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Honestly, you'd have benefited more if you bought Whey as a first supplement instead. Post workout scoop of whey helps a lot with muscle recovery and growth. I'm not sure if you already do that.

Anyway.

For Creatine, the Creatine you consume today, you can't ever use today, pre workout, post workout, whatever. It gets 'loaded' in your muscles over a more gradual period of time. Most people swear on loading practices that involve much higher doses in the first week, and then a less higher dose in the second and third, followed by cycling off. At this stage, you can take it pretty much any time of the day. Whenever you feel like it. Want to take it with your breakfast? Go ahead. There's no real proof of one time being more beneficial than another with Creatine. I don't know how the taste is, I've never used Creatine, but I did use an unflavored BCAA and my good lord it tasted terrible on it's own so you could try mixing it into your post workout shake (if you use protein shakes). If not, just have it whenever you feel like!

For BCAAs. Well, most people use it intraworkout although some take it pre, some post, and some both. I've tried all four combos and the one that I have finally settled for is intraworkout (especially with intense leg days). It keeps fueling me and gives me an extra energy kick and that's what a lot of the people swear by. I'd have gone for Xtend or Amino X over ON BCAA tho.

Good luck!
Yup, actually been taking Whey for almost a year now. One around noon and one immediately after my workout.

I also read about the Creatine loading phase, but not sure how safe it is for my kidneys :confused: Gonna just stick to a small regular dose.

As for the BCAAs, is it safe for me to take it so close to my post-workout drink? Like if I were to take it in the middle of my workout, workout for 20-30 minutes more and take my whey dose, is that fine? Since whey protein supplements already contain BCAAs.
 

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Yup, actually been taking Whey for almost a year now. One around noon and one immediately after my workout.
That's fine. Just don't exceed 2 scoops a day.

I also read about the Creatine loading phase, but not sure how safe it is for my kidneys :confused: Gonna just stick to a small regular dose.
Lol. A lot of people use Creatine. There have been no scientific studies proving that the kidneys get affected by Creatine loading. Furthermore, your liver produces Creatine so it's an amino acid that your body accepts readily without side affects. If the 'small regular dose' as you call is about 5g a day, then that too should work, in theory. I'm not speaking here from experience. Just biochemistry and what I've read up. One thing's for sure, though, you can't use Creatine today that you eat today. It'll get loaded up with time and your body will use it gradually.


As for the BCAAs, is it safe for me to take it so close to my post-workout drink? Like if I were to take it in the middle of my workout, workout for 20-30 minutes more and take my whey dose, is that fine? Since whey protein supplements already contain BCAAs.
Absolutely. Half the world takes it intra-workout.
I make mine in a little more water than is suggested on the back side. Also I put cold (very) water. I sip on it intra workout alongside water. The energy boost is definitely noticeable especially on leg days, which are not just heavy but also very intensive for me (my favorite day too!).

Finally, not all whey proteins have BCAAs. The most popular one, ON Gold Standard, does. Not sure which one you're taking. =)

And, you should be fine. I'd take it intraworkout if I were you. But, a lot of people swear by taking it pre-workout too.
 

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That's fine. Just don't exceed 2 scoops a day.


Lol. A lot of people use Creatine. There have been no scientific studies proving that the kidneys get affected by Creatine loading. Furthermore, your liver produces Creatine so it's an amino acid that your body accepts readily without side affects. If the 'small regular dose' as you call is about 5g a day, then that too should work, in theory. I'm not speaking here from experience. Just biochemistry and what I've read up. One thing's for sure, though, you can't use Creatine today that you eat today. It'll get loaded up with time and your body will use it gradually.




Absolutely. Half the world takes it intra-workout.
I make mine in a little more water than is suggested on the back side. Also I put cold (very) water. I sip on it intra workout alongside water. The energy boost is definitely noticeable especially on leg days, which are not just heavy but also very intensive for me (my favorite day too!).

Finally, not all whey proteins have BCAAs. The most popular one, ON Gold Standard, does. Not sure which one you're taking. =)

And, you should be fine. I'd take it intraworkout if I were you. But, a lot of people swear by taking it pre-workout too.
Yes, I'm taking ON Gold Standard. Cheers for the tips bro, really helpful! Can you also post a list of the products that you take and how effective you found them to be? So I know what to get when I go shopping next time.
 

