Pak Gamers becoming more and more Hitler'y' day by day i.e. controlling and restricting

[sohli]

first discussions about unlocking MiFi devices was banned and now u cant sell digital items such as psn codes, games etc without getting permission from Jshak for which no justification was given.

seems like pakgamers management is becoming more and more controlling.

which is quite sad.

 

[Alveaenerle]

I don't know what logic there is behind the first rule (there must be some, they're not doing it just for the heck of it) but I can understand the digital keys' rule. There are a lot of people who commit digital keys scams. Purchase a bunch of keys through credit card> sell aforementioned keys> call your bank and get the payment revoked/do a chargeback> profit; the buyers get screwed in this scenario because once the payment gets declined, the keys also get revoked. Not to mention there's no real proof of ownership with the sale of keys; the seller can just up and run after receiving the money.

They're not doing it for the fun of it. They want to reduce scams and make the buying experience safer on this website, unlike OLX.

 

[iNF3RN0]

first discussions about unlocking MiFi devices was banned and now u cant sell digital items such as psn codes, games etc without getting permission from Jshak for which no justification was given.

seems like pakgamers management is becoming more and more controlling.

which is quite sad.

I am totally out from PG management scene, however the reason for being act as strict morons or whatever name you suggest is due to the members own actions e.g frauds, misbehavior, scams, greed etc, I can understand that how does it feels when you don't get a response from the mods or admins but again we get lots of messages and we just can't reply to everyone in a short amount of time and sometimes we get so fucked after reading nonsense PMs that we don't feel like replying to other PMs :S I know it's kind of a fault at our end but yeah we will try to rectify that.

Now, for selling digital goods you need premium subscription for the marketplace, this will provide two benefits:

- Since we take NIC and other details of the seller so lesser chance of fraud.
- It will help PG to keep on running

Thanks,

 

[sohli]

great....thanks for the update...

 

[GloriousChicken]

Well, if hitler was here.
i'd be more famous than it is now and better managed.
sooo :d

 

[GloriousChicken]

I am totally out from PG management scene, however the reason for being act as strict morons or whatever name you suggest is due to the members own actions e.g frauds, misbehavior, scams, greed etc, I can understand that how does it feels when you don't get a response from the mods or admins but again we get lots of messages and we just can't reply to everyone in a short amount of time and sometimes we get so fucked after reading nonsense PMs that we don't feel like replying to other PMs :S I know it's kind of a fault at our end but yeah we will try to rectify that.

Now, for selling digital goods you need premium subscription for the marketplace, this will provide two benefits:

- Since we take NIC and other details of the seller so lesser chance of fraud.
- It will help PG to keep on running

Thanks,

I really hope that is limited to Digital keys, subscription etc.

I mean, we can still sell our games from steam inventory, No?
Because its safer due to the fact you need to hold that item in for 14 days before being able to trade it.

 

[NADEEM 161]

Same situation for me the greedy mods are not allow me to post any selling thread here on pakgmers because of thier useless thinking that i am diong some real business here and selling bulk items and they force me to buy premium service which cost alot for me there are lots of pg member whos selling lots of computer items but mods closed thier eyes on him



Plz dont banned me

 

[puppet]

because we are being boobanies day by day

 

[iNF3RN0]

I really hope that is limited to Digital keys, subscription etc.

I mean, we can still sell our games from steam inventory, No?
Because its safer due to the fact you need to hold that item in for 14 days before being able to trade it.

Yeah you can, it doesn't qualify for bulk digital selling.

Same situation for me the greedy mods are not allow me to post any selling thread here on pakgmers because of thier useless thinking that i am diong some real business here and selling bulk items and they force me to buy premium service which cost alot for me there are lots of pg member whos selling lots of computer items but mods closed thier eyes on him



Plz dont banned me

lol no one is going to ban you just for providing the feedback, kindly report all such users to me directly

 

[murtaza12]

first discussions about unlocking MiFi devices was banned and now u cant sell digital items such as psn codes, games etc without getting permission from Jshak for which no justification was given.

seems like pakgamers management is becoming more and more controlling.

which is quite sad.

More and more controlling?

If you're so interested in unlocking, deal through PM and don't even think about reporting any issues to a mod if you get scammed or your device gets bricked or if someone gave you false instructions. Whoever was into that 'scene' was publicly posting IMEIs, serial numbers and bricking devices left, right and center. Not to mention, there were about 40 different threads about the same topic that had to be deleted. One thread was enough, everyone was warned, as usual nobody listened.

Let me give you an example of how someone could benefit from the truck load of IMEIs posted in those threads.

