[Aurora] ROUNDTABLE - Why has 360 succeed in Pakistan while PS3 failed?

[Necrokiller]

5 thousand rupees per every new game.

Enough PS3 gamers on PG.

MGS4 = 1 disc = 32 GB = 5000 rs.
Lost Odyssey = 4 discs = 28 GB = 350~400 rs depending on who you get it from.
where exactly does the advantage lie here ? :S

The fact that you can't get MGS4 on X360 :lol:

pretty much, that statement sums up most of the PS3's features nicely.
don't bring the foreign perspective here, since that's not what we're talking about to begin with.

Foregin perspective? Really? I didn't know people there are SO backwards that they don't even use routers. Hell, I didn't know there is ONE PC per household now. Wasn't that like 10 years ago or something? And alot of people showing off their HDTVs here... and they can't watch blu-ray movies on it? You need to be in Canada to do all that? tum kabhi pakistan ko taraqqi nahi karne doh ge :lol:

And dude...im not arguing. I stated the reasons why PS3 is expensive... and you just backfired for no reason.

 

[GoldenHawk]

My 360 rrod when i was on the very end of ME i was plain 4 2hrs straight the 360 dsnt exactly fail my adapter overheated followed by the menacing RLOD
so you playin a 360 4 6hrs straight is a very big NO.

 

[r3aper]

No. No you don't. My 360 is nearly 8 months old now, i've been gaming relentlessly on it, hell i'd say in these 8 months my library and game time on the 360 is way higher than my respective ps2 time when it was 8 months old.

Hmm thats sound great!
I myself will buy a 360 waiting for my studies to get over actually after BBA will get a new PC and then will get the 360 most prolly
So its not like i hate the 360 i am stating the facts......

are you saying that buying 5000 rs games is a common practice ? really ?

I wrote the word AFFORD in caps for a reason <_<

care to name one active PAKISTANI person on PG who'd rather choose original 360 games over pirated one's ? :S with proof.

I remember few threads in the marketplace....khair forget it

Bottom-line is(for me atleast) That a 360 is a wiser investment for an average paki gamer

Once you get a job that pays you well dont tell me you are not gonna buy a PS3?There are few games that just can't be missed!

 

[amaga]

1st of all,NOW we cant say that"ps3 is faliled in pak"

n 2ndly i agree with these point of 360's success

piracy
cheap consoles(19k)
n 360 arrived 1 year b4 ps3 too.thast y MS got good mart in pakistan too.

but thats true,ps3 lambi doorh ka ghora ha.as we all can see that NOW ps3 have aloot exclusives n v strong line up.n in next year we can see sum more excelent title.so y now we cant say that is fail in pak.^_^

 

[Shyber]

- Better library of exclusives.
- Much bigger library of games
- Better versions of multiplat games
- Piracy (lol)
- Ease of availability and repairs if need be it.
- Cheaper base price point from the get to (completely excluding piracy, a base Arcade 360 is 200$ less than a PS3).

- Better library of exclusives; Very subjective. I'd pick MGS4, Uncharted series, GOW, anything by Isomniac, Jaffe's projects, Ueda, Killzone2, Infamous etc together over anything else. You may add in Versus to this list till the time comes

- Much bigger library of games: Quality over quantity, anywhere and everywhere.

- Better versions of multiplat games : And to think you argue with PC gamers over resolutions and better filters Might've been an issue in the past but recently, for major releases, the differences are neglible.

- Piracy (lol) : Gold.

- Ease of availability and repairs if need be it: Erh what? The only ease might be the cost, otherwise on a hardware level the PS3 is a better quality machine.

- Cheaper base price point from the get to (completely excluding piracy, a base Arcade 360 is 200$ less than a PS3): Not just cheaper, but cheapest. IMO, that's what make everything about 360 so awesome. It's cheap with everything it gives!

