So it's confirmed PSG are in the race to land moura now and Sao Paolo has made it clear they will release this guy for better offer. I don't think United will dare challenge PSG to land this guy at OT as moratti has also expressed that's insane amount of money for 19yo.