Forcing ppl to go on tableegh for 40 days and forcing them to pray is Wrong which ever way u spin it.
Its a very weak excuse "Doing this for you" i mean who the fuck made u the "thekedar" of someone's life?
Dealing with tableeghi people at your door...
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Its a very weak excuse "Doing this for you" i mean who the fuck made u the "thekedar" of someone's life?
Allah Made All of Us Thekadar of Islam!
*AL-QURAN* Tum wo behtreen Umat ho jise logo k liey nikala gaya Tum naiki ka hukam dete ho badi se rokte ho or Allah pr Iman rakhte ho... AL-IMRAN. V#110
First of All they will never ask you to go for 40 Days Until you Mentally accept that this is right and you are willing to go for it! The Maximum they will ask you at Door Step is 'Brother it will be Great if you can Spent Sometime with us in Masjid for Bayan and Stuff' Thats All.So do you think if they are asking you to Pray or Sit in Bayan is wrong then i am Sorry !
I asked who made them the thekedaar of someone's life where they can force ppl to pray and force ppl to go on tableegh under the pretense "Doing it for you" as u said
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Since we all believe that Prophet Mohammad (S.A.W.W) was the last Prohpet and there is no one else coming to Spread the Din of Islam,So being a Muslim its a responsibility of every person to continue Spreading Islam like Sahabs and Prophet Mohammad (S.A.W.W) did.
By 'Doing it for you' I mean what Benefit he will be getting by inviting you for prayers? He came to your House leaving all his work,family and life just to invite you for the Bayan or Prayers...He will not be getting any money or anything regarding this,But by inviting you his heart will be Learning some new,He will Start praying for you that Allah i gave your Message to this guy..Now its your Responsibility to Give him Hidayat!
By 'Doing it for you' I mean what Benefit he will be getting by inviting you for prayers? He came to your House leaving all his work,family and life just to invite you for the Bayan or Prayers...He will not be getting any money or anything regarding this,But by inviting you his heart will be Learning some new,He will Start praying for you that Allah i gave your Message to this guy..Now its your Responsibility to Give him Hidayat!
Whatever reason he is doing it for isnt anyone's concern except if he is forcing ppl to pray and forcing them to go on Tableegh for 40 days under the pretense of "Doing it for you" which is flawed
Er No?
Ur posting hadith after hadith without addressing the one thing i quoted from ur original post
To which i said Who the fuck do they think they are to force anyone to do anything.
(this is ofcourse in case where the guy being preached to isnt interested in what ur selling)
Forcing doesn't mean they will put a gun to your temple or threaten to kill your family in case you refuse to go with them.
Forcing, in this context, stands for 'peechay par jana aur tanzia batein karna' which is equally as bad and definitely not recommended. People who follow this technique of preaching are doing themselves, this act of preaching and their religion a huge disservice.
Yes obviously
Gun rukh do phir to "Sir chalain 40 kya 80 days ki tableegh kartay hain" :tv:
[MENTION=1283]hasanJ[/MENTION] : I quoted all those Hadiths and Refrence just to prove my point!!! They are doing it for you!And they are the choosen One! Allah Chose them to Spread the Din,I think we should be thankful to them that they are atleast trying to remind us that we are muslims and as a Muslims we have to perform are duties accordingly!!!
I am sorry if i hurts anybuddy Feelings but we have to think about this Practice!!! And in my opinioin I think they are right!
I am sorry if i hurts anybuddy Feelings but we have to think about this Practice!!! And in my opinioin I think they are right!
Im not debating the points raised in the hadiths
My sole point is the one I quoted from ur original post
And as i said " Doing it for you" is a weak argument when talking about forcing someone
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I have major major reservations against the concept of 'doing it for you' or 'better than us'
I dont want anyone to do it for me, Allah has given me enough brain and body that I can take care of it myself. Thank you very much.
I go to a doctor when I feel unwell, I go to a shop when I want to buy something and I go to kitchen when I want to eat something. The exact same thing is true to religion. When I want to explore religion, I will do it on my own. Imagine if some group came to your house representing a company and asked for money and said JOIN US (all the freaking time) and pushed you and tried to sweet talk you, and labeled you stuff when you didnt buy their product...what then? is anyone going to let them make a decision for me?? Take away my right?
