Are we defending Islam?

[Thugnificent]

May Allah SWT give hidayah to everyone. It's really sad to see people dissing Islam and even people in Pakistan are joining the bandwagon of "islam is violent" <_<

But truth be told, the more they try to insult islam, the faster it spreads.

 

[mafiadog]

[MENTION=12458]Benighted[/MENTION], as much as I have been lenient in everything, it's time for me to openly warn you this time. Present your arguments WITHOUT contradicting or hurting the belief of Muslims. I don't care what religion you follow. I don't care if you believe that there is a God or not. I don't care if you even believe in the Prophet. Muslims believe that God is the All-knowing and all-seeing. The basic Muslim teachings and followings are NOT up for debate in this thread. The Prophets character, the contents of the Quran in general are NOT up for discussions or nitpicking in this thread.

"You take it as a given that Quran comes from an all-knowing God.". Yes. We Muslims do. This is not up for debate here and I will not allow that. Discuss the topic at hand, not the contents of the Quran. This goes for everyone. This is the final time I'm warning everyone here.

Exactly what this thread needed. I'll take a leave now from this discussion.

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[Gizmo]

@Benighted, as much as I have been lenient in everything, it's time for me to openly warn you this time. Present your arguments WITHOUT contradicting or hurting the belief of Muslims. I don't care what religion you follow. I don't care if you believe that there is a God or not. I don't care if you even believe in the Prophet. Muslims believe that God is the All-knowing and all-seeing. The basic Muslim teachings and followings are NOT up for debate in this thread. The Prophets character, the contents of the Quran in general are NOT up for discussions or nitpicking in this thread.

"You take it as a given that Quran comes from an all-knowing God.". Yes. We Muslims do. This is not up for debate here and I will not allow that. Discuss the topic at hand, not the contents of the Quran. This goes for everyone. This is the final time I'm warning everyone here.

Might as well close the thread then. If nothing is up for debate then why even bother?

 

[mafiadog]

Might as well close the thread then. If nothing is up for debate then why even bother?

Just came back to add here. The thread is about condemning terrorism. Why a need to debate about any of the stated above ?

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[AbbY]

Might as well close the thread then. If nothing is up for debate then why even bother?

The thread is about what we're doing to defend the name of Islam in terms of terrorism.

How does THAT discussion become something like Quran is flawed, if God is All-Knowing blablabla?
Are you really saying that the discussion in the last page is not different from the OP?

 

[Gizmo]

^^It's all related, you can't really talk about why Muslims are treated the way they are, why they behave the way they are, without talking about their beliefs and Islam. That's what the thread has been about from the start, No?

 

[nafu]

Well, i really shocked yesterday when i read past several pages with tons of argument on relating Quran and islam and terrorism. We should stop Blaming Quran or saying it flawed or else, Please.

God Help us.

 

[GloriousChicken]

So, discussion over? o.o

 

[Mephisto]

As OP of the thread I can help clear the confusion here.

Firstly, I haven't read any discussion since my reply a day or two ago as I was tied up but it clearly looks like that the discussion was derailed. I will read through them later in the day.


So, let me establish some ground here.


This thread has established the following from day one and any discussion away from it is off topic.

1 - Islam condemns killing of innocent people.
2 - Islam denounces terrorism in all shape and form.
3 - Daesh and other terrorist organizations are not following the true teaching of Islam. (If you believe they are then this is not the topic to discuss it as it leads to scholastic level of discussion not meant for this forum).
4 - Our topic should only be, how we as Muslims can prevent and speak against terrorism instead of blaming the west for being biased.


If you believe that Islam in its core promotes terrorism then this is not the topic to discuss it. You may send me a PM and I'll guide you to scholars/websites who will be more than happy to answer all your queries without threatening your life or judging you. I totally understand that with so much negative media, it can also confuse Muslims about their own faith.

I may sound like a total idiot to you by saying Islam condemns terrorism if you believe it doesn't. I would love to speak on this topic but we have to remember that this is a gaming forum with a wide audience of all age group. This forum has it's own ground rules and as members we have to follow these rules.

 

[Benighted]

A lot can be learned by a group's attitude toward criticism. Fear of criticism is always found in those whose survival depends exactly upon its absence.

Some belief systems/ideologies can only persist by censoring of criticism. From recent history, Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia are good examples.

You can take what you will from that.

 

[timekiller]

I have been following this discussion without saying anything. What i have notice here is none wants to listen the other person. That is the sole problem here. As for the topic of thread. I do not think we need to defend Islam. All we need to do is learn it.

 

[GloriousChicken]

I have been following this discussion without saying anything. What i have notice here is none wants to listen the other person. That is the sole problem here. As for the topic of thread. I do not think we need to defend Islam. All we need to do is learn it.

The topic is more like
Defending islam from the likes of ISIS.

 

[Distress]

‘ISIS is enemy No. 1 of Islam,’ says Saudi grand mufti

Above statement came from grand mufti of KSA, country which is considered to be the biggest financier and supporter of terrorism in several other countries. For example Iran, syria, Iraq,Lebonan and many sects in Pak always point finger towards KSA for spreading sectarian violence and religious intolerance inside their countries. KSA is also blamed for creation of ISIS, Alqaeda and similar organizations.

Someone here said that no muslim cleric/ scholar raise his voice against ISIS ideology. I have quoted the statement of grand mufti of saudia (who follow the most extreme sect of Islam which is called wahabism these days by other sects). If he is against ISIS ideology then how can anyone claim that muslim clerics support terrorism and have a soft corner for ISIS?

