Trying to understand the typical indset of a casual computer user.

iameXtreme

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So here i am at 4:30 in the morning sleepless and confused. Recently ive come across a statement from many computer users (mostly casual) and shop keepers that has simply amazed me. I got into the world of computers for the first time in 1996, i still remember seeing my first computer which was a surprise birthday present to me from my family. The moment i laid my eyes on it i was mesmerized, I had not come across anything more amazing than that piece of machine ever in my life (at that time of course). And since began my journey into the world of computers, from calling the local computer guy to format the hard drive every time it showed me errors, to calling my friends over to help me install Windows 95 when it was launched. I was completely clueless when it came to technicalities. I remember going to a local computer shop from whom i used to purchase all my computer hardware from, laying down a 100,000 rupees on his table and simply telling him to build me "the most top of the line pc" he can. At that time he built me a pc with cheap chinese casing, Intel Q6600, Intel Board, Corsair XMS Ram and a XFX 9800GTX Black Edition Graphic Card (those are the specs that i remember). I had no clue what overclocking was, I didnt even know if there was any company other than Intel who made motherboards, or that the processor that i got in my pc, was "top of the line" or not. I was what you can say, a typical kid who just had money to spend on a pc but didnt really know what to get.

Now whats really confusing me is not related to my story that i shared above. I just wanted to let you guys in on how i used to be a complete noob at one time (but then again we all were noobs at some point in our life). What i am interested in knowing is related to computer casings.
Since i got into this business, i have seen almost all kinds of computer users, casual and hardcore gamers, but one main thing that ive seen that differentiates the both is i guess lack of common sense.

Recently i came across a guy who came to my office to buy a casing. Now he was interested buying the cheapest casing that i had so i showed him Bitfenix Merc Alpha. As soon as he got close to the casing and touched it....the first thing he did was lift the casing up. He realized that he could lift the casing up quite easily so he came back and sat down on the chair, and simply said..."Ye to kaafee halki hai koi bhaari casing dekhaain". Instantly i was like uh oh...here comes another one, so the first thing i asked him was.....do you plan to kill someone or hit someone really hard? Obviously he got really confused since he wasnt expecting that reply, n he said ummm i dont understand...So i elaborated. I asked him the reason he wanted to buy a HEAVY casing and his reply was, it shows how solid material is used in the construction of the case. So once again my question to him was if he wanted to kill someone or hurt someone?. Im pretty sure by this time he wouldve started feeling that he didnt come to the right place, but the reason behind my question was that why is your FIRST priority when buying a casing is weight? I know weight is important, you wouldnt want to pay your hard earned cash to buy one only to realize that when its shipped to you, the case got bent at some point during transit. But when you look at cheap casings like Bitfenix Merc Alpha, you dont compare it to a cheap chinese un branded casing which you can expect to bend under a small amount of pressure even, so obviously the build quality is not gonna be like one either. What i think is that the first thing a person who is in the market to buy a casing should look for is FEATURES, not its weight. He should look whether the components he plans to install in the casing would fit or not, whether the cooling options in the case would give keep the components cool or not, whether there are any cable management holes in the casing or not so he can make his build more tidier and have once again a better airflow. If the person finds that all the features that he looks for in a case are available, then he should turn his attention to the build quality, because from the way i see it, once you install your hardware into the case and switch your pc on, you're not gonna be interacting with the casing at all. All you're gonna be doing is either pressing the reset button and attaching or detaching various cables at the back. You are not going to be picking up your casing everytime you switch the pc on and move it around. Hell even if you do want to move around with the casing, wouldnt you want a lightweight casing that you can easily pick up and transport wherever you want? Who would like to pick up a 20kg casing and then take it from point A to B? Atleast i know i wont. Especially when i know that the casing that i have is rich in features and has good cooling capabilities.

I really do not intend to offend anyone here, but i really do not understand why people follow a typical mindset here? We live in a world where knowledge is extremely accessible. You can find information about anything in the world on google, all you have to do is type and press enter. But still people opt to remain ignorant and follow the mindset that a few people with no common sense has created. My only request to computer users is, please, do use your mind that ALLAH has blessed you with. It is with you so you can use it to make a better decision for yourself, not so that you shut it off, and follow a bunch of people who themselves never used their brains and guide you on what things to look for when buying products.