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Yes, I'm taking ON Gold Standard. Cheers for the tips bro, really helpful! Can you also post a list of the products that you take and how effective you found them to be? So I know what to get when I go shopping next time.
I'm working out since a long time now and I know a lot about the supplements too. In short, supplements like

Whey Protein will help you get to your macros easily. Macros: Proteins,Carbs and Fats per day. You can consume 1 scoop, you can consume 5 scoops. Doesn't matter. It will cause acne if you don't drink enough water or don't take a shower after gym :laugh1: I've tried almost every sort of legal supplement till now and all seems to work fine.
Creatine: Helps in muscle fullness and gives you strength. How? By retaining some water and providing it to muscles. Water = Oxygen = More muscle strength. Simple. You might gain some weight with the consumption of Creatine. It's best to take it ANYTIME but studies have that it had better results when mixed with Post workout Shake. So yeah, throw it in your post workout shake.
Multivitamin: Necessary if your diet is poor so that you can fulfill your overall MICROS. Vitamin A,B,C etc etc. You won't see any difference in your gains but good for overall health.
Fish Oil: Has essential fats. You won't see any difference in your gains but good for overall health.

BCAA: Branched Chain Amino Acids. They are different from Aminos. I will only recommend BCAA to someone with a low protein intake because it helps in increasing protein synthesis. If you're already consuming enough Protein, you don't need BCAA because protein already has BCAA in it... So you don't need to purchase them.


As you said in earlier posts about Pre-Workout and Coffee, your Pre workout has 175 MG caffeine in it. That's like 2 mugs of coffee so you don't need caffeine from any other sources.
The label of your pre workout says: "DO NOT CONSUME CAFFEINE FROM OTHER SOURCES WHILE TAKING THIS PRODUCT AS TOO MUCH CAFFEINE MAY CAUSE NERVOUSNESS, IRRITABILITY, SLEEPLESSNESS, AND OCCASIONALLY RAPID HEARTBEAT"

Good luck brother. I hope that would be of some help now.
One last thing that I've came to know over the period of time. You can eat chicken too right after your workout. Protein powder is just POWDERED FOOD.


Edit: Flavoured BCAAs are taken intra workout mostly while the unflavoured onces are taken before or after the workout.
You won't feel any difference with BCAA or anything until and unless your diet isn't in line properly.


 
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That's fine. Just don't exceed 2 scoops a day.


Lol. A lot of people use Creatine. There have been no scientific studies proving that the kidneys get affected by Creatine loading. Furthermore, your liver produces Creatine so it's an amino acid that your body accepts readily without side affects. If the 'small regular dose' as you call is about 5g a day, then that too should work, in theory. I'm not speaking here from experience. Just biochemistry and what I've read up. One thing's for sure, though, you can't use Creatine today that you eat today. It'll get loaded up with time and your body will use it gradually.




Absolutely. Half the world takes it intra-workout.
I make mine in a little more water than is suggested on the back side. Also I put cold (very) water. I sip on it intra workout alongside water. The energy boost is definitely noticeable especially on leg days, which are not just heavy but also very intensive for me (my favorite day too!).

Finally, not all whey proteins have BCAAs. The most popular one, ON Gold Standard, does. Not sure which one you're taking. =)

And, you should be fine. I'd take it intraworkout if I were you. But, a lot of people swear by taking it pre-workout too.
But my brother, Protein has BCAA in it. It's just marketing tactics :) Even milk has BCAAs.
 

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I'm working out since a long time now and I know a lot about the supplements too. In short, supplements like

Whey Protein will help you get to your macros easily. Macros: Proteins,Carbs and Fats per day. You can consume 1 scoop, you can consume 5 scoops. Doesn't matter. It will cause acne if you don't drink enough water or don't take a shower after gym :laugh1:
Lmao. Who told you that you can consume 5 scoops a day? They're called "SUPPLEMENTS". Whey protein is NOT a whole food replacement. Read the back of the label. Pretty much every product says Never consume more than the daily dosage, which in most cases is roughly two servings, and, most whey protein powders are single scoop servings. Can only think of Natures Best Isopure off the top of my head that's two scoops a serving.

