[Aurora] ROUNDTABLE - Why has 360 succeed in Pakistan while PS3 failed?

[Necrokiller]

Pretty much all points presented in the article are valid. In Pakistan, piracy rules all so its no surprise that Xbox 360 is doing well. But its surprising that at the same time people are willing to pay to play online.

But really, you get what you pay for. For someone interested in Blu-ray movies, there really isn't a better deal out there as the PS3 works better than most stand-alone Blu-ray players. You don't get that with the 360. X360 also doesn't have built-in wifi. I have my entire movie/music library wirelessly synced to my PS3 whereas my PC is upstairs in my room. It doesn't get better than that. You don't get that in the X360, unless you pay $100 more for it. If you really start comparing now, an Xbox 360 with enough features to compete with PS3 is just as expensive as the PS3 itself. PS3 also has enough first party exclusives which kick ass. So it boils down to what the user wants. Sure a price cut would help a great deal, but it also offers alot more to the people who pay the price premium for it.

 

[Chandoo]

blu ray movies, wi fi etc are all needless tacked on things, no one gives two cents about them.

you've carefully missed out the most important thing about these devices, THE GAMES . An average Pakistani is in no position to pay 5000 rs per game, that more than makes up for "free online".

 

[GoldenHawk]

and i am the real banhammer, watch your posts.


360 is the best selling console in Pakistan BY FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR, i dont see what the problem is.

If ur 360 died on the first day u bought it ud b sayin the same thing.

 

[radd]

your died, not mine. do you see me hawking 360 as the most reliable hardware ever? cause i bought mine some 2.5 years ago.

 

[GoldenHawk]

Ur time will come ull b singin a different tune after throwing ur 360 outta ur bedroom window beacuse its giving you the red stop sign every time you turn it on and as far as "the banhammer" goes even you cant ban me for giving my opinion which is based on my past experience with the 360

 

[SolitarySoldier]

^ Easy there bro .

It's obvious that 360 is not much reliable when it comes to harware prospect but people prefer it mainly because of piracy and they know thier console will last more than a year on average or 1.5 years indeed which is quiet a big time to play tons of pirated games. Some of them are lucky enough to cross 2 years and i think it's a great period of cheapy games. Problem is to buy it again when it finally dies. Some people manage to do it, some turns over to other consoles or PC.

Me think if PS3 had piracy, i would be selling more than any current-gen console in our country. Cheap games, free online play and better first party can make PS3 a better choice but... piracy in PS3 very unlikely.

So... you do not have any other choice but to get a 360 (Note: Wii isn't considered as a choice.) unless you feel happy to play few games online/offline on PS3( I feel great :8) or you really got a lot of $$$$.

 

[Necrokiller]

blu ray movies, wi fi etc are all needless tacked on things, no one gives two cents about them.

No shocker coming from you... you learn to hate anything you can't have

you've carefully missed out the most important thing about these devices, THE GAMES . An average Pakistani is in no position to pay 5000 rs per game, that more than makes up for "free online".

Wait.. didn't I say its no surprise it sells more coz of piracy?
You are sorely mistaken if you think an average Paki in these times can even afford a 360 :mental

For that matter, an average Pakistani is still happy with a PS2. :lol: In your very own words: "you can find more kids/adults shopping for ps2's or ps2 games in any given day in saddar, even today."

 

[radd]

beta if youre talking of your experience, mention IN MY EXPERIENCE. next time a quotation like this..

"THE 360 IS JUST A PRETENDER THE PS3 IS THE REAL NEXT-GEN CONSOLE "

will net you a warning.


btw, why was this in quotes anyways? hahaha

 

[Chandoo]

No shocker coming from you... you learn to hate anything you can't have

wait .. what ? :S

do i really need to tell you how pathetic the implimentation rate of any form of next-gen optical medium in pakistan is ? :S

oh wait, you're just being a retard for being a retard's sake

You are sorely mistaken if you think an average Paki in these times can even afford a 360

For that matter, an average Pakistani is still happy with a PS2.

