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[OT] .::The Official 3G/4G LTE Thread::.
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Not only PPP, I am Proud of KPK and Balochistan Gormint as well
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Try unsubscribing B** and activate 4G. Than re subscribe B** and enjoy. There seems no other wayGot the 3G sim like a week ago.
No change. My luck is absurdly negative (gets EED in appearing subjects, capped 2mbps speeds etc)[emoji24]
All other Jazz numbers in house don't have this issue. I mean they aren't capped to 2mbps.
These speeds are similar to 'Ufone, tum hi to ho!'
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No, just normal prepaid number [emoji41]
Converted to postpaid later.
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0300 and 03000 numbers are available for 400 to 600 at most places in Karachi. I my self have recently bought 0300-92 number for Rs. 750/- from a shop at tower Karachi.
those are recycled numbers most probably .. so just wait to get some unknown calls
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I am not able to have space in words if I am on full Editing page .. whats wrong with PG ? anyone else having that issue ?
It's a forum issue - the way to work around this is to add a few lines below the quoted part of the message, select all, cut the text, then paste it again. All images and formatting is retained. THEN you can type normally.
Weird bug, I know, but that's what I've been doing to fix it.
Just use the standard editor instead of the advanced one.those are recycled numbers most probably .. so just wait to get some unknown calls
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I am not able to have space in words if I am on full Editing page .. whats wrong with PG ? anyone else having that issue ?
Looks almost the same and has pretty much the same features.
Can be changed from settings.
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My port out request has not been requested... Thats strange.. Will wait till tomorrow and will visit Zong tomorrow evening
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Some more updates to the interference bit: since it appears that 3G is more affected than 4G by the physical placement of the phone, I decided to test it out again in Jinnah Park (Rawalpindi).
All tests were done in the car park, inside my car, in the same row that McDonalds is in. The car had bushes in front of it. Tests were done in the OpenSignal app. The phone was on the seat (it wasn't exactly in any line of sight of anything).Also, the upload speeds are wonky in the app, but in most cases, speeds fluctuated between 220-500 KB/s.
Telenor: 1.95 down, 0.088 up, 41ms latency.
Telenor: 1.94 down, 0.214 up, 61ms latency.
Pretty bad (or average?) speeds. Latencies aren't that great either... but then, it's 3G.
Decided to put in the Mobilink SIM in and test that out. The phone was now somewhere near the roof (not on the seat), inside of the car, but above the visible bushes in front of the car. 5.70 down, 2.33 up, 42ms latency (I had tested the same area on Mobilink 4G: 8.95 down, 6.60 up, 27ms latency).
I then decided to test the distortion theory (since I was technically measuring the speeds in different locations and in different environments/interferences), and decided to put the phone on the seat after starting the speed test (similar to how I was testing Telenor): speeds fell down from the initial burst and the test ended at 3.91 down (it went down and tapered a little above 2Mbps), 0.107 up, 38ms latency.
This gives credence to my theory: Telenor has its towers "hidden", others are more in the open (and visible), and thus, are less prone to distortion.
I'm not going to test Telenor with this other SIM I have any more - I'm going to port my number, and THEN conduct tests (it's easier that way as I would use my number as I should).
Meanwhile in Saddar, on Mobilink 3G, with a signal strength ranging from -73 dBm and -69dBm (opposite Bank Alfalah on The Mall) (within a range of 10 meters between the two tests), this is what I got: 2.47 down, 0.622 up, 71ms (I was actually parked in front of Fresco Sweets here); 3.09 down, 0.061 up, 69ms (I was on Mall Road here, before the signals, opposite Alfalah). The car moved a bit forward (around 5-10 meters, maybe), and I then get this: 6.32 down, 1.14 up, 50ms. I crossed the signal, and before HBL SDV Branch (opposite PTCL's exchange, rather), I got this: 5.53 down, 0.600 up, 54ms.
After all of this, I want to give Telenor a second chance. Yes, they're not as fast as Mobilink with full signals and zero distortions, but I do have a few questions:
- When there's zero traffic on the towers, why is it that Mobilink is able to provide a higher speed (to postpaid users) vs. Telenor (judging from past speed tests of Telenor)? Is it because Mobilink throttles prepaid and supplies postpaid/MBB users with more bandwidth (as opposed to sharing it equally like Zong or Telenor), or is it because Telenor's backhaul bandwidth is insufficient? Remember, I said when there is no load.
- The distortion theory seems to prove itself every time, so is building more towers (by reducing individual cell coverage but expanding overall coverage) the only way to overcome this distortion? Yes? No?
- To increase capacity, can operators add more frequencies (spectrum) to each EXISTING tower to give phones different "options" for connecting (like adding more doors to a car)? Looks like Telenor has a lot of 3G towers in each geographical cluster (to workaround the low spectrum), if you ask me.
- If all phones in a cell connect to the 2100 Mhz frequency, when a new phone connects to the 850Mhz frequency, would they get unlimited bandwidth (assuming unlimited backhaul and zero throttling policy)? I'm sure the cell towers are using both frequencies simultaneously (can they?) to cater to the load of the users.
