You mistake me again, killerdon. I only refuse to use Quran and Hadith as a source of history (other than Islamic history) or science, because it is not a textbook. But the best way to learn about the Prophet and his religion is, quite obviously, nothing but the Islamic scripture itself. How is this a contradiction?
If I can find morally questionable things about your religion from YOUR OWN holy books, isn't that the strongest piece of evidence I can produce?
You can disagree with me, but please do not sabotage my arguments by falsely claiming contradictions.
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criticalerror:
I really don't understand your concept of insult. If a man is a murderer, the only way for me communicate what he really is is to call him what he is: a murderer. If you think that's an insult, then sure. I can't sugarcoat my words without losing meaning. And it's not like I am calling your Prophet/religion bad names or hurling abuses. I am only using regular adjectives simply to describe my views of them.
You have all the right to insult my views. I promise I won't pressure the mods to delete your posts for that. Respect, in the context of debate, does not mean respect for all the ideas that are in contention. It only means respect for all the parties involved (and I guess it's clear who has been more personally respectful in the thread). If I was arguing in favor of Nazism here, and you thought Nazism is a vile ideology, would you respect it? When you are critical of something that you think is BAD, you can't expect to respect it. It is psychologically impossible for anyone to respect something that they believe is evil. No belief system has the right to be respected. Not mine and not yours.
How Islam promotes terrorism? Read your holy text. It's all in there.
And I am not just arguing terrorism here. I am talking violence done for Islam in general. And blasphemy has been responsible for quite a lot of that.
When religious leaders shower praises upon murderers, condone killings done for Islam, refuse to condemn any such acts, then insurgency increases. Ulemas carry a massive influence in our society. People respect them. They listen to them. If they really were so appalled by the mess Islamic terrorism has been creating, they would have been more vocal in their protests of it. But they are not. They are not doing anything to discourage violence, leading to increasing militancy. And why are they not doing it? Because they know Islam endorses it.
You want me to quote how exactly Islam does that, but that is a needless risk that I am not willing to take. Because even if I do that, it's futile. You are already decided on your faith. You will perform all manner of mental gymnastics, shifting through ambiguities and contexts until you found one that suited your favorite interpretation. The fact that your holy books allow so much wriggle-room for intellectual dishonesty is why even people far smarter than me will be hard-pressed to prove anything that you do not already want to believe.
And thus, we have reached an impasse. Please don't try to drag our stupid bickering any longer. It's not adding anything of value here. There is nothing more for me to say regarding your objections. If you think I have failed to make any valid points, by all means.