PIEAS or FAST? Confused!

[assassin8097]

@assassin8097
Bro, your opinion. NED or PIEAS?

It depends. Both are top universities for Engineering. Have you read the other thread about Life at NED? Compare the pros and cons of both of them. I don't think you will have any problem going for MS abroad after doing Bachelors from PIEAS. I would recommend PIEAS because you will already have a job and MS lined up but not in NED. If, for any reason, you have to stay in Pakistan, at least you will have a job. But if you want to leave that job, then you will have to pay them some money because you can't leave PAEC just like that, you have to sign a bond with them. But I think private companies would also prefer someone from PIEAS. So I think that PIEAS would be better in this regard. But you won't have that much fun uni life in PIEAS as in NED because you will be living in a hostel thousand miles away from home, and there isn't much to do on campus. You will be working most of the time. But the bus goes to Isb all the time and every week end you can take the bus and go watch movies and stuff in Islamabad, this is a good thing. But in NED you will always be at home and you can enjoy yourself too... I can't really tell you where you should go because this is about yourself. Uni life + home = NED or boring life + away from home = PIEAS (but it has other benefits)... Think about the benefits that come with PIEAS. If you think you might have to stay here for a while or if you want to do Phd then you should prefer PIEAS. But if your plans are, BS, MS and settle abroad then NED would be fine...
P.S do you have any plans for Phd? You know you can do MS from PIEAS and go for Phd on scholarship sponsored by PIEAS and once you are gone, you can easily find a job there and you are settled!

 

[Ali250]

Nope... that's not the case... People from PAEC go on conferences and training every year... And as for studying abroad, anyone can go.... PIEAS has tons of research going on in MS and PhD level and that's what matters. I have seen people go abroad and some are even professors in foreign universities now.
And by no means is it a small institute! HEC ranks universities on overall basis from its courses to the faculty. Jobs are limited everywhere... Its affiliation with PAEC is the main reason why people go for it.

PIEAS tops the rankings purely because of the quality of its postgraduate programs and the research papers they publish. Otherwise for bachelors degree there are better institutes.

 

[assassin8097]

PIEAS tops the rankings purely because of the quality of its postgraduate programs and the research papers they publish. Otherwise for bachelors degree there are better institutes.

Research papers are what matter if one wants MS from abroad... foreign unis prefer the graduates from those institutes which have more research! PIEAS has a name abroad due to its affiliation with PAEC. PAEC doesn't terrorize people as much as Islamic university does. And as for bachelors, university doesn't change anything. The learning is what the student does himself. Employers want people with skills and work ethics... FAST doesn't have better labs of EE and it has no comparison with PIEAS. When comparing universities, one should always consider the courses they offer. So far I see nothing special in FAST's EE.

 

[outlaw]

The thing which bothers me about PIEAS is that you have a hard time settling abroad like others mentioned. So for me, its a no go. Its the best choice if you plan to spend all your life in Pakistan

 

[namsu99]

The thing which bothers me about PIEAS is that you have a hard time settling abroad like others mentioned. So for me, its a no go. Its the best choice if you plan to spend all your life in Pakistan

Why is that? What sort of problems are there?

 

[assassin8097]

The thing which bothers me about PIEAS is that you have a hard time settling abroad like others mentioned. So for me, its a no go. Its the best choice if you plan to spend all your life in Pakistan

And why do you think that is? :/

 

[Shary Bhallu TC]

PIEAS tops the rankings purely because of the quality of its postgraduate programs and the research papers they publish. Otherwise for bachelors degree there are better institutes.

Agreed. In Pakistan, the ranking is purely based on the number of research papers published. Undergraduate quality is not measured sadly (inspite of externals from PEC who come to check up on students during vivas etc). :/

BTW NED is pretty good for Electrical engineering. I mean students get picked up by organizations like Siemens, Pak Cables, KE, Ariba Power if they have a good GPA (this applies especially to KE). The labs are pretty good. Teachers are awesome (except for a few 1st year teachers). They take us on trips. If you have 80+% in Inter/A, do apply in NED.

 

[outlaw]

And why do you think that is? :/

Why is that? What sort of problems are there?

Well just like Ali250 mentioned its associated with Pakistan Atomic Energy Commision(PAEC). Going to conferences and training is another thing dude. Im talking about settling there. You might have trouble landing jobs which have security and confidential concerns there. My father is a retired senior principal engineer at Karachi Nuclear Power Plant(KANUPP). He can't go to India forever.

Edit: I'm not comparing India with other countries like in Europe, Canada etc. I'm just giving you an example of how India is so sensitive with our nuclear stuff.

 

[namsu99]

Yaar if there's any chance that going to PIEAS may mess up chances of doing masters from abroad, I'll seriously have to reconsider.
Do you guys think it'll have any effect on being selected for scholarship programs such as fulbright etc?

 

[assassin8097]

Well just like Ali250 mentioned its associated with Pakistan Atomic Energy Commision(PAEC). Going to conferences and training is another thing dude. Im talking about settling there. You might have trouble landing jobs which have security and confidential concerns there. My father is a retired senior principal engineer at Karachi Nuclear Power Plant(KANUPP). He can't go to India forever.

Edit: I'm not comparing India with other countries like in Europe, Canada etc. I'm just giving you an example of how India is so sensitive with our nuclear stuff.

