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Xbox Series S and X - Price and Release date revealed!
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  • The Xbox Series S will cost $300.
  • The Xbox Series X will cost $500.
  • Both consoles will be out on November 10.
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Suddenly that 512 GB Xbox series S option just doesnt seem that inexpensive anymore especially given how big game sizes have lately been. $220 for 1 TB expansion is too much.. My 1 TB ONE X has a 2 TB external drive hooked up so i cant imagine 512GB being any good. I believe this is the case for a majority of gamers out there.
 

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@venom I think now console gamers will realise how expensive NVMe SSDs are. Sooner or later you'll have to buy them if you want more games to be installed concurrently. The tech gap between 5400/7200rpms HDDs and NVMe SSDs is huge and consoles skipped the Sata SSD gen. Similarly, people who have been used to buying HDDs will find these even more expensive.
 
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Suddenly that 512 GB Xbox series S option just doesnt seem that inexpensive anymore especially given how big game sizes have lately been. $220 for 1 TB expansion is too much.. My 1 TB ONE X has a 2 TB external drive hooked up so i cant imagine 512GB being any good. I believe this is the case for a majority of gamers out there.
You will have the option to archive games to your external 2TB hard drive. Keep the games you're currently playing on the internal drive, and the rest on the external one. Personally, I don't think it'll be a hassle to do this. Moreover, games will give you the option to install individual components, which should also help.
 

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You will have the option to archive games to your external 2TB hard drive. Keep the games you're currently playing on the internal drive, and the rest on the external one. Personally, I don't think it'll be a hassle to do this. Moreover, games will give you the option to install individual components, which should also help.
Yes, at the very least this is a cost effective solution.

On both Xbox X (and reportedly PS5's) you have the option to *play* all backwards compatible games with standard USB 3.1 HDDs, and you can even copy XBX/PS5 games ON it for storage, but to PLAY them you need to copy them back to the internal SSD (or the faster SSD).

It would mean you need to copy paste the active game you want to play to internal first ... but realistically how many games is one person juggling at one time ?

And on a standard USB 3.1 drive it shouldn't take more than 5~8 mins to copy a modern 40GB~ish average game.
 

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The fact that higher storage SKUs are released and expandable storage is a thing should be enough to answer how many games people juggle at a time.
 

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so here comes the NEXT GEN KICK.

Xbox Series X’s expansion card costs $219.99


USB external drives are still compatible, but not for next-gen games



The officially licensed Storage Expansion Card for the Xbox Series X and Series S costs $219.99, according to a product listing at Best Buy.

Seagate makes the solid-state drive, which Microsoft announced but gave no price for in March. It’s pitched as “the only available expansion card that replicates the Xbox Velocity Architecture,” which is what delivers “faster load times, richer environments, and more immersive gameplay” on the next-generation Xbox consoles.

Microsoft has promised that all the accessories you use on your Xbox One will work on the Xbox Series X. This goes for external hard drives, too, with USB 3.1 or 3.2 connectivity. However, all Xbox Series X games must be installed to the console’s internal SSD or the Seagate card — USB external hard drives are far slower than these NVMe SSDs, which use the new PCIe 4.0 standard. (Series X games can be backed up to a USB external drive, but can’t be played from one.)

Backward-compatible Xbox One, Xbox 360, and Xbox games can still be played on the Xbox Series X if they’re installed on a USB external drive. And if you have one piled up with installed games for your Xbox One right now, it will be plug-and-play compatible with the new console launching Nov. 10. But Xbox One games that are “optimized for Xbox Series X,” like Gears 5 will be, can’t be played off a USB drive if users want “optimal performance,” says Microsoft.


For comparison, a Seagate-made 2 TB external hard drive that’s designed for Xbox One is currently available for $89.99. The $219.99 cost for the Xbox Series X Storage Expansion Card may be a fair price for the cutting-edge technology in the device, although it’s hard to say; very few PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSDs are on the market, and even so, this is a custom-built SSD that’s designed to plug directly into the back of an Xbox Series X or Series S.

Unlike Microsoft with the Xbox Series X and Series S, Sony will not require a proprietary storage expansion solution for the PlayStation 5. PS5 owners will be able to upgrade the console’s 825 GB internal storage with an off-the-shelf PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSD, although Sony will have to certify specific drives as compatible with the console. (For reference, Samsung announced its Evo 980 Pro SSD this week, and the 1 TB model will retail for $229.99.) It’s worth noting that stand-alone PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSDs will get cheaper over time, but a proprietary product like the Seagate-branded Xbox Series X card may not.