We can argue on this forever. I mean, 360 isn't a complete solution for all my troubles. Though it's perfect for me to get to play the most games, on release, for almost free. The initial investment on the console was less than even my Speaker setup

But, I just can't live without a PS3. Over the years, I've developed a taste and liking for Sony first party titles. I still find its exclusives better, but that's my taste. What I need is a console that does everything a PS3 does, with a 360 like pad, DS3 like battery life and charging, piracy and proper ports and a price tag of 300$. Oh and cross game invites and voice chats on the PSN. Perfection achieved. For now, I'll have to keep BOTH, a PS3 and 360 to satisfy all my requirements.

PS: Right now you can buy any PS3 game seal pack for 4500Rs, used for anywhere between 1500 and 3500 and you can always sell you game back. So you can enjoy the PS3 games and not really have to be a wadera or something to "afford" it. Obviously piracy is best but the costs are rather manageable for any middle classer who's earning enough.

 

[Chandoo]

The fact that you can't get MGS4 on X360

you can also not get lost odyssey on the PS3, tit for tat ?

And dude...im not arguing. I stated the reasons why PS3 is expensive... and you just backfired for no reason.

there is no backfiring, just the list of your features for why a ps3 is "worthy" is pretty much non-existent for a pakistani. Which is what this topic is all about

Once you get a job that pays you well dont tell me you are not gonna buy a PS3?There are few games that just can't be missed!

dude once i get a job that pays, i'll be opening a saving's account, not spending 5000 rs each month for a PS3 game

and trust me, when shyber gets married in the coming months D) he'll stop gaming on the PS3 as well. Parewaar ki sewa sab se pehle.

- Much bigger library of games: Quality over quantity, anywhere and everywhere.

actually i'd use the ps2 vs xbox argument here, more quantity = more chance of quality items in there.

but recently, for major releases, the differences are neglible.

noooooooooot quite, look up ghost busters, also, the Vesperia PS3 demo that's out in the JPN PSN is actually a whole lotta pixels less than the 360 version, and ultra blurry (Quinix filtering) to boot.

The differences are still there.

DS3 like battery life

dude, you srsly need to buy a 500 rs chinese charger thing, the 360 pad eats up batteries like a fat girl eats cake. The battery pack is the way to go.

 

[r3aper]

dude once i get a job that pays, i'll be opening a saving's account, not spending 5000 rs each month for a PS3 game

ahh......nevermind!

I for one will not do the same.... <_<

 

[SolitarySoldier]

I totally agree with Shyber here. Some ppl just can't live without PS3 exclusives, same case with me. And getting PS3 games isn't such a big issue, it IS but not much as you can get PS3 games in Rs.1000 as well. Then there are some great exclusives of 2007 which cost only Rs.1500. Likewise, 2008 games cost around Rs.2500 and i think getting used games on PS3 is the best deal.

And yeah, just cut that Rs.5000 PS3 game philosophy. I never bought a Rs.5000 game on PS3, never. :8

just look at me and my purchase cycle.

Now that's your cycle and doesn't applies on anyone. Look at mine. I got PS3 after my golden PS2 time.

 

[Chandoo]

another benefit of the ps3 folks, wait 1 year for 1 thousand price reduction, wait 2 years for 2 thousand

 

[khasho]

well in word it can be understood why Xbox 360 succeeded : PIRACY

I like PS3 why because I am a big fan of japanese style of games and I love them specially.....Yakuza series....Metal Gear Solid 4...Loved Rogue galaxy and I think White Knight Chronicles series would be more awesome...Final Fantasy versus XIII not a fan of turn based rpgs....Demon Soul.....Afrika....also love Heavy Rain( One of the best adventure games I have seen )...Uncharted series......If all of these games are on Xbox360 than I would definitely buy it but that seems impossible.....not a fan of GOW series because i don't get mindless violence..but that is my opinion..