In your very own words: "you can find more kids/adults shopping for ps2's or ps2 games in any given day in saddar, even today."

topic's about the 360 in comparison to the PS3 and Wii, and in that comparison a 360 is a much easier investment, hell it's basically like a PC, you invest in it once after that you have practically free games, unlike the PS3. Or if you're lucky or a smart shopper like me, you can buy a 360 for the same price as a PS2 , hell if i remember Radd's 360 also cost him 15k, and that was 2 years ago.

and yeah it's no surprise the PS2 is still the most commonly sought after console in Pakistan, it's just that awesome, but when the average ps2 owner wants to take the next step, the 360 is the next logical step, not the ps3, or the wii, just look at me and my purchase cycle.

 

[Necrokiller]

Oh bhai I presented a simple logic, that you get what you pay for. And for people who are interested in those features I mentioned, then PS3 does provide you alot of goodies. (now x360 isnt giving you more at a lesser price). I mentioned some scenarios where it works flawlessly for me. I don't need a HTPC in my lounge...I can just wirelessly sync and watch all my videos or listen to music through my PS3. And really, if no PS3 owner is using all those features to its full potential, then it was a poor investment. And I also don't have to force my setup in a place where I can easily connect my Ethernet wire. Really you can't say wi-fi is a useless thing. Thats ridiculous man.

Is it bang for buck? At this point, most certainly not. And I never even said one must buy the PS3 coz of those features. You just got defensive for no reason. To put it into perspective, compare the features of an Elite to an Arcade, then its price. So Arcade is a most basic, or in other words dumbed down version of the Elite, which has more features and its price is near that of a PS3. Get it?

 

[Chandoo]

but that's exactly what my respond to the wi fi and blu ray was.

WHO NEEDS THOSE THINGS IN PAKISTAN lol.

we are a nation of 600 mb xvid rips, we are not keen on using wi fi etc. As far as "Pakistan" goes, those extra's are a waste and the bang for buck theory doesn't apply since most of the bang is completely needless by OUR standards.

Dude, you live in canada, we know ;p

 

[Necrokiller]

but that's exactly what my respond to the wi fi and blu ray was.

WHO NEEDS THOSE THINGS IN PAKISTAN lol.

we are a nation of 600 mb xvid rips, we are not keen on using wi fi etc. As far as "Pakistan" goes, those extra's are a waste and the bang for buck theory doesn't apply since most of the bang is completely needless by OUR standards.

Dude, you live in canada, we know ;p

I remember when I bought a 4GB Creative mp3 player YEARS AGO... everyone was like dude what the hell will you do with 4gb of songs? And now its pretty much a standard. So don't undermine yourself and our country dude. The rate of growth amongst people might be slower, but all those things are available in Pakistan. And people who can afford it can enjoy them. Just like you got a good deal and are enjoying a next-gen console. Warna no one really 'needs' a next-gen gaming console as well. Yeh sab shashkay bhi ameeron ke hain And yeah, Im in Canada...but someone with a router and a PS3 can do all that in Pakistan too. sarro toh mat

 

[Shyber]

Well, I bought the PS3 for its exclusives. Certain titles I couldn't live without.

It's nice that with just 100$ more, Sony is giving my WiFi and BluRay player. Wah, kia baat hai Sony ki. But I'd rather have those 100$ in my pocket, buy a couple of games more and leave the BluRay/Wifi as additional add ons which I might buy when I have enough spare cash. Thing is, Sony is not giving us an option. They're giving great value for the money we're spending but they're being dumb really. Perhaps Sony is just desperately pushing Bluray tech otherwise PS3 could've been an able console with a DVDrom only. Sure it's nice to have a bluray player and with the proper equipment, the bluray movies are fantastic to watch but I can do that on my PC.

Thing is, I don't need it. The Wifi and Bluray. I'm cautious about latencies and it's not recommended to use WiFi for gaming purposes. And I got my PC for Blurays. So, I'd rather have my 100$ back. Can I? No. Sony is losing money on this. MS is making money on this. Their accessories are over-priced. They're making money over it and at the same time giving the consumer an "option". That's intelligent.