I would like to apologize in advance if i offended someone. But i had to speak my mind and i want support from people who do possess technical knowledge to help those who dont, and guide them in the right direction. My main goal is to change this typical thinking that your local shop keepers have and which they pass on to you. Thanks for taking the time to read it and dont hesitate to let me know if you disagree on anything that i said, or even if you agree. Thanks:)
 

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My first post in HW Zone after a long time. Interesting read and I completely agree with you. The typical computer user gets his knowledge of hardware from all the computer shops we have. Thats everyone's main source of knowledge. And this is where the problem begins.

Firsty the people that sell computers (mostly) are not from a gaming background or even remotely interested in PCs, and IF they are, they do not have the resources/time/passion to have the latest hardware, read about the latest tech and news and be upto date with the technology world. Nor do they have a desire to educate people (in the rare scene where they do know about hardware) as it would harm their business. After all how do you exploit a customer if he knows more than you do?

And its not just computers, this lack of education or should I say lack of THIRST for acquiring education and improving yourself is in our society everywhere. Hopefully the growth in the IT industry in recent years and the contribution of platforms such as PG and honest sellers (such as yourself :p) should change things.

By the way, you didn't mention how the conversation with that guy ended? :D

P.S Reply to my emails :p
 

sumair007

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You are right mate, i've encountered such noobs as well. Such as:

My first PC was an Intel Celeron, after using it for like 2-3 years I went to sell it and the replies I got were, "Bhai ye to genuine nai hai, Celeron to farigh hai, Sir ye to China ka Intel hai etc etc"

Other mindset here is that AMD is a 2 number company. Although m an Intel fanboy, but still I dont call AMD a 2 number company, LOL.
 

Blastwave

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Remember that "popular things you hate" thread?

This hardware awareness or complete absence of it actually was one the most discussed topic.


Its been difficult for the older generation here to put a good pc together. Back in the late 90s and early 2000's we didn't have that many shops and the market people absolutely reigned over the users with utmost stupidity.

Here are some examples, from the top of my head.



Buying, repairing, selling, looking for hardware in Karachi



"Sir kia baat ker rahay hain. Harddrive main 40 gb say uper ka partition banaya to kharab ho jati hay" ~


"Nahe aap ko kisi nay ghalat bataya hay, INTEL ka dealer sirf main hoon pooray Pakistan main" ~ [This was a very shiny shop at Bahadurabad.]


"haan haan ye game aap kay system pay chal jaye ga, likha hay cd pay requirements P4 2 ghz and 512 ram only!" ~ [The game was Half Life 2]


"Oh bhai kia baat kerdi aap nay,, AMD kabhi mat laina. garam ho kar blast ho jata hay processor, Iman say! logo ko pata nahe hay. melt ho jata processor, sirf Yourup kay logo kay liye bana hay Amd" ~


"hain? AMD laina hay? kyoon? Intel kay paisay nahe hain?" ~


"500 GB haddrive?kyoon kia kerna hay itni space ka?" ~ and these asshats would give you that shit eating grin asking you the same dam question over and over again.


"WinFast Leadtek? nahe sir, Inno3D makes the best cards, bari company hay" ~


"MSI ka board? kis color main chaye?" ~


A game cd was not working so I took it back to the shop " Nahe sir cd sahi hay aap kay system main masla hay" ~ <-- and they would just keep repeating this same dam line over and over again.


"Itni bari casing? server machine hay?" ~ When I bought my CM690


Back in the day when I was an utter noob my p4 stopped working all together. System wouldn't even boot. So I take it to a shop, the guy takes out the hard drive and shakes it trying to listen to it " Sir ye drive kharab hay" ~ and offers me to buy a new one from him shop. and it later turned out the problem with the psu.


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Will post more later.
 

StrikerX

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'Bhari' casing is good, you should know better.

