Azadi march lookout thread - PTI calls off dharna

[StrikerX]

Abhi konsa setup hai? Is sy pehly 5 saal konsa setup tha. Musharraf sy pehly 10 sal kon sa setup tha. Zia and ayub ke beech konsa setup tha?

You do realise that wasn't meant as 'literally'...

I'll explain in simpler words: Yay jamhuriat jo yahan rahi hai hamesha aik dhong tha, these BB's/Sharifs/Zardaris, sab dictator, elitist log hain. Is mulq nay kabhi asal jamhuriat dekhi hi nahi hai

 

[TheRaja]

You do realise that wasn't meant as 'literally'...

I don't. As i said earlier hamari social condition aysi hai ky looly langdy products hi aengy. Agar ap true democracy ki baat kar rahy hain to I HAVE A DREAM TODAY wali bat hai.

 

[StrikerX]

I don't. As i said earlier hamari social condition aysi hai ky looly langdy products hi aengy. Agar ap true democracy ki baat kar rahy hain to I HAVE A DREAM TODAY wali bat hai.

Everything is a dream and dreams come true if you struggle enough I haven't seen any effort at all from the so-called-democratic setups of the past and present to do something to fix the system (banda koshish hi ker laita hai). Ab yay change kyun nahi krtay? Because it suits them.

Spoiler: show

ahh... Yaad hai kisi ko "Karz utaro mulk sunwaro" scheme? ... Yardasht hamari buhat kamzor hai

//battery down ... -_-

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[Soulgain]

Factory ka nam aur pata to batain zara :mushy: . Beside they collect zakat and khals so far , and where i am working now in site area , here is only parchies that owners got is from black list organizations and agencies as to which here in site area there is special complain office established by police to take complain about the agency people who evolved in bhata . If its MQM then i don't think so that police take such step .

problem is all that we just waste our time in blaming political parties about corruption , and forget about bureaucracy , whom are the real enemies of this country , wide example Iftikhar Chaudhry , when musharraf say so then every one stand against musharraf and protect him , now his real face came to every one , irony .

The incident occurred back in 2008/9 and we've long sold that place. There were armed gunmen, and they claimed to be of MQM. It could be that they lied, but the fact stands that their name was used.

>Beside they collect zakat and khals so far
Maybe where you live. In my area they use threats to collect. Police does nothing, despite being so close to a police station. I don't know what you're on about, but MQM is evil, and to be honest you and SEvolution are the only two people who are saying good things about them among all those i've interacted with in my entire life.

 

[TheRaja]

Everything is a dream and dreams come true if you struggle enough I haven't seen any effort at all from the so-called-democratic setups of the past and present to do something to fix the system (banda koshish hi ker laita hai). Ab yay change kyun nahi krtay? Because it suits them.

Spoiler: show

ahh... Yaad hai kisi ko "Karz utaro mulk sunwaro" scheme? ... Yardasht hamari buhat kamzor hai

//battery down ... -_-

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I consider karz utaro mulk sunwaro a good scheme. Many allegations but nothing proved, i felt then also that the scheme helped pakistan.

 

[opethian]

ahh... Yaad hai kisi ko "Karz utaro mulk sunwaro" scheme? ... Yardasht hamari buhat kamzor hai

//battery down ... -_-

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switched to laptop
n yes that scheme was really an eye wash! he made his whole empire during those 2 years. Judiciary was free and had some character at that time, chief justice was not the best man but still alot better than cheap justice we have seen in last 14 years.
We do have a bad memory, we forget what a guy said 5 minutes ago so its our true social character as Raja bhai said!

 

[StrikerX]

WO tau Zardari/BB ka bhi prove ni hua I don't want to argue with you ciao

I consider karz utaro mulk sunwaro a good scheme. Many allegations but nothing proved, i felt then also that the scheme helped pakistan.

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[Pleasant]

Totally agree
He achieved nuclear Pakistan (he claims n I give that credit Koi baat nae) but ye mard-e-momin kiyun kuch karnay say Qasir hai?