Whole food is always a better source but all supplements to is help make things easier for you. It's entirely possible to make gains without them, but over-consuming them? That's how kidneys fail. That's how the Pakistani stigma with supplements is formed, at large. Everything in moderation is good for you. Water is good for you. Doesn't mean you start drinking 20 litres a day.

I've tried almost every sort of legal supplement till now and all seems to work fine.
Creatine: Helps in muscle fullness and gives you strength. How? By retaining some water and providing it to muscles. Water = Oxygen = More muscle strength. Simple. You might gain some weight with the consumption of Creatine. It's best to take it ANYTIME but studies have that it had better results when mixed with Post workout Shake. So yeah, throw it in your post workout shake.


BCAA: Branched Chain Amino Acids. They are different from Aminos. I will only recommend BCAA to someone with a low protein intake because it helps in increasing protein synthesis. If you're already consuming enough Protein, you don't need BCAA because protein already has BCAA in it... So you don't need to purchase them.
You don't need to drink whey protein if you get enough from food.

The concept isn't just to get the numbers in, but rather, when you get them in. You can't just eat all your protein in breakfast and then expect to make gains. That's not how the human body works.

I'm not saying that one can't do without BCAAs, but having them is just an aid to you. Much like any supplement works, pretty much.

The benefits of BCAAs, off the top of my head, all backed by science [can provide articles from academic journals] -> They help in keeping anabolic exercise longer, they're anti-catabolism, they reduce fatigue, they speed up recovery (especially those which have glutamine in them), decrease serotonin levels etc. Post workout, they reduce cortisol levels so less muscle is destroyed and higher levels of protein synthesis is possible in the muscle tissues.

Yes. BCAAs are present in some protein powders and a lot of whole foods. HOWEVER, taking them in their free form, especially intraworkout, has other benefits. You're comparing two different roles of the product.

Post workout BCAAs most people tend to meet using whole foods, but the role of BCAAs becomes much more important when cutting. (Not saying that it's not possible to cut without them. They're an aid, not a necessity)

One last thing that I've came to know over the period of time. You can eat chicken too right after your workout. Protein powder is just POWDERED FOOD.
I'm sorry but I'm going to have to disagree with you.

First of all, protein powder isn't just powdered food. In a nutshell, when you extract spheroproteins from whey (which is a byproduct of cheese manufacturing), you're left with what the common man knows as 'Whey Protein'. This is not just food that's in powdered form. These proteins are present in predigested forms (especially with Hydrolysed proteins) which ensures that the body rapidly takes them up.

You can eat chicken too. Of course. But the difference becomes prominent once you understand your goals.
You can gain muscle slowly or you can gain muscle at optimal speeds. You DIET controls this. There's a reason to why diets are carb intensive in the mornings, fat intensive in the nights. The body responds a lot more differently to weird diet patterns. I can assure you guys that 90% of the people who say that we work out but are still not getting any gains, or have chicken arms and legs, their eating habits.

I always say this. Whole sources of food are always better at ANYTHING, be it carnitine, protein, amino acids, vitamins, bla bla, HOWEVER, post workout, nothing beats whey protein simply because of how fast it digests and the %protein per amount consumed.

The closest whole food item that I can think of, that will provide you fast digesting proteins is egg whites. So, if you really had to replace your "powdered food", I'd do it with eggs, not chicken. I'd still eat chicken, but at a later time. Eggs immediately after workout.


You won't feel any difference with BCAA or anything until and unless your diet isn't in line properly.
True.
Then again, you won't feel any difference with working out unless your diet is in line ;)

I know so very many people who were skinny but left the gym 3-4 months into it because 'we didn't get any gains'. People amuse me. They think that just lifting two dumbbells they can become muscular without eating proper quantities of protein. Khair. THat's an argument for another time.


But my brother, Protein has BCAA in it. It's just marketing tactics :) Even milk has BCAAs.
Yes. They do. Chicken, fish, beef, eggs etc. Protein doesn't, by itself. Protein is made up of chains of the 20 amino acids. BCAAs are three of those 20. Namely, Leucine, Isoleucine and Valine. BCAAs form proteins but proteins aren't necessarily BCAAs.

It's certainly not just marketing techniques. Every product has a different use and a different purpose. I've explained to the best of my abilities their uses up in the previous quote. They're not something the average joe can't do without, but they're certainly not gimmicks.

