Are we defending Islam?

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In the wake of recent bombings during the month of Ramadan, it has really made me wonder if we are condemning these attacks enough to make a difference.

Egypt, Turkey, Bangladesh, Iraq and Saudi Arabia are among those countries that suffered the horrific attacks of Daesh during the Holy month of Ramadan. I did see the social media buzz up a little bit; mostly blaming the west for not supporting us. Images like the one below surfaced and was shared by every Tom, Dick and Harry.




But it made me question. As Muslims, what are we doing to condemn these? Did Minar-e-Pakistan bristle in colors of different flags? How many of us stood outside to condemn the attacks on our Holy mosque and all those innocent lives lost in recent bombing, including the one on Easter in Lahore? Sure, there were 'few' but where they enough?

I read up on what the world thought about it. Sure there were always those bunch of dumbasses who bluntly blamed Islam and cursed out the religion, the prophet and God but then there were those who were more sensible... these are the normal average people, who don't waste time fighting on the internet but knows that what's happening to Muslims is not right. These people support us but they are slowly fading away...

I've observed that even the more liberal non-Muslims are doubting that Islam is a peaceful religion. You know why? Because they keep asking, 'If what Daesh does is wrong, then why don't we see Muslims on the street protesting against them?' or 'The day I see Muslims on the street protesting against Daesh is the day I'll believe that Islam is the religion of Peace'. This is the main point. We don't have enough Muslims calling against Daesh. We cry that we are victims but do we point the finger at Daesh and call them the heretics and stand up against them in numbers? We can rally up a storm if a blasphemy law is discussed but when it comes to actually defending Islam we do nothing.

We as Muslims all uniformly believe that Deash's way of life is not the one that Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) taught. It is not the one that Allah (SWT) wants. Yet, we sit in silence when they go boom.

As a Pakistani, a Muslim and a PG community member, I think we all should do our part to defend Islam. We need to unite and speak against Daesh because they are portraying the world that their way of life is the true Islam. That's why people like Trump are pushing to call Daesh 'Radical Islam'. We all know it is NOT radical Islam, it is the corrupted Islam, the perverted version. It makes us all look bad.

PG has a lot of educated and influential folks, I think if we don't stand up, then we can't expect others to stand up. This is the true Jihad, the Jihad to defend our faith. Not by violence but by words. The Jihad of the pen. Write and speak up about the true Islam.


Here is a video to inspire us... to do what this man does. We need to promote Islam and speak against Daesh.


*Note: Daesh is the true name of ISIS. I refuse to call them ISIS because they are NOT an Islamic State. The world doesn't recognize them as one and neither do I.
 
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such kind of threads are not allowed here !!! @Jshak !!!
Are they not? This is the Chit Chat cafe. There is no hate speech in my thread but more of a positive speech. I'm not speaking against any Religion but only against Daesh's constant attacks on Islam. In fact, I'm also supporting the christians who were brutally targeted on Easter.



But... if Junaid thinks it ain't allowed then by all means you can lock it up. But... we will never rise out of darkness if we don't stand up for our selves...


P.s. I know the reason could be that it could lead to hate speech but that's what moderators do right? They moderate the discussion and keep it civil.

No hate speech should be allowed. Simple.
 

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Actually there are many people here who like to go against what 90% of people think and start hate speech or fights so these kind of threads should rather not exist here.

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Keep it civil and sensible, without bashing each other or bringing in a religious debate that targets and/or upsets people and it should be fine.


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Ofcourse, any sensible person who has seen how daesh has treated their captives, muslims and others, will outright reject them.
Only a sicko will support them.

The way they raid cities, grab people from their homes and cut off their body organs because they were in the city of "former" govt.
Idiotic State.
 

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I hate how the media portrays Daesh as some shitty radical side of Islam when Daesh is responsible for exponentially more Muslim deaths than any non-Muslims (I don't mean that they should kill more non-Muslims). The biased medias of the world for whatever agenda want to tarnish and frame Islam at every opportunity they get, and the spineless *****, our so called leaders, can't get their heads outta there asses for a moment to defend or at least condemn these allegations.
 

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Quoting someone here.
There is a pernicious, disingenuous meme floating around.
It goes: "ISIS have killed Muslims in Istanbul, Dhaka, Baghdad and now the holy city of Madina. So leave us alone, ISIS has nothing to do with Islam!"