And if my thinking is correct (I hope I'm wrong because I'm tired of reading up so much on this - I'm not paid for this!), I think Telenor managed to bump its capacity even more after acquiring 850Mhz because their initial strategy of building more sites (for the initial capacity) helped them in the short run, but now they have more frequencies to cater to more users on that already-developed big capacity so...
So I may be wrong, but I think I just answered my own question: Telenor probably restricts the amount of bandwidth made available to 3G users intentionally (so that one person doesn't hog), given the fact that they are now deploying more spectrum for 3G services (4G is not under discussion here). It's apparent that during PEAK times (see my long response a few pages back), they were able to offer speeds around 1 MB/s (and in some cases, speeds near 1.5 MB/s) in fairly densely populated areas - you just had to have a clear line of sight. Which most people won't. Because most towers are not high enough to overcome obstacles in its path between the cell and your phone (see section 2.3.2 Fading here).
All tests were done in the car park, inside my car, in the same row that McDonalds is in. The car had bushes in front of it. Tests were done in the OpenSignal app. The phone was on the seat (it wasn't exactly in any line of sight of anything).Also, the upload speeds are wonky in the app, but in most cases, speeds fluctuated between 220-500 KB/s.
Telenor: 1.95 down, 0.088 up, 41ms latency.
Telenor: 1.94 down, 0.214 up, 61ms latency.
Pretty bad (or average?) speeds. Latencies aren't that great either... but then, it's 3G.
Decided to put in the Mobilink SIM in and test that out. The phone was now somewhere near the roof (not on the seat), inside of the car, but above the visible bushes in front of the car. 5.70 down, 2.33 up, 42ms latency (I had tested the same area on Mobilink 4G: 8.95 down, 6.60 up, 27ms latency).
I then decided to test the distortion theory (since I was technically measuring the speeds in different locations and in different environments/interferences), and decided to put the phone on the seat after starting the speed test (similar to how I was testing Telenor): speeds fell down from the initial burst and the test ended at 3.91 down (it went down and tapered a little above 2Mbps), 0.107 up, 38ms latency.
This gives credence to my theory: Telenor has its towers "hidden", others are more in the open (and visible), and thus, are less prone to distortion.
Spoiler: show
I'm not going to test Telenor with this other SIM I have any more - I'm going to port my number, and THEN conduct tests (it's easier that way as I would use my number as I should).
Meanwhile in Saddar, on Mobilink 3G, with a signal strength ranging from -73 dBm and -69dBm (opposite Bank Alfalah on The Mall) (within a range of 10 meters between the two tests), this is what I got: 2.47 down, 0.622 up, 71ms (I was actually parked in front of Fresco Sweets here); 3.09 down, 0.061 up, 69ms (I was on Mall Road here, before the signals, opposite Alfalah). The car moved a bit forward (around 5-10 meters, maybe), and I then get this: 6.32 down, 1.14 up, 50ms. I crossed the signal, and before HBL SDV Branch (opposite PTCL's exchange, rather), I got this: 5.53 down, 0.600 up, 54ms.
After all of this, I want to give Telenor a second chance. Yes, they're not as fast as Mobilink with full signals and zero distortions, but I do have a few questions:
- When there's zero traffic on the towers, why is it that Mobilink is able to provide a higher speed (to postpaid users) vs. Telenor (judging from past speed tests of Telenor)? Is it because Mobilink throttles prepaid and supplies postpaid/MBB users with more bandwidth (as opposed to sharing it equally like Zong or Telenor), or is it because Telenor's backhaul bandwidth is insufficient? Remember, I said when there is no load.
- The distortion theory seems to prove itself every time, so is building more towers (by reducing individual cell coverage but expanding overall coverage) the only way to overcome this distortion? Yes? No?
- To increase capacity, can operators add more frequencies (spectrum) to each EXISTING tower to give phones different "options" for connecting (like adding more doors to a car)? Looks like Telenor has a lot of 3G towers in each geographical cluster (to workaround the low spectrum), if you ask me.
- If all phones in a cell connect to the 2100 Mhz frequency, when a new phone connects to the 850Mhz frequency, would they get unlimited bandwidth (assuming unlimited backhaul and zero throttling policy)? I'm sure the cell towers are using both frequencies simultaneously (can they?) to cater to the load of the users.
Spoiler: show
And if my thinking is correct (I hope I'm wrong because I'm tired of reading up so much on this - I'm not paid for this!), I think Telenor managed to bump its capacity even more after acquiring 850Mhz because their initial strategy of building more sites (for the initial capacity) helped them in the short run, but now they have more frequencies to cater to more users on that already-developed big capacity so...