One final note. I'm a Chemical Engineering major with a great degree of involvement in nutritional biochemistry and medicinal biochemistry technicals. In addition to that, my work invovles a lot of research into these things. I'm just stating this to remind you that I'm not a bro-science gym trainer 'Gullu' who recommends 'red wali goli on Monday green wali goli on Tuesday and yellow wali goli on Wednesday'.
 

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Yes, I'm taking ON Gold Standard. Cheers for the tips bro, really helpful! Can you also post a list of the products that you take and how effective you found them to be? So I know what to get when I go shopping next time.
What works for one person need not work for another. Secondly, your goals define what products you need.

Currently, I'm in a cutting phase (contrary to most people who bulk during the winters :hah:)

My 'stack' per se comprises of:

- ON Gold Standard Whey (Double Rich Chocolate)
- Scitec 100% Whey (Vanilla Very Berry)
- Scivation Xtend BCAA
- Centrum mutivit
- Omega 3 fish oils (Not sure what brand. Carlson I think)

I consume them in the following manner.
1 scoop ON immediately post lifting.
Xtend intra workout
Multivit + fishoils at night around dinner.

Scitec whey I use primarily for the taste. I shake it into milk if I'm having a milkshakey craving. Sometimes I mix it into yogurt, and most often I make protein pancakes using it. It's more of a sugary cravings staple for me.

Now before anyone says that I can/should use better products such as Dymatize iso100 and Natures Best Isopure for cutting. I'm well aware of that. Unfortunately, those two are shitass expensive here in Turkey relative to ON products, so, they just don't cut the bill for me.
 

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I have a similar problem. What I have read is that the cause is stress and laziness.
so chew some gum and sleep properly which is the best way to fight stress. so much depends upon your daily routine though.
Honestly, for me, nothing beats fighting stress like pumping iron. Puts my motivation through the skies (especially deadlifts!!) and reduces overall stress levels significantly. Also increases endorphins and increases serotonin and dopamine levels.

Also, I wouldn't rely on chewing gum all too much. It's not too good for the TMJ joint. Once in a while is alright, just don't become dependent upon it.
 

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Lmao. Who told you that you can consume 5 scoops a day? They're called "SUPPLEMENTS". Whey protein is NOT a whole food replacement. Read the back of the label. Pretty much every product says Never consume more than the daily dosage, which in most cases is roughly two servings, and, most whey protein powders are single scoop servings.
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5 scoops is fine mate. 1 in the morning, 1 before workout, 2 post and 1 casein scoop at bedtime. I need 1.5g of protein per pound of my body weight to pack on muscle and getting that from just food alone means I'll have to eat A LOT throughout the day which can be done but is not possible in a busy routine plus the side effects of gaining flab here n there.
5 scoops to reach your goals and then maintain it with just 2-3 with proper diet.


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Has anybody had acne problems because of working out? My face was perfectly clear and just 3 days ago I decided to start working out so I'm doing treadmill for a while to lose excess weight but in just 3 days I have pimples popping up here and there. Does anybody have a solution for this or have gone through a similar situation?

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Has anybody had acne problems because of working out? My face was perfectly clear and just 3 days ago I decided to start working out so I'm doing treadmill for a while to lose excess weight but in just 3 days I have pimples popping up here and there. Does anybody have a solution for this or have gone through a similar situation?

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What's your daily water intake?


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Has anybody had acne problems because of working out? My face was perfectly clear and just 3 days ago I decided to start working out so I'm doing treadmill for a while to lose excess weight but in just 3 days I have pimples popping up here and there. Does anybody have a solution for this or have gone through a similar situation?

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Such a problem should not occur. Drink enough water and take shower right after working out. Gym sweat can cause the acne.


@AbbY I told you what I got to know from my information :p I can be wrong.

Well, try Sporter. com for supplements. Choose Turkey and see. You'll find supplements a lot cheaper there. I choose UAE and order there through my cousins. They bring it for me then.

Whey Isolate isn't necessary during cutting in my opinion if you've got your carbs calculated. There's not much of a difference.
I was using MuscleTech Whey Isolate that had 2g Carbs while my current Syntha 6 has 13g carbs. Not a big difference imo. As far as you don't eat Bananas during your cut. :D Lol

Good luck bro. I've gained 10kgs of lean muscle over the year and I'm really impressed with the results.
Again, DIET DIET and DIET + training smartly.