A) What exactly is the point here? ISIS are still from among us Muslims. They still adopt a version of Islam that happens to be found in our scripture (eg: stone women, kill apostates, chop off limbs) to justify their actions.

B) Think how insulting we sound. 'They can't be Muslims because they're killing other Muslims'. As if killing non-Muslims would somehow make us accept they have something to do with Islam??

C) Religious extremism throughout the ages has targeted its 'own' before others. That's the nature of trying to control people. And that's why extremists were always so concerned with 'heresy' and 'blasphemy'. The 'traitor' from within is always more dangerous, and thus always more strictly punished. The Prophet's own grand children were killed by Muslim extremists known as the khawarij who were reported to be better at reciting the Quran & more steadfast in prayer than anyone else.

D) The fact is, claiming that ISIS has *nothing* to do with Islam is as unhelpful and ignorant as saying ISIS *is* Islam per se. It's blindingly obvious they have *something* to do with Islam and everyone's laughing at us for trying to deny this.


Instead of whinging and making our first reaction about Muslim victimhood, again, why not try being part of the solution by working to challenge extremism?


Or are cartoons the only thing that make us come out in the streets with rage?
Like alcoholics, we Muslims blame everyone else for our own problems. Judeo-Zio-Indian-British-American-Quilliam-illuminati...but *never* us.
 

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How can we defend , when Muslims have no mainstream platform , we have zero to none famous celebrities , we muslims dont own any thing in hollywood or media industry , neither do have any social media .

arabs are the richest they shuld have invested in media and social media , when u dont own any thing u cant voice ur opinion . Western powers are expert in propaganda , we lack ability even to defend things , its saddened me to see comments on news websites and on social media against Muslims and islam and our prophet
 

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Saudia is reaping what they sow.Why political/religious parties are not carrying out rallies against daesh?
 

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awaiting for the thread to be closed. we all hate isis period. We hate US too , our own pm , mqm, justin beiber and lot of other stuff.
 

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Are they not? This is the Chit Chat cafe. There is no hate speech in my thread but more of a positive speech. I'm not speaking against any Religion but only against Daesh's constant attacks on Islam. In fact, I'm also supporting the christians who were brutally targeted on Easter.



But... if Junaid thinks it ain't allowed then by all means you can lock it up. But... we will never rise out of darkness if we don't stand up for our selves...


P.s. I know the reason could be that it could lead to hate speech but that's what moderators do right? They moderate the discussion and keep it civil.

No hate speech should be allowed. Simple.
Tahir, the point of positive discussion is always good if ppl talk sense. We derail our conversation to that limit where we start bashing others to the ground till we bleed.

So any good discussion is always good. But don't get off limits . Hate speechs is good, critism is good but don't go extreme. We don't hold a neutral opinion

I can start a small discussion. What ever is being seeded is what we sowed in 1970. Today we are getting all of this due to incapable policies which were only based for our own intrest, rather than building up a good empire.

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How can we defend , when Muslims have no mainstream platform , we have zero to none famous celebrities , we muslims dont own any thing in hollywood or media industry , neither do have any social media .

arabs are the richest they shuld have invested in media and social media , when u dont own any thing u cant voice ur opinion . Western powers are expert in propaganda , we lack ability even to defend things , its saddened me to see comments on news websites and on social media against Muslims and islam and our prophet
This is a problem but not that big of a problem. My point is that we need to take action our selves. That video I posted above is getting good views, not in millions but it's a start. If we make high quality content or promote peace through whatever mean we can, it can make a mark. We have a lot of support from liberals in the west but they need to see us support ourselves so they can back us up.

We have a lot of Muslims in the West, they all can go out on their own and preach people about the correct Islam. We sitting in PK can go on our streets and make a mark. Our media should support us. That's why I started the discussion here. PG has educated and influential folks, we can make a difference if we wanted to.

If we all sit here then no one will save us and Daesh will continue their agenda and we'll all end up like Jews were to the Nazis.

To the westerners, they believe if we sit silently then we are indirectly agreeing with them. As [MENTION=16885]The Alchemist[/MENTION] quoted someone above, are cartoons the only thing that makes us come out on the streets with rage?
 

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Tahir, the point of positive discussion is always good if ppl talk sense. We derail our conversation to that limit where we start bashing others to the ground till we bleed.

