MULTI The Matrix Awakens [OT] A UE5 Experience of "HOLY SH*T, we've been Virtua Cop'ed"

[Necrokiller]

So, for the record, now CerebralTiger is saying all those resources are wasted on the RTGI lighting model.

 

[CerebralTiger]

Lumen has already shown great results via rasterization. I want non-RT GI and 60fps on consoles

 

[Necrokiller]

Imagine thinking this demo would receive the same HOLY SH*T reactions without RTGI

As for 60fps:

• Alex thinks UE5 has to prove itself at 60fps with some of this tech
• it's not just a "turn off lumen to get 60fps"

 

[CerebralTiger]

I mean, I did "HOLY SH*T" at the previous UE5 demo as well

Well, yeah, there's a single light source lighting up the whole city i.e. the sun (there are no street lights). Lumen can't just be disabled here, because there are no pre-baked lights. What can be done, however, is disabling HW-accelerated GI and reverting back to the SVOGI-like alternatives

P.S. Too bad Necrokiller hasn't shared his own reaction to the Matrix demo (or his thoughts on Cyberpunk 2077 or BF 2042, for that matter lol). Aisay tou nahi hoti disscusioooon

 

[Necrokiller]

So many mental gymnastics to avoid admitting RTGI is the future (or past for some developers)

 

[CerebralTiger]

Desprado jawaab diye baghair hi bhaag gya. I had yet to start a discusiooon on matters like IO and shader compilation stutters on PC. Battlefield 2042 performance ka bhi pooch leta, since the Matrix Awakens demo isn't on PC yet. Afsos, chalo Necrokiller hi kuch thoughts share kar dey, since he likes discussioooon

 

[Necrokiller]

Bless John for that tweet. Really seems to have a struck a nerve

 

[CerebralTiger]

Crossposting from the Senua whatever-it's-called thread before Necrokiller blames me for steering that discussiooon off-topic

Because visooooooals

Because "Not a game" physics vs Actoool physics

P.S. Crowd AI behavior comparisons can be provided if needed

 

[Necrokiller]

Game hai to phir Metascore bhi hoga. Wo bhi bata do

 

[EternalBlizzard]

I want non-RT GI and 60fps on consoles

What is this shit called?

 

[CerebralTiger]

What is this shit called?

Sparse Voxel Octree Global Illumination. Cone tracing is less taxing than ray tracing, but the results are great. Ideal for consoles.

 

[Necrokiller]

What is this shit called?

Sparse Voxel Octree Global Illumination.

Ek time pe CerebralTiger iss technology ko bhi downplay karta tha

 

[CerebralTiger]

When consoles can handle RTGI with complex physics and Nanite-like detail (so, not Metro Exodus, then ) without major compromises to performance, especially for a multiplayer game, woh bhi acceptable hoga meray liye

You can have your RTGI on PC, and console folks can have cheaper alternatives that also look great

 

[Necrokiller]

On one hand CerebralTiger’s insecurities want to champion gameplay and support Nintendo. On the other hand, next gen is all about dem higher polygon counts. “ Nanite-like” LMFAO

Consoles ka to pata nahi but I don’t think I can handle more of these broken ass logics

 

[CerebralTiger]

For me, next-gen is all about BOTW-like interactivity with complex geometry (hence, Nanite)

 

[EternalBlizzard]

Sparse Voxel Octree Global Illumination. Cone tracing is less taxing than ray tracing, but the results are great. Ideal for consoles.

I still don't understand how is this non-RT tho. It's a derivative of raytracing or ray-marching to be more accurate.

 

[Necrokiller]

I still don't understand how is this non-RT tho. It's a derivative of raytracing or ray-marching to be more accurate.

Because……it doesn’t have the letters “RT” or the word “ray tracing” in it mate

This is just the usual when it comes to CerebralTiger. "SVOGI? Who cares, baked lighting is great. RTGI? Who cares, I want non-RT SVOGI."

 

[EternalBlizzard]

You can have your RTGI on PC, and console folks can have cheaper alternatives that also look great

Does this mean what I think it means?

 

[CerebralTiger]

I still don't understand how is this non-RT tho. It's a derivative of raytracing or ray-marching to be more accurate.

If you're going to put it like that, the GI we've had in games for years with bounce lighting is also a derivative of ray tracing lol. The difference is in approach. Realistically, RT requires HW-acceleration, while SVOGI does not. It's approximation based on voxel cones, and, therefore, updating it every frame is simply a lot cheaper and more performant.

Does this mean what I think it means?

Park mein bataoun ga

Because……it doesn’t have the letters “RT” or the word “ray tracing” in it mate

This is just the usual when it comes to CerebralTiger. "SVOGI? Who cares, baked lighting is great. RTGI? Who cares, I want non-RT SVOGI."

That moment when Mr. Discussiooon's own post reads like a low effort Youtube comment

 

[Radical]

tldr;

UE 5 tyt engine hay.