I was on a program in my 6th or 7th month and I used to go to the gym 3 days a week. I made significant gains and got so much strength while I also used to think that 6 days a week is better than 3. LOL.

Going to start another one after my contest inshaALLAH and that will be 4 days a week consisting of Upper/Lower split...
 
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5 scoops is fine mate. 1 in the morning, 1 before workout, 2 post and 1 casein scoop at bedtime. I need 1.5g of protein per pound of my body weight to pack on muscle and getting that from just food alone means I'll have to eat A LOT throughout the day which can be done but is not possible in a busy routine plus the side effects of gaining flab here n there.
5 scoops to reach your goals and then maintain it with just 2-3 with proper diet.


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It's not recommended generally. Neither the supplement companies, nor many fitness experts. Regardless, if someone wants to consume it, who am I to say anything. Not my body the protein is going into.


Has anybody had acne problems because of working out? My face was perfectly clear and just 3 days ago I decided to start working out so I'm doing treadmill for a while to lose excess weight but in just 3 days I have pimples popping up here and there. Does anybody have a solution for this or have gone through a similar situation?

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If you're taking Whey protein then it makes sense because whey protein stimulates sebum production which results in acne to acne prone people. I am one of them but I still take whey because I have no other option at the moment. Will maintain using whole foods when I achieve my goals.

Apart from that I can't think of anything other than you're letting sweat dry out. It's important to realise that (especially in acne prone people) when sweat dries out on your skin, it provides a feeding ground for bacteria which in turn results in acne. Hot/warm shower post workout is the solution, though I reckon you already shower after. If you can't shower immediately after, use a small towel/handkerchief that's wet with warm water and wipe your face with it. That should do the trick.

@AbbY I told you what I got to know from my information :p I can be wrong.

Well, try Sporter. com for supplements. Choose Turkey and see. You'll find supplements a lot cheaper there. I choose UAE and order there through my cousins. They bring it for me then.

Whey Isolate isn't necessary during cutting in my opinion if you've got your carbs calculated. There's not much of a difference.
I was using MuscleTech Whey Isolate that had 2g Carbs while my current Syntha 6 has 13g carbs. Not a big difference imo. As far as you don't eat Bananas during your cut. :D Lol
Sporter doesn't deliver in Turkey. I've got other options here but the difference in prices always drives me towards ON. Also used MyProtein and it's good but hated the taste of it. Not that ON tastes too good, it's just cheap af here.

I know Whey Isolate isn't necessary. Heck, whey itself isn't necessary. It just makes thing's a lot easier.
The thing you're missing out is, Isolates have much less lactose content making them more suitable for a cut. Secondly, they absorb faster than concentrates and blended proteins, but, of course, taste worse because of the lower fat + carb content.

And, it's not just about the numbers you're getting in. What also matters is how rapidly they digest. On a cut, I don't really need carbs post workout as such, they're more useful pre-workout, so the leaner the shake, the better, especially in phases when my daily macros work out to be like ~ 90g Carbs a day. Regardless, that's another debate.

Secondly, comparing anything to Syntha 6 is a farce! Hardly anything comes close to the Syntha 6's profile, it's so high in carbs and cholesterol levels, but, the taste is unparalleled. Would definitely buy again =p
 

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Hey guys I have been wanting to start working out for so long but there's always something that wont let me, financial problems, college and things like that, I'm pretty skinny, really really skinny, almost 45 kg and I'm so tired of being weak, it sometimes makes me depressed because I don't have confidence at all and when there's a fight I get pretty scared i feel like shit because i cant defend the people i care about heck I cant even defend myself (I could write a wall of text but this is not the thread for it), I want to gain muscle as fast as possible, so can anyone tell me where to start from, my diet is messed up I don't eat enough and I hate red meat, I used to be sporty so i don't have that much fat, I can see the veins on my thighs too so I'd like to maintain that fat % or maybe lose some more fat, I don't want to build too much muscle, just enough so I can fit in most of the clothes and look sexy ;) and where can I get protein supplements for a little lower price because money is a problem for me and i'll have to pay for the gym too.
 

