PMDC announces quota system, 50% reservation for boys and girls.

[Tultras]

FAISALABAD: The Pakistan Medical and Dental Council (PMDC) has abolished merit-based admission policy for medical colleges and instead reserved 50 per cent seats for boys and the other 50 per cent for girls.The PMDC has issued a notification and informed health secretaries of the four provinces and secretary of the National Health Services Regulations and Coordination department of its decision.
The notification says that at a meeting on Feb 4 the council discussed the growing trend among girls of acquiring medical education, coupled with their tendency to leave the profession after having done so or not joining it at all.

It decided to set aside half the seats for boys and the other half for girls. The institutions have been asked to fill the seats in the two categories on the basis of merit.
“The decision will be implemented in undergraduate public and private sector medical/dental colleges from the new admission year 2014-2015. It does not apply to the colleges for girls only,” the notification says.

Article copied from Dawn;
Equal number of seats for boys and girls in medical colleges - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

 

[frazgta]

Please change the font.

 

[shahzadfootball]

Pleaseeee change the font colour ,for crying out loud

 

[Ottoman]

This step was much needed. Medical education had been reduced to a rishta-finding prospect ever since government decided to make the selection process open merit. The government invests so much in future doctors (females) only for them to forgo practice after graduation.

One might argue this is fair and unfair at the same time. Deserving and bright girls would be deprived of acquiring medical education at the expense of lesser merit boys. The ratio between girls and boys in Medical colleges nowadays is 70:30 at best. And more than half the girls do not complete their house job after graduation.

It's a well known fact most males are better doctors in practice than many females. Girls are brainy and do well in theory exams. But boys excel when it comes to actual medical practice. There's no misogynist ploy here as I'm simply stating real-life facts.

The issue itself is highly debatable. Both sides can come up with excellent arguments in favour for and against PMDC's decision. But in terms on principle, girls should feel hard done by, pure and simple.

 

[LeGenD123]

If this policy proves to be beneficial for the Medical profession in the long run, so be it.

It's easy to tout consideration of "merit" for every system but practicality matters.

Even the so-called merit based selection process is not perfect. Sometimes, extremely talented individuals with excellent academic performance do not make it into this profession due to not getting excellent score in test(s) conducted by the institutes for this profession; these individuals are left with the choice to consider either "self-finance" or "abandon." Sometimes, average individuals pass tests with flying colors and get selected.

 

[Rip Uzair]

Well, the problem is that there is lack of paid jobs. It would just result in even more un-employed doctors or increased number leaving the country. So the decision isn't helping in anyway. + I believe it sets a bad precedent that they are not fixing the actual problem but rather something that is not directly the cause of the problem. The problem is female doctors not joining the practice; so, they should fix this for example by increasing the penalty for not doing a government job for a specific period of time. Currently, It is set at 1-5lacs. Which after paying it, you are free from the 3 years government service bond. It should be around 20-25lacs because that is the total fee.
However by limiting the number of females admitted, what if mostly those who later join the field are the ones who couldn't get in? So, not fixing the problem itself but rather other things is not really good. Then again, what about paid jobs and training posts? They can't even handle the number of doctors every year joining the field right now. Its THE major bottleneck right now. i.e paid jobs and training posts. So, increase these and enhance government service bonds.

+ The examining system needs changing which promotes better understanding than rote memorisation.

+ Imposing the policy on private institutions doesn't make sense as government is rather making money off them rather than the other way round.

 

[Arhamsaeed]

Government spends 25-30 lacs on the education of one medical student and most girls waste it by not practicing. This is the condition in engineering as well, very few girls work in their respective field after getting the degree

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[Ottoman]

Well, the problem is that there is lack of paid jobs. It would just result in even more un-employed doctors or increased number leaving the country. So the decision isn't helping in anyway. + I believe it sets a bad precedent that they are not fixing the actual problem but rather something that is not directly the cause of the problem. The problem is female doctors not joining the practice; so, they should fix this for example by increasing the penalty for not doing a government job for a specific period of time. Currently, It is set at 1-5lacs. Which after paying it, you are free from the 3 years government service bond. It should be around 20-25lacs because that is the total fee.
However by limiting the number of females admitted, what if mostly those who later join the field are the ones who couldn't get in? So, not fixing the problem itself but rather other things is not really good. Then again, what about paid jobs and training posts? They can't even handle the number of doctors every year joining the field right now. Its THE major bottleneck right now. i.e paid jobs and training posts. So, increase these and enhance government service bonds.

+ The examining system needs changing which promotes better understanding than rote memorisation.

+ Imposing the policy on private institutions doesn't make sense as government is rather making money off them rather than the other way round.

True but the PMDC can only suggest recommendations and it is up to the government to create more hospitals and resultantly, more jobs. The number of honorary (unpaid) House Officers and PG Trainees is alarmingly high these days!

For starters, one alternative could be to make House job mandatory,. MBBS/BDS degrees shouldn't be awarded unless medical students complete the one-year training program. Imposing a penalty wouldn't deter girls from leaving the profession after graduation. In any case, the returns would be too less.

You've pretty much covered the essentials.

 

[Tultras]

A big thank you to whichever mod fixed the starting post. I tried editing it around 3 times, but i couldn't get it right. :bounce

 

[Arhamsaeed]

I've heard that it will be implemented from next year.

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[Crow]

It's a well known fact most males are better doctors in practice than many females.

sexist bullshit.

