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saadi939

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Lots of congrats for your new job.
just a few questions..

You were working in advisory dept at A.F.F right? Was it difficult to switch to Audit? Or is its experience counted as the same?

And you were doing CFA as well right? How's that going? Has it been a help to you in landing the job there?
 

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sajid kapadia student han ??
Nope. F8 from Kashif Kamran and P7 from Sulaiman Bawany.

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ur explaination was excellent :)
btw bussiness risk isnt in our syllabus , it will be tested in p7 :)

actually i was finding a bit difficulty in attempting a question by relating it with a scenario.
but now i am feeling a bit accomplished after attempting final MOCK and got positive feedback from my tutor.

btw i have sent u pm , plz check
Keep doing practice questions and you'll get better at it.

I did not receive any PM from you.
 

alamode

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Lots of congrats for your new job.
just a few questions..

You were working in advisory dept at A.F.F right? Was it difficult to switch to Audit? Or is its experience counted as the same?

And you were doing CFA as well right? How's that going? Has it been a help to you in landing the job there?
Audit is very repetitive.. For example you have to perform more or less the same procedures on receivables/payables etc at every client.. So its not that hard once you get the hang of it. It was difficult at the start to grasp things, but now i'm comfortable with it. But the experience in advisory and audit is completely different.

CFA is on hold at the moment, and nope CFA is not of any relevance in an audit related job so nah that wasn't a big factor.
 

saadi939

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Audit is very repetitive.. For example you have to perform more or less the same procedures on receivables/payables etc at every client.. So its not that hard once you get the hang of it. It was difficult at the start to grasp things, but now i'm comfortable with it. But the experience in advisory and audit is completely different.

CFA is on hold at the moment, and nope CFA is not of any relevance in an audit related job so nah that wasn't a big factor.
So does it usually happen that advisory people get a transfer to audit easily or is yours a one off case? Like as you mentioned yourself that both are quite different fields..

actually, i myself got in ey risk advisory dept. and have started CFA like you did. And though i havent started much work yet, but from what im hearing from seniors is that advisory will only build one's career in internal audit. Is it true? Especially moving to a CFA related job after 3 years?
 

Xzan23

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Experience definitely. Most of us got hired because we have experience of audit firms here in Pakistan. Infact ALL of us who are hired, we all have experience in audit firms. So if you want to move abroad, getting experience in Big 4 firms is a big plus (but not a guarantee mind you)

Qualification is not that important to be honest over here. If you have one qualification (ACCA or CA) that would be fine but there are people who have no qualification yet they are Senior then me only because they've started their career from Middle East..
I see i see, Very informative... And am i right when i say that we are wayy past the age when we can get jobs abroad while sitting in pak? I mean if we are commited towards working abroad, we have to take the risk of leaving our job here in pak and going abroad for a job hunt.... because i dont see any pakistani firm giving us a month or two off any time of the year.

So does it usually happen that advisory people get a transfer to audit easily or is yours a one off case? Like as you mentioned yourself that both are quite different fields..

actually, i myself got in ey risk advisory dept. and have started CFA like you did. And though i havent started much work yet, but from what im hearing from seniors is that advisory will only build one's career in internal audit. Is it true? Especially moving to a CFA related job after 3 years?
I personally think that this can usually happen. No matter whichever service we work in during our 3 year training period, we can always change our service after membership... Altough the 3 years can have a huge influence in getting us a job in a relevant field, like internal audit for you, but you will always have a choice of switching services... I guess thats when your real career starts.
 

alamode

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So does it usually happen that advisory people get a transfer to audit easily or is yours a one off case? Like as you mentioned yourself that both are quite different fields..

actually, i myself got in ey risk advisory dept. and have started CFA like you did. And though i havent started much work yet, but from what im hearing from seniors is that advisory will only build one's career in internal audit. Is it true? Especially moving to a CFA related job after 3 years?
You can change, but its not easy. Obviously after 3 years when you go for an audit related job and they see you have experience in advisory, they wont want to hire you.. They'd probably hire someone who has audit experience. So yeah its a bit difficult to change line of service. If you really want to change your line of service, try to do it right now.. dont wait 3 years. If you're sure you dont want to work in advisory, move as soon as possible since you're only wasting your time by getting experience in a field in which you dont want to make a career in! I definitely am one of the one off cases.. the rest of the people hired, they are all from audit.

I see i see, Very informative... And am i right when i say that we are wayy past the age when we can get jobs abroad while sitting in pak? I mean if we are commited towards working abroad, we have to take the risk of leaving our job here in pak and going abroad for a job hunt.... because i dont see any pakistani firm giving us a month or two off any time of the year.

I personally think that this can usually happen. No matter whichever service we work in during our 3 year training period, we can always change our service after membership... Altough the 3 years can have a huge influence in getting us a job in a relevant field, like internal audit for you, but you will always have a choice of switching services... I guess thats when your real career starts.
I got job abroad while sitting in pak :p.. but again depends on your luck.. I consider myself very lucky to have this opportunity. But you know if you are in an audit firm, specially in Ernst and Young, at the end of the articles you get chances to go abroad for secondments so that can help you secure a job abroad. Secondly, once you spend 3-4 years in an audit firm, you develop relations with your seniors and colleagues who go on abroad.. so when your article-ship ends, you can give them your CV and ask them to refer you.. this again helps you alot.. So for people with Big 4 experience, moving abroad is not difficult.