So I may be wrong, but I think I just answered my own question: Telenor probably restricts the amount of bandwidth made available to 3G users intentionally (so that one person doesn't hog), given the fact that they are now deploying more spectrum for 3G services (4G is not under discussion here). It's apparent that during PEAK times (see my long response a few pages back), they were able to offer speeds around 1 MB/s (and in some cases, speeds near 1.5 MB/s) in fairly densely populated areas - you just had to have a clear line of sight. Which most people won't. Because most towers are not high enough to overcome obstacles in its path between the cell and your phone (see section 2.3.2 Fading here).
Spoiler: show
I hate telecom. I hate spectrums. I hate towers, frequencies, 3G and 4G. I hate reading up on the literature because it confuses me each time (I eventually figure it out, but the expedition is a pain).
And what will I do with this knowledge as a banker? I won't be able to convince anyone, and I'm sure those brain cells could have been used for something else equally unproductive.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
And what will I do with this knowledge as a banker? I won't be able to convince anyone, and I'm sure those brain cells could have been used for something else equally unproductive.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Worthy contributions to the thread though.
Hats off to the effort put into the research done by someone who does not even work in the telecom field.
I find it sad, yet useful in a way that we Pakistanis always have to do so much research to know how something works just to figure out why that particular service doesn't work properly here.
Take DSL for an example, PG has plenty of users who will tell you about line profiles, SNR, attenuation, different terms to use when referring to things, yet in the western world, all this is handled by Rakesh at an outsourced call center.
Here we are educating ourselves about a product or service more than the customer support agents will ever know about it.
I bet you the average consumer in any part of the Us or EU won't know how telecoms manage their spectrum, how they connect to the internet, how their ISP manages data, etc.
It's sad that we do it because nothing works properly here, but it's only benefiting us with the extra knowledge I guess.
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So today I have to pay my WASA bill which I haven't receieved yet (even today was due date). So I decided to deposit some amount in my easypaisa account (I can also pay bill from my bank's app laikin damagh ne kaam nai kiya). I went to a Telenor franchise near my house for deposit and I was literally shocked when I opened the door of Telenor franchise. It used to be an empty franchise with 1 or 2 customers maximumly. But there were atleast 20-30 people inside that 1 Marla shop and all were standing due to non availability of chairs. There were only two representatives in franchise which were badly failing to serve customers. Than I realized that Telenor has shut down its own S&SC and all customers are rushing towards franchises now. I put "Laanat" on Telenor and its Easypaisa and came out of franchise immediately.
As far as I know there are only 3 active franchises in whole Faisalabad, a third largest city with over 6 Million urban population right now.
[MENTION=63376]shaheerk[/MENTION] is planning to port on Telenor, are you ready to be humiliated on franchises?
[MENTION=36166]iNCEPTiON[/MENTION] what about your port out request? Sat-Sun doesn't count in processing time.
I too have a Telenor sim, which I will port out soon.
Dear Telenor,
Thanks, But No Thanks!
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As far as I know there are only 3 active franchises in whole Faisalabad, a third largest city with over 6 Million urban population right now.
[MENTION=63376]shaheerk[/MENTION] is planning to port on Telenor, are you ready to be humiliated on franchises?
[MENTION=36166]iNCEPTiON[/MENTION] what about your port out request? Sat-Sun doesn't count in processing time.
I too have a Telenor sim, which I will port out soon.
Dear Telenor,
Thanks, But No Thanks!
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JazzCash ftw. It works great.
Easypaisa doesn't even work half the time.
If I ever get the chance, maybe in March, when I'm off school, I'll port the Telenor number to Zong.
Or might just disown it, don't want anything to do with the 0346 code.
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I've never used Easypaisa, but after your experience, I feel sorry for you.
My dad, when he used to work for Telenor, used Easypaisa for a brief moment. I don't know how much more beneficial it would be vs. my bank account though, so that's why...
As for Easypaisa, damn, those guys spam their customers hard, and getting your number off the list was a hellish task (for me). I did, eventually, after emailing Michael Foley back then, and down heads did roll (I sent him a rather angry and frustrated email detailing my experience over the years, and that email circulated fairly quickly amongst their teams).
That's when I realized their customer service was helpful (it wasn't bad before, but I shouldn't have to get in touch with the CEO to complain). Anyway...
I went to the Blue Area S&SC which looked open. When I went inside, there were only a few agents sitting casually on the sofas and chatting. I was a little confused, and a lady appears, asking if I need help. I told her I'd like to port, and she directed me to the F10 or I9 franchises, because the Blue Area center had shut down (and was in the process of winding down).
I go to F10. There were about 9 customers in a small room (thank God it didn't smell...Too bad). I had to wait about 10 or so minutes before my turn eventually came, but the actual porting process was very quick. I was out of that place in another 5 minutes.
I have the 4G Telenor SIM with me. Now, we wait. Wish me luck!
I did, however, wish to be in another franchise at that moment, but I'm sure all franchises are alike. And - they should make a separate counter for Easypaisa queries, and have separate counters (be it all under one roof) for network related queries. But because they've merged the two together, it's a frightening scene.
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Edit: my porting request was received 10 minutes after sorting out with the franchise... That was much quicker than expected!
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