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Btw just to correct you here nuclear program was started by Zia ul haq

Pakistan began focusing on nuclear weapons development in January 1972 under the leadership of Prime Minister Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, who delegated the program to the Chairman of PAEC Munir Ahmad Khan.

Pakistan and weapons of mass destruction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And Nawaz Shareef was opposing to do the nuclear test
[video=facebook;151239614896678]https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=151239614896678[/video]

i am surprised you didn't know this if you didn't know that you might not know about this thing as well

Which is motorway
read here

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Motorway:
Motorway is not a single project but a series of projects (M-1 to M-4) that were started & commissioned in different governments. Details are as follows:
M-2 (Lahore - Islamabad Section): It was started in late 1992 by Nawaz Sharif, however, just 7-8 months later his govt was dismissed on charges of corruption. The project was continued by Benazir govt and was almost complete by 1996 (when BB's govt was dismissed). In 1997, Nawaz Sharif commissioned the project. So basically 80% of M-2 was built during BB's tenure.
M-1 (Islamabad - Peshawar Section): It was started during General Musharraf's tenure and also commissioned in same period. (100% Musharraf credit. No credit to Nawaz)
M-3 (Pindi Bhattian - Faisalabad Section): The project started & commissioned during General Musharraf's tenure. (100% Musharraf credit. No credit to Nawaz)
M-4 Motorway (Faisalabad - Multan Section): Started during current Zardari tenure. Under progress. (100% Zardari credit. No credit to Nawaz).
So basically, out of the whole Motorway system, Mian Saheb can claim only 20% credit for just one section i.e. M-2 (that also with $140 million corruption, as pointed out in Raymond Baker's famous book on dirty money). He has no contribution to other sections.
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[sultanahmad]

Us Karachiites did our part. Please don't let us down.

Don't worry bro .we will IA fill Minar-e-Pakistan.log 2011 kay jalsay ko bhol jain gay!!!!!

 

[opethian]

[MENTION=4999]Pleasant[/MENTION] actually it was started by Bhutto!
khair i was just giving some shabash to PML-N

 

[NOneed2speedd]

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x26fjg6_khara-sach-with-mubashir-lucman-22nd-september-2014_news

Agqin rana mashood exposed

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[Pleasant]

[MENTION=4999]Pleasant[/MENTION] actually it was started by Bhutto!
khair i was just giving some shabash to PML-N

20% shabaash

 

[maxold90]

The incident occurred back in 2008/9 and we've long sold that place. There were armed gunmen, and they claimed to be of MQM. It could be that they lied, but the fact stands that their name was used.

>Beside they collect zakat and khals so far
Maybe where you live. In my area they use threats to collect. Police does nothing, despite being so close to a police station. I don't know what you're on about, but MQM is evil, and to be honest you and SEvolution are the only two people who are saying good things about them among all those i've interacted with in my entire life.

just one thing , zara ghar s nikao aur aik round lagao Karachi ka, i bet my ass, if you didn't robbed by police at front of whole public and no one came to save you, har jaga nakay azab kardia sadar say site aur site say ghar jana

bat MQM ki nai hay , there were good and bad people every where , but they still do good for most of people , as for you i will list my encounter with them .

-In my college (premier college) once at form submission day , i took my friend with me , hes kind a rough guy , so when i was busy in submitting my form , ther some MQM guyz came to him and ask him to close his shirt upper button (as i said hes kind a rough) , so he said "chal oye" in return one of them show him the pistol , and he ran away without telling me the fact , when i talked to them so they said that "college main insano ki tarhan aya karo warn mat ana"

-back then one of my friend asked me to give paper on his place (bec hes so weak in studies and he have to pass that i.com part 2 paper at all cost) , so i did this , but unfortunately examiner caught me , but there some MQM guyz were there whom make an adjustments and said "nashta kardo bhaion ko to kam hojye ga" well after serving them some refreshment they allow me to continue the exam .