Islam, in my opinion, has NEVER EVER tried to convince people. Presenting someone with information (invitation) and convincing (pushing) someone to follow them are two completely different things.
They are not chosen ones, nor are they special, nor are they any better than us. It is between ME and MY GOD ONLY. He knows best, who is better. No one knows what my 'neeyat' is when praying, and no one knows what their's is. They are just like me, you and everyone else.
Most of us, Pakistanis, are too emotionally attached to religion to see past what they are really selling. Anyone saying anything else is labelled a 'kafir'/'baaghi'/'hidayat nahi mili' in a heartbeat
The are using the name of religion to recruit people for their cause, that's it. And history is filled with these examples. I am not saying all of them are bad people, but the concept is flawed. Again no hard feelings, just my opinion.
I dont want anyone to do it for me, Allah has given me enough brain and body that I can take care of it myself. Thank you very much.
I go to a doctor when I feel unwell, I go to a shop when I want to buy something and I go to kitchen when I want to eat something. The exact same thing is true to religion. When I want to explore religion, I will do it on my own. Imagine if some group came to your house representing a company and asked for money and said JOIN US (all the freaking time) and pushed you and tried to sweet talk you, and labeled you stuff when you didnt buy their product...what then? is anyone going to let them make a decision for me?? Take away my right?
Islam, in my opinion, has NEVER EVER tried to convince people. Presenting someone with information (invitation) and convincing (pushing) someone to follow them are two completely different things.
They are not chosen ones, nor are they special, nor are they any better than us. It is between ME and MY GOD ONLY. He knows best, who is better. No one knows what my 'neeyat' is when praying, and no one knows what their's is. They are just like me, you and everyone else.
Most of us, Pakistanis, are too emotionally attached to religion to see past what they are really selling. Anyone saying anything else is labelled a 'kafir'/'baaghi'/'hidayat nahi mili' in a heartbeat
The are using the name of religion to recruit people for their cause, that's it. And history is filled with these examples. I am not saying all of them are bad people, but the concept is flawed. Again no hard feelings, just my opinion.
Well entitlement to opinion doesn't mean that you declare the fundamentals of an idea to be flawed without having basic knowledge.
Its not the matter of opinion if Islam tried to convince people but fact starting from its advent. History is really filled with examples of people like us (at least me) who had the nerves to point fingers at other without having their own life style under consideration.
I happened to have an opportunity to observe closely fellows from tableeghi jamat. Their conduct was exceptional and manners better than most of ideal and educated people. Neither did they sell me their product nor did press me to do anything. Uh, and I am still not recruited into their network. Your thoughts actually appear to be an amalgamation of after effects of the scenario in Pakistan where trust is a lost commodity people tend to stay away from phenomenon they are afraid of having an effect of.
You wont believe the number of text I receive and each one linked with Hazrat Ali RA. So do you have a proper reference? Since I always believed knowledge is of no use if kept to oneself.
Islam is NOT a personal matter, it is a societal matter. Many harbor the misconception that it is between them and Allah only, no.
It is the responsibility of good Muslims to promote Islam to prevent "gumrahi" of people. In-fact, this is a responsibility of the government itself but Pakistani leadership ka Allah hi hafiz hai.
It is the responsibility of good Muslims to promote Islam to prevent "gumrahi" of people. In-fact, this is a responsibility of the government itself but Pakistani leadership ka Allah hi hafiz hai.
@All : You guys Misunderstood the meaning of 'Doing it for you' Kindly refer all the Context and Hadiths in the Same post and try to understand!
Please Explain me one thing !There are Millions of Muslims around the world ,but only few of them get the Chance to Offer Prayers ... For Most of Us its difficult to pray Namaz in Mosque ,Leave the Mosque some of us not even Pray it on time ! So if we cannot Practice the Basic requirement to be a Good Muslim on time ,then why Blaming Some one who are doing it right? is it really Difficult to leave your Houses for 3 Days? if Yes then how will you Leave for Jihad if you cannot Participate in a Small Practice of Learning Islam!
Most of the Guys are Quoting that they are propogating a Network for there own Good Deeds...So Let me Tell you one thing...Yes they are doing the Propoganda for Learning and Spreading the Islam and preparing for Jihad!Jihad Against Kuffar!!! Not with any Shia/Sunni/Baravali/Blah Blah!