As for the career change, thats a misconception that you can change fields. Its not easy.. im a one off and i had to take a few sacrifices to change my field (lower position and lower salary). So if you want to spend your articles in advisory, and then move into audit.. you cant expect to get the same salary and same position as those people who have spend their entire articles in audit. So even if you switch, you will go one level below your fellow collegues from audit. So its best to pick a service line where you want to make your career, and stick to it. Be it TAS, Advisory, Audit, Tax etc.

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So does it usually happen that advisory people get a transfer to audit easily or is yours a one off case? Like as you mentioned yourself that both are quite different fields..

actually, i myself got in ey risk advisory dept. and have started CFA like you did. And though i havent started much work yet, but from what im hearing from seniors is that advisory will only build one's career in internal audit. Is it true? Especially moving to a CFA related job after 3 years?
Btw, if you want to move to a CFA related job, both advisory and audit are irrelevant :D.. so you can do your articles in either one of them, wont make much difference. CFA is a completely different field and not much of your audit or advisory experience is going to help you with it.
 

saadi939

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Btw, if you want to move to a CFA related job, both advisory and audit are irrelevant :D.. so you can do your articles in either one of them, wont make much difference. CFA is a completely different field and not much of your audit or advisory experience is going to help you with it.
yeah thats what people here are telling me..
I am in Financial Services section of advisory dept though.. Would it be of any help?
and whats the way to progress in this field? Like any qualification relevant to it? People talk about doing CIA. But is it better what about going for MBA?
 

alamode

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Why dont you try to move into Transaction Advisory? I heard EY's TAS department is pretty good. Go there if you want to move into a CFA related field.. spend your articles there, it will benefit you alot more when you look for a CFA related job at the end of your articles as opposed to completing articles in Audit/Advisory and then finding a CFA related job
 

alamode

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yeah thats what people here are telling me..
I am in Financial Services section of advisory dept though.. Would it be of any help?
and whats the way to progress in this field? Like any qualification relevant to it? People talk about doing CIA. But is it better what about going for MBA?
Doesnt matter.. Financial Services or not, the work is pretty much the same in advisory. Mostly in Risk Advisory there are mostly Banks anyway becuase Banks have to report on their internal controls and meet certain SBP requirements so risk advisory scope is mostly in Banks anyway but still the work isnt even a little bit related to CFA.

For advisory, its recommended you go for CIA, however even if you are just ACCA or CA, its fine.. Risk Advisory is a very non technical field. You just need good business sense.
 

saadi939

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@saadi939
Why dont you try to move into Transaction Advisory? I heard EY's TAS department is pretty good. Go there if you want to move into a CFA related field.. spend your articles there, it will benefit you alot more when you look for a CFA related job at the end of your articles as opposed to completing articles in Audit/Advisory and then finding a CFA related job
That is pretty hard, to switch departments. especially when i have signed the contract.. I talked about this during my interview, but the interviewer said that it would not be possible.
But from what i have seen till now, advisory is not that bad. definitely TAS is better, but im finding advisory interesting as well.
Can you tell me from your experience about the career in this field. like what type of jobs do these guys get after 3 years?

Another question I have (if you dont mind), what do you personally plan regarding CFA? like as you say that the experience of audit and advisory isnt relevant...
 

alamode

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That is pretty hard, to switch departments. especially when i have signed the contract.. I talked about this during my interview, but the interviewer said that it would not be possible.
But from what i have seen till now, advisory is not that bad. definitely TAS is better, but im finding advisory interesting as well.
Can you tell me from your experience about the career in this field. like what type of jobs do these guys get after 3 years?

Another question I have (if you dont mind), what do you personally plan regarding CFA? like as you say that the experience of audit and advisory isnt relevant...
Advisory career, well at the moment there are very less jobs in advisory in the middle east. I cant say about after 3 years, maybe the situation will change but it wont be easy for you to go abroad if you stay in advisory for the whole of your articles. Very less secondments in advisory and hardly any scope for jobs abroad.. but who knows whats gonna happen after 3 years.. Chances are that you will have to move to audit if you want to move abroad.

Secondly advisory is mostly confined to Banks.. So after your articles it will be difficult to go for a job in a non Financial Services sector entity. You might still get a job in Non FS, but you would be at a disadvantage as compared to other candidates who would have done Non FS clients during their articles.

Lastly, advisory work is mostly related to Internal Audit. So you'll be preferred for an Internal Audit job.

So basically, if you go for an interview in a Bank and in the Internal Audit department after your articles, you'll be at a great advantage as compared to your collegues who did their articles in audit since you would have already have relevant experience.
 

Ahmed Zamir

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So AFF has announced its induction policy for Autumn 2014. Can anyone guide me about what type of questions do they ask in their test and interview?