So any good discussion is always good. But don't get off limits . Hate speechs is good, critism is good but don't go extreme. We don't hold a neutral opinion

I can start a small discussion. What ever is being seeded is what we sowed in 1970. Today we are getting all of this due to incapable policies which were only based for our own intrest, rather than building up a good empire.

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Thanks Junaid, yeah I want to have a civilized discussion on this. If we start bashing others then it means that Daesh is already winning and muslims can't unite under anything. :(

And yes, what happened in 1970 is a sticking point. But we need to move out of it. I am starting to see that the educated people are moving away from that but the illiterate is still influenced by it. Still trying to figure out how we can move away from it in masses.

Changing mind isn't easy but liberal Muslims are starting to see that Daesh's version of Islam isn't correct. We need to help each other and start rallying up against their atrocious behavior.
 

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We have this bad habit which need changes. When we go abroad for studies, we don't plan mostly to come back to our country due to alot of issues.

The point I am trying to declare here, we can change our system only if we inject ourselves into this system.
We mostly, don't apply for goverment openings. Even our governennt is chalak that they know once a foreign qualified enters our system, he will ruin us :).

So they induct their chacha mama etc.

The point, we lost was of good governance. I saw one good time was Pervaiz musharaf time where he copied an idea of N.R.I, means no matter if you have changed your nationality, roots should be of Pakistan and support it. Where there was significance change of injection towards the system.

Now all of these daesh etc are created monstera by us for some reason. We have been brainwashing them with the golden words like " Jannat " tumhari hai. Cause they are numbskuls. They never understand what Islam is...

I bet a non muslim is better than us muslim when he understands the Quran.
The point is, we can debate all long, the concerns will just sit on the table and do nothing. In the end we shall bleed and we will be the ones hurted than them.


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MOD NOTE: People, discuss, but DON'T fight. Don't bash religions etc. Instead, present sensible arguments. Flame wars will result in bans for ALL people involved, even if 'he started it'. - AbbY

In the wake of recent bombings during the month of Ramadan, it has really made me wonder if we are condemning these attacks enough to make a difference.

Egypt, Turkey, Bangladesh and Saudi Arabia are among those countries that suffered the horrific attacks of Daesh during the Holy month of Ramadan. I did see the social media buzz up a little bit; mostly blaming the west for not supporting us. Images like the one below surfaced and was shared by every Tom, Dick and Harry.
And why have you forgotten IRAQ ?

Iraq: Baghdad bombing kills more than 200 - News from Al Jazeera

Iraq shrine attack: IS kills dozens in Balad - BBC News
 

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Sorry you are right - I missed out Iraq. It suffered one of the worst Daesh attacks to date. I guess when I wrote Bangladesh my brain thought I also wrote Baghdad. I've fixed the first post now.

Eitherway - this is exactly what I'm talking about. Attacks on these countries are happening yet due to less media attention and the fact that we don't care about them as much as we should, these countries are sadly forgotten.

Continuing on the discussion - I ask why didn't Minar-e-Pakistan bristle in colors of different country flags? Why do our people want the Eiffel Tower to hold vigil against these atrocities? We should first make sure that landmarks and people in Muslim countries all recognize the inhuman way Daesh is dealing with our people. Then only we can point the finger to the western world and call them biased.
 
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I mostly saw support for ISIS way back in 2014, when most people didn't know what they were. Even some of my university friends used to support them. Nowadays though, literally everyone I know hates them.
 

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I mostly saw support for ISIS way back in 2014, when most people didn't know what they were. Even some of my university friends used to support them. Nowadays though, literally everyone I know hates them.
true that , i once met a person in uni he was supporting by saying dont u know in end of dayz calphite will be formed etc i told him what ISIS is doing is nothing islamic its pure evil we had little 2 min argument where i decided to back away , cause i usually dont argue religious , political and women believes in public .

Now the same guy post against ISIS on facebook , the thing is most of the people start blindly following what is in the trend it goes to both educated and uneducated , the uneducated have no sources or means to find the truth , the educated finally get the picture through some where media , social media etc but the uneducated never gets that chance and fall in trap of those radical following and people

I believe if we really need to change something we need to go on and educate people street people kids etc into education , give 1 hour or so teach kids broaden their mind
 
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