I only liked two Multiplatform games DMC 4 and RE5...both of them sucked big time...and i know RE5 better on 360 but RE5 is the worst resident evil I have ever played even though I played it 1000 times...I know RE6 will also suck...But that is only my opinion...

 

[Shyber]

you can also not get lost odyssey on the PS3, tit for tat ?

My dear God...tell me you just didn't call Lost Odyssey an MGS4 equivalent. :|
Lost Odyssey is mediocre at best bhai. Surely you know that. I hope it was a "lulz" thing, but it was too much for me to not comment on

and trust me, when shyber gets married in the coming months D) he'll stop gaming on the PS3 as well. Parewaar ki sewa sab se pehle.

Well, we'll see about that. I know how to manage my time

noooooooooot quite, look up ghost busters, also, the Vesperia PS3 demo that's out in the JPN PSN is actually a whole lotta pixels less than the 360 version, and ultra blurry (Quinix filtering) to boot.

Abey just watch them side by side yourself, not on some recording, and you'll see. Minute differences man, if you're such a perfectionist then I'll seriously recommend a PC to you

dude, you srsly need to buy a 500 rs chinese charger thing, the 360 pad eats up batteries like a fat girl eats cake. The battery pack is the way to go.

Nah, not a prob. I got some Sony Nickel Cads for it and they give 14 hours easily. Mind you, 14 hours means a week for me and having two sets with one on the cradle while other in the pad takes care of that.

 

[Chandoo]

Abey just watch them side by side yourself, not on some recording, and you'll see.

i did, actually, saw Vesperia shots straight out of the frame-buffer, and i can confirm that it was blurry as fuck, the 360 version has blur as well, but the ps3 demo was waaaaaaaay too much.

I'll seriously recommend a PC to you

I'm pretty sure neither vesperia, lost odyssey, or mgs 4 are available on the PC ;P

My dear God...tell me you just didn't call Lost Odyssey an MGS4 equivalent.

Lost Odyssey is mediocre at best bhai. Surely you know that. I hope it was a "lulz" thing, but it was too much for me to not comment on

it's the subjective library thing i mentioned in the original post

eg if you're usuf, and you have a PS3, you'll probably be cutting your wrist when you realize you can't haz recon on the PS3.

 

[Shyber]

it's the subjective library thing i mentioned in the original post

What?! You're serious?
And I was beginning to believe that you were neutral. If Lost Odyssey can be an MGS4 equivalent by being exclusive on the 360 then you're a brain-taste-bud dead fanboy

 

[Chandoo]

read this part again.

eg if you're usuf, and you have a PS3, you'll probably be cutting your wrist when you realize you can't haz recon on the PS3.

Just because you regard something as such, doesn't mean everyone else has to as well, i'm sure there are those RPG nuts out there who'd rather have LO than MGS4. Hell i've read a lot of people complain about MGS4 being an over rated POS as well not that i wouldn't want to play it if i had the opportunity to.


but then again, with you and MGS4, i'm sure saying anything like gears, GTA episodes, alan wake, splinter cell, halo (el o el) etc isn't going to be enough either.

 

[Nomad]

There is ONLY ONE reason why 360 is selling better than PS3 in Pakistan, PIRACY. Nothing else.
All those bigger library, more exclusives, trend, online, culture, better multiplatform or ANY other reason given does not matter AT ALL. Just answer a simple question

"If PS3 had piracy while 360 didn't, would you have bought a 360 instead of PS3?"

I don't think even Usuf would have bought a 360 in that case . He wouldn't have had much trouble saying goodbye to Halo :lol:



Considering how much piracy matters to us, it is really surprising how good PS3 is doing in Pakistan. Let's face it, NO console other than PS3 could have existed in Pakistan without piracy.
Calling it a failure is not justified in my opinion when even without piracy it is doing better than the best selling console in the world which does support piracy (for any brain dead person, I'm talking about Wii here).