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Yasir bhai told me a some time back about a guy who called him, asked for details e.t.c about the XSPC Rasa watercooling kit & when he answered all the caller's questions he said "Mujhe tau yay medical equipment kay liye chaiye, kya yay kaam karay gi aur price bhi kaafi zayada hai iski"

so... yeah -_-
 

Ali Man

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My first PC that my dad passed along to me was a Pentium 2. Its speed was 333Mhz. This is of course many years back. Just the fact that I had my own PC was already a big enough thing for me at that time and I didn't care about anything else. Then of course I started messing with it and started learning too. Shortly my dad upgraded it to a Pentium 3 550Mhz processor (and at that moment in time I thought I was in heaven). Windows 98 was the OS it was running on and man did it run fast. Used to of course use dial-up internet in those times. The largest file that I had downloaded on dial-up on that PC was around 105MB (November Rain by Guns n Roses). Simply felt proud for accomplishing such a minor thing now that I look back.
In 2005, my dad then bought me my own first official PC. The spec's comprised of a Pentium 4 3.2Ghz processor, D915GAV motherboard, 6600GT, 1GB DDR ram and of course chinese casing and PSU. I used that PC all the way till 2011 and then I had it in me to upgrade small stuff and started learning all along the way.

I had this interest in computers that I wanted to know everything about it and there never came a time when I thought that I knew enough (except till the middle of last year). I finally understood the main components, how they worked with each other and at the same time started contributing whatever I could to PG's help desk and especially when I was sure that I could actually help and not (hopefully) give false answers.

The younger generation of Pakistan does have talent and they are many of these young people out there who're willing to learn but just can't either due to the lack of resources or just no appropriate teacher. No matter what we do, it may never be enough but it at least makes a difference (PG makes a difference). Knowledge is free and its out there, all people have got to do is attain it, understand it the proper way (which is usually the hardest part).
 

ovaisaijaz

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Btw still there are many enthusiasts here at PG as well....aagay to aap samajh hi gaye hongay :p

---------- Post added at 01:37 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:36 PM ----------

kindly update the complete story Yasir bhai :)
 

Baghi

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My first PC was an Intel Pentium III 750MHz (Overclocked to 1GHz), ASUS M756T+ (Slot 1/Socket 370), KVR 128 MB, Seagate 20 GB, in the early 2k's.

Shopkeeper sold me a 750MHz processor but charged me for 1GHz.

I was running an overclocked CPU on stock cooler (a too small one), after sometime it gave me restart loop and istablity issues, instead of guing back to him I did my own experiements and underclocked it to 500MHz and it worked fine.

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Actually this problem is not only with pakistani shopkeepers, it's all over the world.
My mamu lives in New York City, I asked him to get me a CVF + PH II 965BE, he went to a shop while coming back from office it was located in downtown (or something like that), he asked the shopkeeper I want to ship these things to Pakistan ASAP. Shopkeeper said this is gaming stuff and AMD CPUs gets worm in Asian coutnries don't buy this setup, my mamu said please guide me which configuration should I get? (That is the biggest mistake which a normal person makes) He said, I'm suggesting you the best gaming system, the specs were "i5-2310 + DZ68DB + ASUS GTX 460 1GB". :lol:
Lately mamu e-mailed my big brother saying that should he get that? My brother didn't liked it that I bothered my mamu for this little thing, and said "no mamu, he (me) already has one, don't worry.." :(

Now, look at this idiot, he works at TigerDirect Canada and he don't even know what are the default clocks of a CPU.
 
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LiV3 WiR3

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I dont wanna be rude or anything but "most" of you guys dont know how to deal with these kinda' people whether they are So called hardware Gurus or filthy rich shopkeepers who think they know it all when it comes to hardware...

I have heard this "AMD GARAM HONAY WALI" bullshit more than anyone else on this forum when i was searching for a mobo for my Phenom II x 550...
I also used to get myself into a lot of arguments over petty issues but then i found a very good way to avoid it all.....

A very Simple way to deal with this situation (Yet very effective) is that "BHAI,Ap Sahi main Ghalat"... Those guys wont give up and will insist that they know it all by saying "I've been in this business for 20 bla bla Years and you are challenging ME?"...
Yes,They've been in this business for that much time BUT they chose this profession just for making blind cash not as their passion!..

You don't have to prove anything that you are right and the bastard infront of you is wrong... You know you are right..That is enough...:)
 
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Cerberus

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LOL, when i bought Casecom 9288. The shopkeeper who helped me buying it from Karachi Said on its arrival..Yaar ye itne paise laga kr tum ne li hai weight bhi kam hai...mere pas 15 1500 ki pari hain un ka weight in se zyada hai Power supply bhi sath ati hai :D
 

Baghi

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I dont wanna be rude or anything but "most" of you guys dont know how to deal with these kinda' people whether they are So called hardware Gurus or filthy rich shopkeepers who think they know it all when it comes to hardware...

