[OT] English Premier League: Man City 17/18 Champions!

[hmir]

I don't know about panic buys. There arae still 2-4 days for United to do that.

United could and should have bought two world class central defenders instead of Maria. They still could and should do exactly that.

 

[Raza7154]

United could and should have bought two world class central defenders instead of Maria. They still could and should do exactly that.

how many are there? out of those, how many are available? out of those, how many will want to come to united? out of those, how many will we actually sign?

all in all, nope

 

[hmir]

You gots ta have faith, brah!

There are plenty of defenders around. Offer them big money and they will come. Just like they did when Chelsea, and later City, were signing players when they weren't the top dogs of England. You just have to pay more to bring these top players in.

Only problem with that now is that FFP is in full effect, and it isn't the kind of playing field like it used to be.

 

[mbk99]

Leicester have signed Argentina international midfielder Esteban Cambiasso.

 

[cobby]

You gots ta have faith, brah!

There are plenty of defenders around. Offer them big money and they will come. Just like they did when Chelsea, and later City, were signing players when they weren't the top dogs of England. You just have to pay more to bring these top players in.

Only problem with that now is that FFP is in full effect, and it isn't the kind of playing field like it used to be.

which defenders name them

and city got big players only when they got CL football .

 

[hmir]

which defenders name them

and city got big players only when they got CL football .

Pretty much any defender in the other leagues. i.e. Germany, Spain, France, Italy, etc from teams that are not in the Champion's League, and in some cases, even those that are.

Why? Because of the disparity between wages. What players get paid in those leagues in general is much less than what players get paid in the Premier League which makes coming to the Premier League a very attractive offer for them financially.

 

[cobby]

Pretty much any defender in the other leagues. i.e. Germany, Spain, France, Italy, etc from teams that are not in the Champion's League, and in some cases, even those that are.

Why? Because of the disparity between wages. What players get paid in those leagues in general is much less than what players get paid in the Premier League which makes coming to the Premier League a very attractive offer for them financially.

and how come those players will be any better than our current defenders , first u mentioned world class and now this , those not in CL are hardly any worldclass

 

[NighteySenpai]

and how come those players will be any better than our current defenders , first u mentioned world class and now this , those not in CL are hardly any worldclass

Still better than Smalling, Evans, Jones and Rafael

 

[StrikerX]

Why weren't we in for Benatia?

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[cobby]

Still better than Smalling, Evans, Jones and Rafael

how can u say that , when those players havent played in BPL and tell me names of those so called WClass defenders

 

[mbk99]

LVG on Rojo's international clearance.
"On Marcos Rojo's work permit: "It's only a matter of time. I'm manager of the biggest club in the world, but I can't change the law!"

While West Ham Utd are in talks to sign defensive midfielder Alex Song from Barcelona, according to Sky sources.

 

[Behrox]

how can u say that , when those players havent played in BPL and tell me names of those so called WClass defenders

Hummels and Benatia :umad:

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LVG on Rojo's international clearance.
"On Marcos Rojo's work permit: "It's only a matter of time. I'm manager of the biggest club in the world, but I can't change the law!"

While West Ham Utd are in talks to sign defensive midfielder Alex Song from Barcelona, according to Sky sources.

Praise the Lord!

 

[cobby]

Hummels and Benatia :umad:

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Praise the Lord!

im talking about non CL players , Hummels and Benatia played in CL clubs

 

[hmir]

and how come those players will be any better than our current defenders , first u mentioned world class and now this , those not in CL are hardly any worldclass

My original statement was indeed about United's need for World Class defenders. However, by the time you came in, my follow up post was pretty much talking about defenders, not necessarily of world class ilk, but excellent defenders that United need.

Any of the defenders playing in the top leagues of Europe, and not directly involved in the Champion's League are potential targets.

Even those that are not world class are still head and shoulders above the likes of the defenders United currectly have. See post below.

Still better than Smalling, Evans, Jones and Rafael

If you want examples of World Class defenders that could be persuaded to leave, than it is possible that if you throw enough money at Hummels, he could possibly be persuaded to leave Dortmund.

Angel Di Maria is the classic example of a player that will take that step down in terms of quality of competition (no CL), for better wages.

Now before you get all worked up about it, yes, Angel Di Maria did leave Madrid because of the money situation. He wasn't offered the money he wanted so he left and his father has slammed Madrid for showing lack of respect.

Point is, if you throw enough money at a player, you have a good chance of acquiring his services.