As far as why 360 isn't as successful in Pakistan as PS2 is concerned, there are two reasons for that. One factor is brand recognition. And the other factor, which is even more important, is RROD.
People in Pakistan are just not as accustomed to 360 as they are to Playstations. After Playstation 1 and 2, Playstation has become another name for a game console (just like Saga used to be). Older people might get confused if you say console, but they would easily understand if you say Playstation. I know of instances when people had to be told that 360 is the Playstation from Microsoft :wink2:

When 360 was launched it started capturing the Pakistani market at a rapid pace, especially when PS3 wasn't pirated. But RROD gave it a really bad name. Almost every early 360 owner had to face RROD. No console before 360 had such a low durability rate. People want cheaper games, but they don't want to buy a new console every six months either. So in the period when 360 was supposed to gain popularity, it actually started gathering bad reputation as well.

Before launch of FALCON I visited many shops asking for 360 prices. Many of those shopkeepers told me that they have stopped selling 360s because it can fail within a month or even a week. Even the shopkeepers who had some in stock clearly said that they won't be responsible if it breaks.

I believe if 360 had launched with something as reliable as a Jasper it would have been a real success in Pakistan and it would have become a house hold name by now, just like a Playstation.

 

[Shyber]

read this part again.

eg if you're usuf, and you have a PS3, you'll probably be cutting your wrist when you realize you can't haz recon on the PS3.

Just because you regard something as such, doesn't mean everyone else has to as well, i'm sure there are those RPG nuts out there who'd rather have LO than MGS4. Hell i've read a lot of people complain about MGS4 being an over rated POS as well not that i wouldn't want to play it if i had the opportunity to.


but then again, with you and MGS4, i'm sure saying anything like gears, GTA episodes, alan wake, splinter cell, halo (el o el) etc isn't going to be enough either.

You're missing my whole point. Just talk about yourself. You prefer Lost Odyssey over MGS4?

And about Nomad's point, well, I think PS3 is the only machine ever in Pakistan that has made shopkeepers sell legit games at the scale they're selling it. Shops in Saddar, never before I had seen them set up so many "Genuine" games on their shelves before.

 

[Kane]

Yaar ek hi waja hai cheap gaming and thats all no need for qaseedas!

 

[CerebralTiger]

the 360 pad eats up batteries like a fat girl eats cake.

Fat Princess would like to have a word with you....

 

[USUF]

eg if you're usuf, and you have a PS3, you'll probably be cutting your wrist when you realize you can't haz recon on the PS3.

I don't think even Usuf would have bought a 360 in that case

. He wouldn't have had much trouble saying goodbye to Halo

Rofl, how am i dragged into such a mess by people is beyond me

I am just going to answer nomad bhai's post here....

I was actually all set to buy a PS2 back in 2005...But then my cousin from Canada came, bought his Xbox with him an showed me halo 2....

and i was sold....

Halo 1 was ok....But Halo 2 was ridiculous. I still think Halo 2 had a bigger impact upon me than Halo 3. Hardcore Halo fans will attest to that...

Even if i had a PS2 back then i would have still bought the Xbox for that game only...And thats just what i did. Even though i knew a little bit about the Xbox not having many/better games...It all comes down to preferrence...

Like Chandoo with his RE5, Nomad Bhia with his Crysis and Uncharted, and Fawad bhai with his MGS4....

I got some Sony Nickel Cads for it and they give 14 hours easily.

I got Energizer rechargeable batteries for 250, they last a little over 20 hours w/ vibration ON. And note that i only play shooters all that time... Hence alot more battery power is consumed....

 

[ace23]

For me Xbox 360 really stinks. I bought it a year ago and after 4 to 6 months it started showing errors (E73,E74........).Got it fixed for 7000 then after 2 months got rrod .Xbox 360 really sucks DONOT WASTE YOUR MONEY ON IT!!!!!Now im gonna throw it in the garbage:rip: and buy PS3.PS3 rulzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.