I have heard this "AMD GARAM HONAY WALI" bullshit more than anyone else on this forum when i was searching for a mobo for my Phenom II x 550...
I also used to get myself into a lot of arguments over petty issues but then i found a very good way to avoid it all.....

A very Simple way to deal with this situation (Yet very effective) is that "BHAI,Ap Sahi main Ghalat"... Those guys wont give up and will insist that they know it all by saying "I've been in this business for 20 bla bla Years and you are challenging ME?"...
Yes,They've been in this business for that much time BUT they chose this profession just for making blind cash not as their passion!..

You don't have to prove anything that you are right and the bastard infront of you is wrong... You know you are right..That is enough...:)
haha, you know I went to a shop to buy a basic system for daily usage, I asked him I want a dual-core Athlon, his coworker said, don't buy it it gets hot if you don't have AC in your room, other said "KOI MASLA NAHIN COOLER MASTER KI POWER SUPPLY LAGA LEINGE". (lmao)

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Another n00b, his shop's name is Computer Expert! I went there his shop was located in Johar, [MENTION=39471]Blastwave[/MENTION] might know, I asked the shopkeeper that I want a DDR3 motherboard for 775 socket, he said "kis k liye chahiye?" I was like WTF :eek:, I said Core2Duo k liye, he said "Core 2 Duo k liye DDR3 board nahin ata" :lol:
 
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As those shopkeepers I dealt with many of them and Blastwave summed up their reply pretty effectively. My elder brother used to be a huge fan of Pc's back in 2002 we had a Pentium 2 I upgraded my setup in 2005 to a Pentium 4 and bought a Pentium D also. These shopkeepers are completely ignorant and stupid they don't even remotely have any knowledge about computer hardware all they do know is how to make money. I recently went to a shop with my cousin to get a ethernet cable and at the same time my cousin asked him about a motherboard replacement for Core 2 Duo, my cousin said "Do you have a Asus P5KPL-AM"? He said in reply"Bhai Asus ab nai ata company band hogai hai wo kaharb products sell karte the Intel lo mere pass para hai sab se best board is par Core i7 bhi chalta hai and he showed us a old Intel 975 something board. He also said Asus mat lena ajib cheezein dalte dete hain board mein zada phases install karke board zada bijli istemaal karta hai I was like dud are you out of your mind
This is the case with shop keepers and apparently he was acknowledged as a guru in the neighbourhood seriously these people make stupid claims I for one never trusted these shopkeepers after joining PG I learned much more things and most of my time was spent in the Hardware Zone although I didn't post much, its here I learned all the knowledge about computer hardware
And yeah as Live Wire said they make anything to prove you wrong lol
People in Pakistan aren't passionate about computers you will rarely find anyone all they are interested in is getting a iphone and telling everyone they own a high end p.c when they don't know anything about it
My friend just got himself built a Intel Core 2 Quad with XFX 9800GTX and 4GB Ram at the price of 50k and he showed of it to me I said dud I got a P.c million times better than your old crap and I got it for much cheaper this shows the ignorance and stupidity of people here
 

LiV3 WiR3

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I remember yasir bhai himself wrote somewhere that he received a call from a guy inquiring about Antec Case that "Is casing say meray PC may current toh nahin aa jaye Ga?"...:|
 

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Research before buying, sadly most of the people don't do that. Its not only limited to PC's, its with other things as well.
Its as if people want to be illiterate and are content with that. Ignorance is bliss :/

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hotgamerft

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Talking about shopkeepers, i remember my recent trip to Islamabad. While i was in the blue area where most of the shops are looking for Core i5 2500k & an H61 mobo (due to lack of budget)
I was actually looking for P8H61 MLE mobo but it was nowhere to be found, i kept looking for it in different shops. One of the shopkeepers told me to get DH67CL and the reason he gave me was that with P8H61 MLE i won't be able to upgrade to an i7 as it doesn't support it and DH67CL supports sandy bridge i7 processors, i was like WTF!!! If you don't know something atleast don't misguide people :S
I left the shop without buying anything from there :yay:
 
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The funniest noobspeak I've heard is pronouncing email addresses like price lists. user at the rate of example.com :D TV anchors do it ALL THE TIME!!!

The problem is that Pakistanis don't read. I learn everything online and get it straight from the horse's mouth. Pakistanis prefer to listen to their friends and co-workers who feed them bull.
 
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