-in university life , it was hell of a fun with them , as they arrange different events for students , there is whole lobby of them in MBA (Karachi University Business School) , there is paigham e aman tournament along with different sports event which they give full support to students , and one of my junior got his career in hokey right now as with different clubs and despite of his ethnicity they support him (as hes from punjab) , and any one from Karachi university here can easily confirm you that sports dean of Karachi university madom Anjum , is close relative of altaf hussain , you may saw her in different MQM events.

-last encounter of mine is them at my graduation time , as examination department put absent in 4 of my papers , when i go to them they said k "beta wo copian to hum log jala daitay hain ab record main absent arai hay batao kia karain" , as now i don't have any proof except my attendance sheet which they denied and said that still they don't have copies, so you have to repeat it , after taking round and round around the university different student fac (dean office etc) i contact APMSO chair-person abdul wahab , he said ok fine and at very spot he make call to chair-person of my department and at very next day hes like "beta ap ko call karwany ki kia zarurat thi ap waisay hi ajtay" (even i request him many times before but he ignore me like i am some beggar ) any how , after that chairman of my department calls examination department and i got my performa , and get my degree at graduation day .

so that's what my encounter with them so far , and yes some of them involve in mobile snatching as well , as i remember the snooker 147 incident (as any one from block 10 or 7 may know about that snooker club, which is one of the most decent snooker club of its time in that area) as i used to go there with my school buddies, so some people mobiles got snatched at there and when they went to 90, they give them there mobiles back along with apology and kick for those who snatched them (but its not my personal encounter its just some one told me there).

well so that's the case so far , but my friend don't judge the world by how people show it to you , go out and experience it by your self then make final judgment , and good and bad people are every where but don't judge the whole picture by just odd spot of paint .

 

[StrikerX]

The incident occurred back in 2008/9 and we've long sold that place. There were armed gunmen, and they claimed to be of MQM. It could be that they lied, but the fact stands that their name was used.

>Beside they collect zakat and khals so far
Maybe where you live. In my area they use threats to collect. Police does nothing, despite being so close to a police station. I don't know what you're on about, but MQM is evil, and to be honest you and SEvolution are the only two people who are saying good things about them among all those i've interacted with in my entire life.

MQM is not the sole problem of KHI, jiska dao lagta hai wo karta hai, PPP/ANP/JI yay saray. Anyways, they aren't without fault either.

But improving things in KHI will be a long and hard process, just like the rest of the country.

//time-to-sleep

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[outlaw]

-In my college (premier college) once at form submission day , i took my friend with me , hes kind a rough guy , so when i was busy in submitting my form , ther some MQM guyz came to him and ask him to close his shirt upper button (as i said hes kind a rough) , so he said "chal oye" in return one of them show him the pistol , and he ran away without telling me the fact , when i talked to them so they said that "college main insano ki tarhan aya karo warn mat ana"

-back then one of my friend asked me to give paper on his place (bec hes so weak in studies and he have to pass that i.com part 2 paper at all cost) , so i did this , but unfortunately examiner caught me , but there some MQM guyz were there whom make an adjustments and said "nashta kardo bhaion ko to kam hojye ga" well after serving them some refreshment they allow me to continue the exam .

Wow! Aren't they so good and helping? They are really serving this nation. They are making this country prosper and reach new heights! Unfortunately you don't even have the mind to judge if they did wrong in these two situations here or right and you pointed out those things which are indeed wrong except for posting right things. Giving someones paper, thats not a crime in ur book? You are a culprit. So what the guy said Chal Oye? Who gave them the authority to pull out a gun? Badmashi lagai hui hai kia. I seriously am thinking if ur post was some kind of sarcasm or what.