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Hey guys I have been wanting to start working out for so long but there's always something that wont let me, financial problems, college and things like that, I'm pretty skinny, really really skinny, almost 45 kg and I'm so tired of being weak, it sometimes makes me depressed because I don't have confidence at all and when there's a fight I get pretty scared i feel like shit because i cant defend the people i care about heck I cant even defend myself (I could write a wall of text but this is not the thread for it), I want to gain muscle as fast as possible, so can anyone tell me where to start from, my diet is messed up I don't eat enough and I hate red meat, I used to be sporty so i don't have that much fat, I can see the veins on my thighs too so I'd like to maintain that fat % or maybe lose some more fat, I don't want to build too much muscle, just enough so I can fit in most of the clothes and look sexy ;) and where can I get protein supplements for a little lower price because money is a problem for me and i'll have to pay for the gym too.
I can recommend you a lot of things but for starting just keep these in mind:

1- Dont be hasty. There is no shortcut dont try to find any, you will waste time. Keep up your motivation which is the main thing. and go to gym regularly.

2- By regularly I mean 3 to 4 times a week not more than that. You can read about it what I have said it from the internet.

3- Your body grows when you rest. So Sleep, take rest. your preference should be Eating, resting then exercising.

Remember the night is long and full of terrors :p :D IT will be a long journey take supplements so that you can see the results a bit early. Eat fish, Try to eat less carb. Eliminate fast food and all drinks. Malts, Cola's, Red apple, RedBulls, everything just leave them. They are bad. Stop all sweet dishes no matter what everyone say. Main drinks should be water and shakes and milk. add protein powder where you want.

Hope you get there fast.
 

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I can recommend you a lot of things but for starting just keep these in mind:

1- Dont be hasty. There is no shortcut dont try to find any, you will waste time. Keep up your motivation which is the main thing. and go to gym regularly.

2- By regularly I mean 3 to 4 times a week not more than that. You can read about it what I have said it from the internet.

3- Your body grows when you rest. So Sleep, take rest. your preference should be Eating, resting then exercising.

Remember the night is long and full of terrors :p :D IT will be a long journey take supplements so that you can see the results a bit early. Eat fish, Try to eat less carb. Eliminate fast food and all drinks. Malts, Cola's, Red apple, RedBulls, everything just leave them. They are bad. Stop all sweet dishes no matter what everyone say. Main drinks should be water and shakes and milk. add protein powder where you want.

Hope you get there fast.
Where can I get supplements for cheaper price? and how much protein will I need?
 

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weight gainer suggestion

Assalamu alaikum members of this forum,

Please suggest me good weight gainer that actually works.

Joining the GYM is not possible for me because I don,t have time for this and it is very difficult for me to eat again after few hours.
that why thinking to try weight Gainer supplement.

little research I found these two.

1. Optimum Nutrition Pro Gainer Protein Powder
2. Optimum Nutrition Serious Mass Gainer Protein Powder

I don,t sure which one is good or which one i should try? I am new to this kind of thing.
 
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    saeen I don't think the PSN teams are stressing over needing to offer hundreds of thousands of refunds lol
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  • Necrokiller Necrokiller:
    fuckin' lol
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  • Necrokiller Necrokiller:
    Saeen literally glossed over the fact that PSN isn't available in those 177 countries
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  • Chandoo Chandoo:
    fuckin' lol
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  • Chandoo Chandoo:
    Helldivers 2 delisted on Steam from 177 countries
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  • Necrokiller Necrokiller:
    iampasha said:
    Alan wake 2 is yet to recover it's development costs. Due to no physical release and no steam launch.
    You reap what you sow. This is what happens when you take away choice from consumers. Even with 88% split going to developers, they can't recoup costs. Meanwhile, Helldivers 2 is a massive hit for Sony thanks in big part to Steam.
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  • iampasha iampasha:
    Alan wake 2 is yet to recover it's development costs. Due to no physical release and no steam launch.
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  • NaNoW NaNoW:
    ....
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  • faraany3k faraany3k:
    Tears of Kingdom saal pehle shuru ki thee, ab tk pehle area se nai nikla. Life sucks donkey balls.
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  • Necrokiller Necrokiller:
    Buh buh buh didn't you know that "sT3aM iS a moN0-pololly" 🤣
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  • EternalBlizzard EternalBlizzard:
    You can't defeat Lord Gaben :ROFLMAO:
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    StrikerX StrikerX: Mofos sharpened a spear and shoved it up theirs and Arrowhead's ass