 

[AbbY]

A lot can be learned by a group's attitude toward criticism. Fear of criticism is always found in those whose survival depends exactly upon its absence.

Some belief systems/ideologies can only persist by censoring of criticism. From recent history, Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia are good examples.

You can take what you will from that.

It is what it is. We've already allowed people to speak A LOT more than recent times. If this 'censorship' of sorts bothers people, I suggest they stay out.

 

[criticalerror]

It is what it is. We've already allowed people to speak A LOT more than recent times. If this 'censorship' of sorts bothers people, I suggest they stay out.

It would be much better to set rules for religious threads if they are allowed. And for those rules to be posted at the beginning.

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[FUEL2009]

A thread about defending Islam on a gaming website who's icon is a young 'devil' being discussed by gamers who play games like Devil May Cry, Dragon's Age, Witcher etc.

Makes you wonder, 'Is This For Real'??

 

[XxRebellionxX]

Hey no backing out now lemme expand the world lines as much as i can :s

Okay i admit i never knew there were muslim taliban supporters which leads to the thought that

"If educated muslims, who have never been to a mardassah can give these militants their vote of confidence, isn't it reasonable to suppose that the actual terrorists are Muslims as well of a similar mentality but greater aggression?"

while this may sound somewhat believable and an agreeable statement but in real, things are quite different between educated Muslims giving vote of confidence and the so called Muslim terrorists, by such a great length that you can't call that an "increase in aggression of that mentality". Those Muslims might give their vote of confidence but believe me they aren't the type to kill people for no reason. Giving a vote of confidence to an act and performing an act are different. Performing that act requires an entirely different thing to be present in you. Believe me when i say i think what Qadri did "wasn't wrong". But it wasn't right either when u see it in the light of today's laws etc. This matter is complicated i admit. Neverthless i don't think of that as a wrong act. This doesn't mean i'll kill anyone who insults the Holy Prophet S.A.W.W because i know i don't have what it takes to do that.

This and plus all those other news i randomly hear about America or any other country funding these organizations leads me to believe that Islam is being targeted by non-muslims disguising themselves as Muslims. Why is it possible and so easy to do so? That is because generally people and especially non-muslims have the idea that saying Allahu Akbar, having Darhi and wearing shalwar above ankles means being a Muslim while these things don't have anything to do with being a Muslim. People don't have this thought regarding other religions.

I respect your opinions, but killing in the name of religion isn't really the answer. We should condemn this evil act, yet here we are looking the other way. Its not the answer mate.

Let me pitch in with something else, just the other day I read a chain message shared by some friends and cousins which deeply saddened me. These 'educated' muslims condemning a certain sect about their teachings and so. Apparently, it was all a fabrication and there was nothing of the sort after I did my research. But I'm pretty sure it was enough to ignite idiots to commit hate crime, because that was what a good muslim was supposed to do. Really?

 

[XxRebellionxX]

Did i say Arabs were learned before Islam? No i didn't. What i did say was the Quran came to guide these very people from that said ignorance.Post-Islamic boom of education is a topic you can research yourself. Muslims were proponents of science when Europe was in the dark ages(clichéd but true).
Unfortunately we have stumbled into the same dark ages due to being distanced from our religion, which enjoins education and critical thinking.

You summarize those 100 issues into one sentence because all those issues have a proper reason in Islam and you don't have a rebuttal for it. E.g Homosexuality is NOT ok, not even in the anatomical sense. It is banned in every major religion, not just islam. The rest of the books were corrupted later on when man saw fit. The Quran, whose defense from corruption Allah himself has assumed, is still available in it's original form for all to see.
As for x,y and z not being your friends, i dont know what you are referring to. If it is the verse of the Quran you are referring to then that has sound basis. You may do your research on it. I am not defending any Mullah or scholar and neither am i responsible for the said Mullahs cry to kill people. Islam has nothing to do with people using it for their own gain and ignorant people following them.

My analogy flew by you because you grabbed the wrong idea from it.. The analogy was to show you how you can't learn a higher concept without having basic knowledge about the concept. Similar is the case with the Quran. This is besides the fact that the majority of the Quran is plain and simple. You just like to pick a few verses which reuqire context so that you may hide behind those and ignore the simpler aspects of the Quran. Also, the Quran didn't come out of the blue. It was revealed in 23 years which i would hardly refer to as "coming out of the blue". Had you the basic concepts of Islam you would not have made such a statement. Hence my argument for you to learn basics before taking on more challenging concepts.

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."

-ARISTOTLE


You are not even ready to entertain the concept that Islam is a peaceful religion so what is the use of arguing?

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So its okay to kill and condemn homosexual people? Why? Doesn’t Islam teach you to love every human being. Its okay to pick on and condemn them?


Since God is omnipotent, he should have realized at some point that homosexual people would pop up. So he voluntarily will condemn them even if he claims to have a heart as big as 70 mothers.

 

[Arkonov]

I don't defend Islam mostly because it states that I should be publicly executed for my sexuality. That shit dumb.

 

[Leon]

You guys better ask this question to all the countries that have banned homosexuality. Only Islam doesn't criminalize it. It's lame when something is only used against Islam when it happens in bunch of other major countries and religions.

Besides this is getting out of hand. If we Muslims dont tolerate or respect other people according to them. No one is showing respect for our religious feelings here aswell.

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