P.S: I'm not against MQM, there are good and bad people everywhere though! The guy showed the bad side

 

[maxold90]

Wow! Aren't they so good and helping? They are really serving this nation. They are making this country prosper and reach new heights! Unfortunately you don't even have the mind to judge if they did wrong here or right. Giving someones paper, thats not a crime in ur book? You are a culprit.
P.S: I'm not against MQM, there are good and bad people everywhere though!

there is also a thing called "honesty" as i said "learn by your self" , it was my past and i learned and make my self , what ever i am right now . That's why i honestly tell my crime at front of all , that's the spirit, if you have some balls then stop lying and start accepting your own crimes , correct your self first then point finger at some one .

and as i said , i am not defending them , i simply told the encounter i got with them , and i hate when people here don't think out of box , now according to this encounter judge them as what ever you want right or wrong , bec to me this an OPEN discussion , so i share my encounter and my point , which is in no one favor and against no one .

and i got no affiliation as i still don't get a true leader here for me , the only true leader to me is PBUH as hes the only one with the title of sadiq and ameen , in my personal life i am trying to follow his step and we all should start following them , as if we did this, society will transform by itself , just deliver the message of peace and humanity to your children and to those who forget about it , simple solution , changing system is a joke , making new provinces is a joke, as where our souls corrupted by evil it self .

 

[genious]

Azaadi and inqlaab marches finished unofficially because no recycled speeches and abusing on tv from past 2 days.

 

[opethian]

Azaadi and inqlaab marches finished unofficially because no recycled speeches and abusing on tv from past 2 days.

Chalo acha hai Ab Neutrals can do real constructive works for greater good for the nation

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[genious]

Chalo acha hai Ab Neutrals can do real constructive works for greater good for the nation

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After all this drama nothing is achieved by IK and qadri but they sure put us in worlds eye as a weak nation who cant even defend its PM house and PTV from these so called inqlaabis and azaadians.

Overall PAKISTAN got weak by these 2 childs.

 

[opethian]

After all this drama nothing is achieved by IK and qadri but they sure put us in worlds eye as a weak nation who cant even defend its PM house and PTV from these so called inqlaabis and azaadians.

Overall PAKISTAN got weak by these 2 childs.

so PM of a nuclear state couldn't control a domestic issue!
Its father in a house cant address ridiculous demand of his kids, he dont even have that much moral strength to even punish his kids for stupid demands, he is helpless aur khud apnay ghar ka tamasha banata hai ya bananay daita hai tou kia is main uskay ghar kay bachoon ka kasoor hai sirf?
If these 2 clowns had stupid demands why Nawaz Sharif failed to do damage control? With 8th largest army and 40,000 police men how failed to protect PTV from 3000 clowns, how this man can defend 180 million people from an enemy of almost 1.5 billion population n 3rd largest army in the world?
If he cant control, snub, punish just 3000 un-armed mad inqilabians n azadians then how will he protect us from 5,000 armed and well trained Talibans!

I work in an office, i have a large number of people working under me, if i cant identify their issues before hand or cant solve them even when those issues are pointed out to me and my under command people revolt against me, lets say just 2 or 3 idiots do that and i have all laws to either solve their issues and if those issues r not genuine then punish them accordingly as per laws then i have no right to mourn or hide. I should man up, address those issues and if i cant then step aside n leave my post.

Its basic common sense
o yes goons dont want to solve problems, they want to make an issue from that!
Kitna shoor machaye ga IK n Qadri? kabhi na kabhi tou thakain gay he na!

and btw, Pakistan is not a nazuk haseena keh iski izzat 2 bachoon ki waja say khak main mil jaye, na he it is such a weak country. Yes Nawaz Sharif is a weak administrator, he lacks character and jurrat! Agar wo paak saaf hota, genuine mandate hota uskay pass tou abhe tak in 2 bandon ki lashain latak rahe hoti jinnah park main! So Nawaz Sharif ki kamzori ko mulk ki kamzori mat banao! A bad man brings bad name to an organization, koi b idara Abuses will lead to bana nahe hota, koi b building Abuses will lead to bani nahe hoti, us main baithay howay log usay Abuses will lead to bana kartay hain!