My father was the same thre years ago. Anyways, the thing is, settling abroad is a totally different thing. For Masters, the OP won't face much problems. As for settling, regardless of where he does his bachelors, no company with security issues would give a job to a Pakistani, so the name PAEC doesn't change anything. The most likely jobs one can get are private engineering firms which have less to do with the government. Bigger companies abroad know about PAEC and they trust them (Siemens provides PAEC with Linear Accelerators and such stuff and Pakistanis also work there). Do Aerospace engineering from any university on Earth, the fact that you're a Muslim makes things worse. No one's gonna trust a Muslim Aerospace Engineer with that stuff. India? Every country is sensitive about their Nuclear stuff... They will never trust a Muslim with their things. So if you are talking about PIEAS being affiliated with PAEC then no that has nothing to do with you settling abroad. First, there are few jobs abroad, then even if you get one, that probably won't have anything to do with nuclear stuff or security issues. And one last thing, my dad's friend is working at Siemens Germany. He did MS from PIEAS.
And Eid Mubarak

 

[outlaw]

My father was the same thre years ago. Anyways, the thing is, settling abroad is a totally different thing. For Masters, the OP won't face much problems. As for settling, regardless of where he does his bachelors, no company with security issues would give a job to a Pakistani, so the name PAEC doesn't change anything. The most likely jobs one can get are private engineering firms which have less to do with the government. Bigger companies abroad know about PAEC and they trust them (Siemens provides PAEC with Linear Accelerators and such stuff and Pakistanis also work there). Do Aerospace engineering from any university on Earth, the fact that you're a Muslim makes things worse. No one's gonna trust a Muslim Aerospace Engineer with that stuff. India? Every country is sensitive about their Nuclear stuff... They will never trust a Muslim with their things. So if you are talking about PIEAS being affiliated with PAEC then no that has nothing to do with you settling abroad. First, there are few jobs abroad, then even if you get one, that probably won't have anything to do with nuclear stuff or security issues. And one last thing, my dad's friend is working at Siemens Germany. He did MS from PIEAS.
And Eid Mubarak

Khair Mubarak!

 

[mubaidr]

Well i am a PIEAS graduate therefore would like to share some thoughts. :looking:


-PIEAS is definitely small institute and it has only one campus, that is the main reason its not very popular.

-Hostel life is perfectly fine, you get almost everything in hostel (+sports). Only problem is hostels are far from main ISB city (But they do have shuttle service daily.)

-I see some comments that you have to serve PAEC/Pakistan/PIEAS after bs degree, NO, you DON'T have to. This limitation is only for MS/PHD fellowship students (Scholarship + job offer) (though there were some CIS batch with fellowship also, but no more on BS level).

-There will be NO problem for MS from abroad, in-fact you have better chance/options for MS from abroad after BS from PIEAS.



Fast is rated best for its CIS, i would say opt-in for PIEAS.

 

[salman09]

guyz what about co curricualar activites in fast ?

 

[yasir143]

Well if u r looking for a secure job after completion of degree then go for PIEAS. lots of PIEAs fellows works under me and they are perfectly happy with there jobs and pay

 

[namsu99]

How's the pay scale for government jobs after PIEAS?
And I really don't wanna get into field work. I like research!

 

[assassin8097]

How's the pay scale for government jobs after PIEAS?
And I really don't wanna get into field work. I like research!

PAEC has relatively good salary, especially because their isn't much real hard work as in private sector. Fixed hours and stuff so the pay scale is really good. And they have special pay scale called SPS.... its a bit more than average Pay Scale in government sector. They even used to give cars but I don't think they do so anymore. Free petrol as well but not anymore or maybe its for those who are at sites/plants. Although I am not sure about that. Now u said u want to research. Then I would recommend PIEAS over any other uni because you can do MS from PIEAS and go abroad for Phd on scholarship. You will have to sign a bond with PAEC but you can leave by paying them some money. Now you're free to go anywhere. The best thing to do now is join the same university where you do Phd and work with professors and keep doing research there, you can become a professor later on, or leave and work in private engineering firms. But keep in mind, Phd might not be that useful for field work. But you should know that professors make a hell lot of money, even in Pakistan. MAJU, though under rated, has good salary packages. A fresh Phd can expect near 1.5 lakh starting salary.

 

[assassin8097]

guyz what about co curricualar activites in fast ?

They do have good extra curricular activities but that depends more on the student you know. The teachers their give a lot of homework so time management is the key to both grades and extra curricular activities. My friend loves cricket and body building and I haven't seen him play ever since he joined FAST. He also has got a tummy now because of the sudden change in his life style i.e lack of exercise.

 

[salman09]

They do have good extra curricular activities but that depends more on the student you know. The teachers their give a lot of homework so time management is the key to both grades and extra curricular activities. My friend loves cricket and body building and I haven't seen him play ever since he joined FAST. He also has got a tummy now because of the sudden change in his life style i.e lack of exercise.

damn man
yar nust mei tu kafi hain :/
but still it depends on oneself

 

[assassin8097]

yr hoti hr jaga hain... kahin zyada kahin thori kam but that doesn't change much... One has to be very good at managing time... roz ka kaam roz kro and studies should be given first priority, phir nikal ata hai time baki cheezon ka! BTW, are you going to FAST?

 

[devilskreed]

When it comes to the market Nust graduates are always preferred everywhere.I would opt for pieas hands down.They have good global ranking and are fully funded by government. P.s You can easily fetch a good starting position at key research institutions after graduation like PAEC,KRL,NESCOM etc. SPS-8 government designation is great if offered.

Now here is the catch.Being a nustian i have had my fair share of enjoyment aber(but) i was not too much into extra curriculars probably cuz grades are of paramount importance.As you are interested in research work PIEAS provides an ideal platform,i would advise you to pursue your MS from Pieas aswell.For PHD you can pursue a fully funded scholarship..

Pieas>Fast thats absolute