 

[Necrokiller]

Dude, you seriously telling me besides movies you will never see benefits of Blu-ray in games? No really, are you being serious? MGS4 HELLO? I agree, SOMETIMES its better to have an option. But then again they didn't care for it. In my opinion, its better this way. Now how stupid was the $200 HD-DVD add on on the X360? Wasn't it? They lost the war, and no one was looking forward to buy such an expensive add-on anyway. And don't complain about Wi-Fi...these consoles were never targetted for our Country anyway.... and in other countries, take it from my personal experience, playing online through wi-fi is the SAME as ethernet. That is why wi-fi is considered a huge feature..atleast in this part of the world..and hopefully there as well when internet speeds get better. In the long run, you will appreciate it that its all built-in..and not having to worry about add-ons. Add-ons add to the mess and is not aesthetically pleasing anyway

 

[r3aper]

ok so after reading through all 4 pages, it can easily be said that if you are a non-earning-student-type-gamer then 360 is the best bang for the buck for you!
But if you have some cash to spare why waste it on a console on which you can't game on for more than 2-3 hours, you have other choices which will return good value for your money.
If you are saying that a ps3 game costs 4 grands it refers to the fact that 360 is only good because it has teh force of the pirates with it?I mean what other reason you have to chose 360 over PS3?All you guys are talking about is piracy...and nothing else...

In the end it all depends how much heavy your wallet is...with cash ofcourse <__<

And btw what the heck is arsal talking about in the OP? :S weird!

 

[Chandoo]

And people who can afford it can enjoy them.

5 thousand rupees per every new game.

No dear, not everyone who isn't the son of a magistrate can enjoy this in Pakistan.

MGS4 HELLO?

MGS4 = 1 disc = 32 GB = 5000 rs.
Lost Odyssey = 4 discs = 28 GB = 350~400 rs depending on who you get it from.

where exactly does the advantage lie here ? :S

Thing is, I don't need it.

pretty much, that statement sums up most of the PS3's features nicely.

these consoles were never targetted for our Country anyway

so what's your point of argument then ? :S topic's about Pakistan, and since most of the PS3's key features are kinda useless in Pakistan, why bother.

Now how stupid was the $200 HD-DVD add on

yeah it was stupid, THAT'S WHY NO ONE FREAKING BOUGHT IT :lol:

Your arguments in this topic are compeltely off-base as far as Pakistan goes, as a Pakistani PS3 owner has already said pretty much the same thing I have about things being useless for the most part, don't bring the foreign perspective here, since that's not what we're talking about to begin with.

All you guys are talking about is piracy...and nothing else...

uh .. yeah ?

we are talking about the state of gaming in Pakistan afterall, we don't have any official releases of these things here, we take what we can get

 

[USUF]

why waste it on a console on which you can't game on for more than 2-3 hours

THIS....is a very common misconception about the Xbox 360 mai frend....

 

[r3aper]

THIS....is a very common misconception about the Xbox 360 mai frend....

^but phir bhi yar...you have that fear always dancing on your head...no?

we are talking about the state of gaming in Pakistan afterall,

state of gaming in Pakistan is somewhat different to the state of cash in YOUR wallet xD

we don't have any official releases of these things here, we take what we can get

even in the ps2 era many ppl used to buy official games, and nowadays ppl who can AFFORD it get original games be it a 360 or a PS3

I mean what other reason you have to chose 360 over PS3?All you guys are talking about is piracy...and nothing else...

Mujh ko jawab day dhakur!

 

[Chandoo]

^but phir bhi yar...you have that fear always dancing on your head...no?

No. No you don't. My 360 is nearly 8 months old now, i've been gaming relentlessly on it, hell i'd say in these 8 months my library and game time on the 360 is way higher than my respective ps2 time when it was 8 months old.

state of gaming in Pakistan is somewhat different to the state of cash in YOUR wallet xD

are you saying that buying 5000 rs games is a common practice ? really ?

even in the ps2 era many ppl used to buy official games, and nowadays ppl who can AFFORD it get original games be it a 360 or a PS3

care to name one active PAKISTANI person on PG who'd rather choose original 360 games over pirated one's ? :S with proof.

Mujh ko jawab day dhakur!

dude, that would take the topic to a whole new discussion level :lol: but here are a few quick one's, and remember, most of these are someone's personal preference based only, don't take these as canon.


- Better library of exclusives.
- Much bigger library of games
- Better versions of multiplat games
- Piracy (lol)
- Ease of availability and repairs if need be it.
- Cheaper base price point from the get to (completely excluding piracy, a base Arcade 360 is 200$ less than a PS3).


etc etc.

 

[USUF]

@ r3aper, almost 2 months have passed since i (myself) fixed the Xbox 360 and have been playing on Xbox LIVE since....Averaging over 6 hours a day...usually those six hours are spent in one sitting....