I bought a used Galaxy S5, it was carrier branded to EE UK, I'm assuming it was blacklisted and reported stolen and sold and eventually landed in Pakistan, that's how most of these imported 'used' devices come here, but in practically brand new condition. Like the one I bought.
Anyhow, I bought it in April 2015, in June 2015, I traveled abroad with it. Used a foreign SIM in it abroad, completed my 2 week journey, returned to Pakistan, popped my Warid SIM back in, tried calling my dad when I had just landed at the airport and the call wouldn't go through, neither would any SMS's. Only LTE was working.
I found it strange, however it was 2 AM at the time, didn't want to think too much about it. Went home, woke up the next morning, to find there was an X sign on the signal bars, the network said 'Unknown' and oddly enough, LTE was still working fine. Did some research, had Rizwan (Riz) do a blacklist check, turns out the phone was blacklisted.
I tried flashing different modems, changing ROMs, anything I could, I couldn't get a stable cellular signal on it.
In this case, I had 2 options:
1) Use the phone as an iPod / Media Player or a portable 4G hotspot.
2) Flash an IMEI on it. Now, obviously I couldn't flash the same IMEI, as that would defeat the whole purpose of me flashing an IMEI at all. So, I'd go out and look for one, hmmm.... the MiFi unlocking thread, seems like an excellent place to look for one. I could've picked anyone I wanted, and flashed it on to the phone, wouldn't affect me at all until PTA comes to knock on our doors for using one IMEI on more than one device. Another thing is, I could've used it to hide my identity, I could've flashed that IMEI on to any other Qualcomm based smartphone I had.

Aside from this, I don't think half the activities going on in those threads was even entirely legal. Unlocking network branded devices without buying codes or getting permission from the carrier to unlock them. There were also people selling modified firmwares that would unlock devices.

As for the PSN codes thing, I think it's a great idea that you have to get permission and provide your NIC copy. Back when I had recently purchased a PS3, I wanted PSN credit to download a Call of Duty DLC, I bought the code from a guy on OLX (this is 2011 btw), and went home and entered it into the PS Store, invalid code. Tried calling him back, he took no responsibility for it. The card itself that he gave me was brand new though, I had to scratch the silver coating thing off myself and enter the code, it was still invalid though.

If you need any more justification, Jshak and iNF3RN0 are here, you can ask them anything you want.

And lastly, if you really feel that PG is too controlling, then sorry to say, this forum isn't for you. With all the fraudulent activities going on, I think strict and controlling is what we need right now.

Regards
Murtaza12

 

[AbbY]

Although Inferno himself has responded quite adequately, I'll add to it from a moderators perspective nonetheless.

first discussions about unlocking MiFi devices was banned

I don't know what logic there is behind the first rule.

You know, there's always a reason behind the rules and regulations. Behind the banning of certain discussions. First and foremost, we, at PakGamers, DO NOT promote illegal activities. Those discussions were outright illegal and against the rules.

Secondly, I don't know if you're aware, but posting your IMEI's like this poses a great deal of risk to you yourself. We're only looking out for our community. We don't want our people getting into trouble due to naivety/lack of information.

Again, we don't get fun out of creating rules. We don't do it to tease the members.

and now u cant sell digital items such as psn codes, games etc without getting permission from Jshak for which no justification was given.

Alveaenerle has summed it up pretty much perfectly.

But I can understand the digital keys' rule. There are a lot of people who commit digital keys scams. Purchase a bunch of keys through credit card> sell aforementioned keys> call your bank and get the payment revoked/do a chargeback> profit; the buyers get screwed in this scenario because once the payment gets declined, the keys also get revoked. Not to mention there's no real proof of ownership with the sale of keys; the seller can just up and run after receiving the money.

Again, we don't enjoy putting you guys through additional security. But, you'd be surprised as to how high the fraud rate is with online purchases and digital keys.

Even in the case of entire Origin accounts being sold, sometimes the account sellers simply use the security question etc to change the passwords and recover the account after selling. Turning off their cell-phones, and, selling the account on to another victim.

All this HAS happened in the past and then the victims come crying to us asking for help. What can we do in such cases?

seems like pakgamers management is becoming more and more controlling.

which is quite sad.

Hmmm.. So PakGamers Management becoming more controlling vs PakGamers becoming a fraudulent hub like some other popular trading websites in Pakistan. Which one of the two would you pick?

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Same situation for me the greedy mods are not allow me to post any selling thread here on pakgmers because of thier useless thinking that i am diong some real business here and selling bulk items and they force me to buy premium service which cost alot for me there are lots of pg member whos selling lots of computer items but mods closed thier eyes on him



Plz dont banned me

Sir, your case is different. It's typical of people to tell one sided stories.
If I recall correctly, you put for sale about 18 or 19 different GPUs in a span of 3 months or so. We promote trading between items of personal use. For business quantities, quantities that cannot be justified as daily use, the sellers are required to purchase Premium stores.

As for members who sell lots of computer items, myself, and my fellow moderators DO look out at such thread creators. I've personally deleted dozens of such threads. However, we are humans. Sometimes we miss threads and people doing bulk selling under disguise of regular membership. In those cases, we must be assisted. Report such people to the moderators and we will have a look at their cases.

Rest assured, no one gets 'special treatment' or 'biased treatment'. The moderators do not have anything against ANY member.