While NVMe SSDs are the state of the art for storage, 1 TB is not a lot of space for any PC or console currently available. The Xbox Series X itself has a 1 TB internal NVMe SSD, so $219.99 only doubles that capacity. The Xbox Series S has only 512 GB of internal storage — just above the amount of storage in launch Xbox One consoles seven years ago. (Next-gen games will at least take up less space on the Series S than on the Series X, because the smaller console is designed for gaming at 1440p resolution rather than 4K.)

Assuming an average of 50 GB per game — and that may be on the low side for next-gen games — you could store at most 20 games on a 1 TB card, despite a Best Buy listing that promises gamers can “collect thousands of games across four generations of Xbox without sacrificing performance.”




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next gen games wont run on old gen drives.. hawww shit is expensive as FRAK
 

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You will have the option to archive games to your external 2TB hard drive. Keep the games you're currently playing on the internal drive, and the rest on the external one. Personally, I don't think it'll be a hassle to do this. Moreover, games will give you the option to install individual components, which should also help.
Yeah thats one solution. Overtime though there are games especially MP games like Geow, Halo etc that you want to keep on your HDD for a quick match and that is where the whole juggling around starts. I am just wild guessing, but i am sure a 100 Gb game like Halo would take at least ten minutes to move around HDDs and in the grand scheme of things where you dont get much time to play those 10 odd minutes might just turn you off. but that could be just me trying be picky.
 

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@venom I think now console gamers will realise how expensive NVMe SSDs are. Sooner or later you'll have to buy them if you want more games to be installed concurrently. The tech gap between 5400/7200rpms HDDs and NVMe SSDs is huge and consoles skipped the Sata SSD gen. Similarly, people who have been used to buying HDDs will find these even more expensive.
Yeah I am sure that new hardware tech costs are to blame for this but for some reason i despise propriety storage after those Vita memory card debacle. I just feel that off the shelf is a much much better option than going for propriety storage in terms of cost effectiveness.
 

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Yeah I am sure that new hardware tech costs are to blame for this but for some reason i despise propriety storage after those Vita memory card debacle. I just feel that off the shelf is a much much better option than going for propriety storage in terms of cost effectiveness.
Sony hasn’t announced the baseline specs for SSD compatibility so its not like you would be able to buy just any SSD you want. At the very least you’ll have to match the capability of the internal SSD and for that you are looking at the same expense of ~$200 for a 1TB upgrade on PS5 based on current market rates, provided that those are compatible. The need for expandable storage arises from limited space, not speed. Assuming roughly same sizes for multiplats, a 1TB storage will hold the same amount of games on both consoles, the faster speed isn’t gonna help lol, and the 825GB is already lower than 1TB on Xbox.
 

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Sony hasn’t announced the baseline specs for SSD compatibility so its not like you would be able to buy just any SSD you want. At the very least you’ll have to match the capability of the internal SSD and for that you are looking at the same expense of ~$200 for a 1TB upgrade on PS5 based on current market rates, provided that those are compatible. The need for expandable storage arises from limited space, not speed. Assuming roughly same sizes for multiplats, a 1TB storage will hold the same amount of games on both consoles, the faster speed isn’t gonna help lol, and the 825GB is already lower than 1TB on Xbox.
Yeah yeah I remember the Marc Cenry presentation on the SSDs. Overtime though the cost of non propriety ssds should come down drastically as compared to the propriety ones bcoz of competition.
 
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As a fan of western RPGs, these games coming to Game Pass really excites me.

And this is without the strong FPS line up, as well as Arkane studios games.
I am pretty deep into Wasteland 3 and honestly that game needs much much more attention and praise than it has received. I dont know the numbers sold but by the looks of it, Its still going under the radar not getting the attention it truly deserves. Inexile has done some fantastic work with this game. Apart from the performance issues on console the game is pretty much perfect in every way possible.
 
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Yeah yeah I remember the Marc Cenry presentation on the SSDs. Overtime though the cost of non propriety ssds should come down drastically as compared to the propriety ones bcoz of competition.
THE award for MOST boring presentation in history of gaming, MARC CENRY
 
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