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As for the career change, thats a misconception that you can change fields. Its not easy.. im a one off and i had to take a few sacrifices to change my field (lower position and lower salary). So if you want to spend your articles in advisory, and then move into audit.. you cant expect to get the same salary and same position as those people who have spend their entire articles in audit. So even if you switch, you will go one level below your fellow collegues from audit. So its best to pick a service line where you want to make your career, and stick to it. Be it TAS, Advisory, Audit, Tax etc.
I see. Thanks for clearing up that misconception.
Do you by any chane have an idea about the job prospects of an ERP consultant in UAE? Im currently in a position to purse a career in an ERP service line and i hear there is a large supply of ERP consultants in the market. But if you look at the bigger picture there is saturation of every field in every job market i guess.
 

alamode

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I see. Thanks for clearing up that misconception.
Do you by any chane have an idea about the job prospects of an ERP consultant in UAE? Im currently in a position to purse a career in an ERP service line and i hear there is a large supply of ERP consultants in the market. But if you look at the bigger picture there is saturation of every field in every job market i guess.
You will need to be bilingual to be a consultant here. You must know arabic to get into consultancy. Hardly anyone in our consulting department is a desi or someone who doesn't speak arabic.
 

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Hello everyone.

I was wondering if any of you guys are sitting Module F in Dec-14. I had taken a long-term sabbatical from Mod F a number of years ago due to some personal circumstances and the demands of a full-time job after my articles. However I'm thinking of having another go at it in Dec and so needed some guidance in that respect.

- Self-study isn't one of my strengths so could you guys suggest the best teachers for BFD, MA, ADV. TAX and ITMAC
- The study texts were crappy back when I last sat Mod F and students used to refer a whole bunch of books. Is that still the case or have things changed? If its still, the same, could you please list down the essential books and other study and revision material for each subject.
- If I want to split the papers over two attempts, which ones would you guys suggest to take first?

Any guidance would be highly appreciated.
 

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Ok so I need some advice from all the CA, ACAs out there.

I'm currently doing my Bachelors in Finance, Accounting and Management which ends in 2 years. I want to get into TAS at EY or Deloitte in the Middle-East preferably Dubai or Riyad.

I just need some guidance on what I can do while doing my Bachelors to help get a job, studies are easy for me and university doesnt occupy much of my time really.

I was thinking I could do my ACCA side by side but that isn't related to TAS is it? or will it still be useful? I can not attempt CFA Level I either (Which I really wanna do), until I am in the last year of my degree. Now I am in my second year (last year is 3rd), could I possibly begin studying for CFA level 1 from now and give my exam when I am in my third year?

I am really considering this, but the problem I have is, all my important financial modules like Financial Management, Financial Reporting, Accounting Control systems etc are in my second year (THIS year that I am studying). Can I possibly study for my CFA without having done all of these modules?

I'd really appreciate the help, and please refrain from telling me to chill, I am not the sort of person who can sit around and do nothing, I need to occupy myself with something that adds value and ACCA/CFA seems like the best thing right now. And I totally understand neither of these are a piece of cake.
 

blade

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Ok so I need some advice from all the CA, ACAs out there.

I'm currently doing my Bachelors in Finance, Accounting and Management which ends in 2 years. I want to get into TAS at EY or Deloitte in the Middle-East preferably Dubai or Riyad.

I just need some guidance on what I can do while doing my Bachelors to help get a job, studies are easy for me and university doesnt occupy much of my time really.

I was thinking I could do my ACCA side by side but that isn't related to TAS is it? or will it still be useful? I can not attempt CFA Level I either (Which I really wanna do), until I am in the last year of my degree. Now I am in my second year (last year is 3rd), could I possibly begin studying for CFA level 1 from now and give my exam when I am in my third year?

I am really considering this, but the problem I have is, all my important financial modules like Financial Management, Financial Reporting, Accounting Control systems etc are in my second year (THIS year that I am studying). Can I possibly study for my CFA without having done all of these modules?

I'd really appreciate the help, and please refrain from telling me to chill, I am not the sort of person who can sit around and do nothing, I need to occupy myself with something that adds value and ACCA/CFA seems like the best thing right now. And I totally understand neither of these are a piece of cake.
HI Syavash,

If you need any CFA related advice, I am your guy :D

I think the faster you start studying for the CFA, the better it is. I always recommend new comers into the program who have no financial back ground to give the exam at least 6 months of preparations. It is not a piece of cake and the first level will decide whether you are capable of completing the journey.

Studying for ACCA along with CFA can be done but it will require you to dedicate a lot of your time studying and clear out your schedule for social activity. You can sit for the exam in Dec even if you do not have a Bachelors degree. CFA will not check your degree.

So in short, I will recommend you to seriously consider doing CFA and attempting the paper as soon as possible. As for the job market, everyone does ACCA these days and is not a sort after degree for employers. I am currently in London and I get calls from recruiters almost every other week.

Let me know if you have any further questions or PM me as this is a CA thread.
 
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