The 'greedy moderators' do not get paid a penny out of the premium membership. The Premium fee's help to run these forums. So, why would I, or any other moderator, want to delete your threads just for 'greed'. We do this voluntarily and not for money, you know.

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As an ending note, I'd just like to say again that all these rules and implementations of them is what makes PakGamers the community it is. Most people come here to trade because of the 'trustworthiness' and 'far less scam than the other places'. Why is it this way? Why is this community trustworthy? The answer is simple. It's the rules. It's our job to keep control lest scam and fraud prevails.

 

[NaNoW]

first discussions about unlocking MiFi devices was banned and now u cant sell digital items such as psn codes, games etc without getting permission from Jshak for which no justification was given.

seems like pakgamers management is becoming more and more controlling.

which is quite sad.

Lol....Pakgamers has become more democratic than ever before...I actively ask for your suggestions every few month, and try to make changes with respect to valid concerns.

Anyways isnt it better to first do your research than post stuff ???

This announcement has been posted for nearly a month now :

19-02-16 until 22-04-16Discussion about Unlocking MiFi Devices NOT ALLOWED anymore

All discussions regarding unlocking of Portable wireless devices or 'MiFi' devices are not allowed from now on.

This is both for the safety of this forum and of the users. IMEIs were posted on this forum which is available for viewing even to non-members.

IMEIs can be used and flashed onto other devices without you ever knowing and changing IMEI is ILLEGAL. Please refrain from discussing anything with regards to the unlock/downgrade/hack of these devices.

Anyone creating more threads/posts with tutorials or links to software or contact numbers of people that can downgrade/unlock these devices will be deleted and the user will be reported and severely dealt with. Selling unlocked/downgraded/hacked devices with Modified IMEIs is not permitted in this section.

If you have a legally unlocked device, you can sell it in the marketplace, but this section is for queries and discussions related to Broadband.

If you have any queries, PM me or abobobilly or murtaza12

More information on the risks of posting IMEI number online : Risk of posting IMEI number online​

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Anyone with even slight power of logical deduction would be able to tell you why we prohibited non-verifiable users from selling keys, cards, points, etc

Sale of Game Keys, Accounts and other Codes / Digital Cards etc.

Hi Everyone

It is notified for information of all concerned that sale of all types of Game Keys, Accounts and other digital codes, keys, psn/amazon cards, products is prohibited unless specifically allowed by the forum management. If you want to sell anything like this, you may first approach @Jshak via PM with complete information for permission and do not post any such thread unless you have a go ahead from him.

Violation of above rules will invoke disciplinary proceedings which might result into a permanent ban.


Team PG​

now what should we do with you

 

[Sire Ahsan]

Yeh to pher bhe achay din hain. Jab full Team PG purani full force main hoti thi ... we would ban left and right.

Hail the banhammer.

On a serious note. Digital keys etc have serious fraud issues. And unlocking MiFi devices probably has legal concerns with PTA as well.

This strictness is the difference between Pakgamers and OLX.

Plus, this is just a marketplace restriction. This forum is still very open on discussions. There are forums which would ban you for the use of a F word or just voicing a different opinion.

HAIL PG!

 

[NaNoW]

@AbbY @Sire Ahsan this is a worthy thread for http://www.pakgamers.com/forums/f21/compilation-pgs-phail-threads-wall-65033/index2.html ? no?

 

[sufi]

[MENTION=132504]Samahir[/MENTION] sold me his own account and recovered it by Asking origin thats its being stolen. He is now banned but i lost my 9$ . So thats good step becoz if someone want to sale he has to go past through Jshak .. Chances of scamming will be lesser now .


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[killerdons]

@AbbY @Sire Ahsan this is a worthy thread for http://www.pakgamers.com/forums/f21/compilation-pgs-phail-threads-wall-65033/index2.html ? no?

Here's my suggestion, delete the Phail thread. On one hand you guys have justified your actions, then you belittle the OP by this comment. I read the replies of the mods and they were quite polite and thorough and most probably all the doubts that the OP and others had, have been cleared.

 

[Shary Bhallu TC]

Yeh to pher bhe achay din hain. Jab full Team PG purani full force main hoti thi ... we would ban left and right.

Hail the banhammer.

On a serious note. Digital keys etc have serious fraud issues. And unlocking MiFi devices probably has legal concerns with PTA as well.

This strictness is the difference between Pakgamers and OLX.

Plus, this is just a marketplace restriction. This forum is still very open on discussions. There are forums which would ban you for the use of a F word or just voicing a different opinion.

HAIL PG!

Those were the days <3

 

[AbbY]

Those were the days <3

Yes yes. And Mr. Bhallu got the banhammer too as an SV for a particular 'iPhone' thread. xD

Good days, indeed. Lol.

 

[assasin42o]

If unlocking mifi thread hadn't been banned, I wouldve never been able to unlock my zong 4g BY MYSELF TODAY.

Now I have realized that it is for our own safety.

Sent from my LG G4