Girls are brainy and do well in theory exams. But boys excel when it comes to actual medical practice. There's no misogynist ploy here as I'm simply stating real-life facts.

i didn't expect you of all people to say something so incredibly dumb, Otto.

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if women are not going into practice at the rate that is expected of them, how about we encourage them to become practicing doctors, surgeons, EMTs, etc? how about we encourage the people that are capable and deserving, rather than setting a lower precedent so men can have so-called "equal opportunity"? i'm sure this post will fall on deaf ears because pakgamers in the past hasn't exactly been kind to challenging discussions, but there is no defending dumb policies with dumb rationalization.

 

[Crow]

ps. i will concede that if this policy ends up giving PMDC an alumni of more practicing medical professionals then all power to them, but this is a short-term solution to what i see as a bigger ideological problem.

 

[MrGutsy]

This step was much needed. Medical education had been reduced to a rishta-finding prospect ever since government decided to make the selection process open merit. The government invests so much in future doctors (females) only for them to forgo practice after graduation.

One might argue this is fair and unfair at the same time. Deserving and bright girls would be deprived of acquiring medical education at the expense of lesser merit boys. The ratio between girls and boys in Medical colleges nowadays is 70:30 at best. And more than half the girls do not complete their house job after graduation.

It's a well known fact most males are better doctors in practice than many females. Girls are brainy and do well in theory exams. But boys excel when it comes to actual medical practice. There's no misogynist ploy here as I'm simply stating real-life facts.

The issue itself is highly debatable. Both sides can come up with excellent arguments in favour for and against PMDC's decision. But in terms on principle, girls should feel hard done by, pure and simple.

You sir are spot on, couldn't have said better myself.
Let me ask you how many times you see a female Orthopedic, Neurologist, Cardiologist, Physician? Almost never, the only female specialist doctors are Gynecologists and we sure as hell don't need 70% of all our specialist doctors as gynecologists. My sister is a doctor, 4 of her closes friends from her medical college are now married and living abroad. Out of her group of closest friends only she and one other is a practioning doctor.

 

[Arhamsaeed]

sexist bullshit.



i didn't expect you of all people to say something so incredibly dumb, Otto.

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if women are not going into practice at the rate that is expected of them, how about we encourage them to become practicing doctors, surgeons, EMTs, etc? how about we encourage the people that are capable and deserving, rather than setting a lower precedent so men can have so-called "equal opportunity"? i'm sure this post will fall on deaf ears because pakgamers in the past hasn't exactly been kind to challenging discussions, but there is no defending dumb policies with dumb rationalization.

How should we encourage them? It's still one of the best paid and most respectable profession. Unke paon pakr kr kahen k practice krlen apki meherbani hogi.

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[saad51233]

Rishta finding prospect? Really? Never heard a girl going for medical education for a better Rishta. So lame, only in Lore maybe.

OT: Unfair.

 

[Ottoman]

sexist bullshit.

i didn't expect you of all people to say something so incredibly dumb, Otto.

Not really. Look at the number of specialists in hospitals in Pakistan and around the world. It's a global phenomenon that male doctors excel in their field of study. Females specialists and departmental heads (other than Gynae) are an exception and not the norm. Just for reference, look at the number of men and women Nobel laureates (Medicine & Physiology) and guess which gender outnumbers the other.

You could blame the Pakistani society for holding them back but why is the same pattern being followed in the West? I'm sure open merit is the solution to all problems in la la land but the reality is quite different. The West can afford to import doctors to counter its manpower deficiency but a third-world country can not.

I read this stat someplace that in Pakistan, 80% male medical graduates pursue Medicine/Surgery as a career after graduation while only 27% of the females do so. Considering the ratio of Medical students is 70:30 in favour of females, that's alarmingly high!

And don't whinge so early, please. We've only just started

 

[Ottoman]

You sir are spot on, couldn't have said better myself.
Let me ask you how many times you see a female Orthopedic, Neurologist, Cardiologist, Physician? Almost never, the only female specialist doctors are Gynecologists and we sure as hell don't need 70% of all our specialist doctors as gynecologists.

Oh yes females do specialize in those fields. But few and far between. It's kind of ironic male Gynaecologists are in much higher demand in the West. Even Princess Kate's gynaecologist was a male. lol

My sister is a doctor, 4 of her closes friends from her medical college are now married and living abroad. Out of her group of closest friends only she and one other is a practioning doctor.

Same here. I can relate to it.

 

[maxold90]

consider to other countries, Pakistan is may be at top of all those who support and encourage female gender in jobs and education, but now this need to be re-consider, i mean we are not some developed nation, where women do jobs even after marriage, and in my professional life i didn't saw a single career lady, most of them doing job as for fun, they didn't take thing seriously and its may be a female gender nature.

for example one of my friend recently joined GSK after completing her MBBS from DOW, as marketing executive (most part is of her looks) and now shes doing MBA Marketing, and when does i asked her, so shes like, its was really stressful study back then, so now i decided to take chill pill path.

problem is with selection process as well, i mean, there must be a decent selection criteria in those medical colleges, they need to more emphasize on interview after assessment test, so can determines person determination. It should be tough, same as like job interview.

 

[sTraNg3r]

Yes, depriving talented people (regardless of their sex) from pursuing their education, just so someone less deserving from the opposite sex can fill the quota is indeed going to fix the problem. Well done PMDC.

This is borderline sexism. And typical of Pakistani society at large.

 

[Janus205]

It's not going to stay. Someone will file a case against this decision and it will be reversed. It has happened in the last I think in1990 and case was filed and decision given in the favor of girls.