There is no God except Allah and Prophet Mohammad (S.A.W) is his Last Prophet ! If You Believe in this then you are Muslim! if not then you are welcome to Join any Club of Sects!
Islam does not allow us to say any Muslim a Kaafir,Its between him and Allah ! we have no right to Judge anyone and Label him as Kafir!
Peace!
Please Explain me one thing !There are Millions of Muslims around the world ,but only few of them get the Chance to Offer Prayers ... For Most of Us its difficult to pray Namaz in Mosque ,Leave the Mosque some of us not even Pray it on time ! So if we cannot Practice the Basic requirement to be a Good Muslim on time ,then why Blaming Some one who are doing it right? is it really Difficult to leave your Houses for 3 Days? if Yes then how will you Leave for Jihad if you cannot Participate in a Small Practice of Learning Islam!
Most of the Guys are Quoting that they are propogating a Network for there own Good Deeds...So Let me Tell you one thing...Yes they are doing the Propoganda for Learning and Spreading the Islam and preparing for Jihad!Jihad Against Kuffar!!! Not with any Shia/Sunni/Baravali/Blah Blah!
There is no God except Allah and Prophet Mohammad (S.A.W) is his Last Prophet ! If You Believe in this then you are Muslim! if not then you are welcome to Join any Club of Sects!
Islam does not allow us to say any Muslim a Kaafir,Its between him and Allah ! we have no right to Judge anyone and Label him as Kafir!
Peace!
I have met with, stayed with and spent quiet a bit of time actually with them. So when I do point my finger, it is due to this personal experience and knowledge. Branding someone's opinion 'without having basic knowledge' is judging without knowing. While defending their behavior, you jumped to conclusions and branded my opinion as 'amalgamation'.
Remember this line that I said:
I have studied nearly all sects and practices deeply ( I have gone on seh rozas and stuff) and not just out of personal preferences but scientifically and analytically gone though most of the literature. But I never claim to be a mufti, cleric, mulvi, etc
The reason why I wrote convincing(pushing) in bracket was me pointing to the fact that convincing can be done without pushing people.
I wrote what I found in my research and experience.
Again, I dont have problem with people (as I stated in my post), I have the problem with someone trying to interfere between me and my beliefs unnecessarily.
PG doesn't allow religious thread, thus I am going to try not to derail it.
I am going to quote just a few small ayats, if anyone wants to understand then please read them with an open mind. I will now shut up cause this is not the right platform to argue about religion, nor do I care about my opinion being the final statement.
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They are a nuisance, nothing more IMO. Coming at most inappropriate times and when I am doing something important I have to stand and listen to their 5-10 minutes of "TAPE RECORDING" type speech.
I am a Muslim, I know what's right and wrong. If you so like to preach then go to Non Muslim countries and preach there and get ready to face the hardships that come with it like Our Prophet P.B.U.H faced when he preached to Non Muslims.
Or at the very least go to villages, trust me 99% of the villagers don't even know Kalma, they never Fast, never offer Prayers (even Jummah which we citizens do mostly) and know how to recite Quran.
On top of that, these so called preachers aren't very good Muslim themselves. No one becomes a true believer by just increasing your beard and rounding streets hitting bells without knowing what they may be doing. If I want to hear tableegh, I can do it online very easy or I will go to a mosque. I don't need these so called mostly uneducated "Molvis" on my door to know what Islam and being Muslim is.
I am a Muslim, I know what's right and wrong. If you so like to preach then go to Non Muslim countries and preach there and get ready to face the hardships that come with it like Our Prophet P.B.U.H faced when he preached to Non Muslims.
Or at the very least go to villages, trust me 99% of the villagers don't even know Kalma, they never Fast, never offer Prayers (even Jummah which we citizens do mostly) and know how to recite Quran.
On top of that, these so called preachers aren't very good Muslim themselves. No one becomes a true believer by just increasing your beard and rounding streets hitting bells without knowing what they may be doing. If I want to hear tableegh, I can do it online very easy or I will go to a mosque. I don't need these so called mostly uneducated "Molvis" on my door to know what Islam and being Muslim is.
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