 

[cobby]

My original statement was indeed about United's need for World Class defenders. However, by the time you came in, my follow up post was pretty much talking about defenders, not necessarily of world class ilk, but excellent defenders that United need.

Any of the defenders playing in the top leagues of Europe, and not directly involved in the Champion's League are potential targets.

Even those that are not world class are still head and shoulders above the likes of the defenders United currectly have. See post below.



If you want examples of World Class defenders that could be persuaded to leave, than it is possible that if you throw enough money at Hummels, he could possibly be persuaded to leave Dortmund.

Angel Di Maria is the classic example of a player that will take that step down in terms of quality of competition (no CL), for better wages.

Now before you get all worked up about it, yes, Angel Di Maria did leave Madrid because of the money situation. He wasn't offered the money he wanted so he left and his father has slammed Madrid for showing lack of respect.

Point is, if you throw enough money at a player, you have a good chance of acquiring his services.

I will say again how can you be sure that those defenders will be good in BPL as well , as far Hummels etc concerned there clubs wont sell him and player wont push for a move . We were after Benaita and offered more money in bid but the player agent made it sure that his client wants to move to Munchen , even if UTD start bidding for players like Hummels etc , chances are other clubs with UCL football chasing him as well which will make it easy for hummels to move to the club offering UCL .
Van gaal clearly has targets in his mind and he is buying those player who he believe will improve the club , he bought rojo cause rojo proved at WC he might be a improvement for club , while there are many upcoming good defenders playing in Bundesliga etc but there is no guarantee they will improve or be good than jones evans etc cause they havent performed at top level in CL or WC etc

The case of di maria is simple , Real madrid wanted to sell him there is no secret in it , after they bought Jamez they wanted to sell di maria (they could have easily offered him more money but they didnt) to fund move for may be Falcao .

 

[hmir]

I will say again how can you be sure that those defenders will be good in BPL

If that was the prevalent thinking that everyone adopted, Clubs would never buy players from other Leagues.

You can never be 100% sure, but you can certainly make an educated guess as to the suitability of a defender in the Premier League.

Did United know for sure that Vidic would be a success at United moving from a vastly inferior League? No, they made an educated guess and a calculated decision to bring him in. It worked out.

That's how all transfers work.

 

[cobby]

If that was the prevalent thinking that everyone adopted, Clubs would never buy players from other Leagues.

You can never be 100% sure, but you can certainly make an educated guess as to the suitability of a defender in the Premier League.

Did United know for sure that Vidic would be a success at United moving from a vastly inferior League? No, they made an educated guess and a calculated decision to bring him in. It worked out.

That's how all transfers work.

Vidic was part of great team which conceded i guess 1 goal in qualification of WC or Euro . He showed the potential , those other player which ur talking about haven't showed worth at intl level or at club level in UCL

 

[Raza7154]

Vidic was part of great team which conceded i guess 1 goal in qualification of WC or Euro . He showed the potential , those other player which ur talking about haven't showed worth at intl level or at club level in UCL

the point remains: beggars can't be choosers....

even if the potential defenders are not up to the mark of the Thiago Silvas, and the Mehdi Benatias and the Mats Hummelses, they'll still be better than Smalling, Evans and co.... it's not like our current crop of defenders is setting the Premier League alight

 

[Raza7154]

If you want examples of World Class defenders that could be persuaded to leave, than it is possible that if you throw enough money at Hummels, he could possibly be persuaded to leave Dortmund.

Angel Di Maria is the classic example of a player that will take that step down in terms of quality of competition (no CL), for better wages.

Now before you get all worked up about it, yes, Angel Di Maria did leave Madrid because of the money situation. He wasn't offered the money he wanted so he left and his father has slammed Madrid for showing lack of respect.

Point is, if you throw enough money at a player, you have a good chance of acquiring his services.

i think the key point in the Di Maria case is the fact that a situation arose which prompted him to move away from Madrid.... United jumped at the chance and signed him.... the question remains, had Di Maria not been deemed surplus to the Bernabeau squad, and had actually been considered a key member, would United have been able to sign him? personally, i HIGHLY doubt it....

if a defender actually becomes available, United might go in with the money and try to sign him.... until then, i doubt it...

if we offer PSG 70m for Thiago Silva, and offered him 500k wages, i doubt the transfer will come to fruition

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is it just me, or did use the word "doubt" a lot?

 

[mbk99]

Chelsea have confirmed that a deal has been agreed with AC Milan for Fernando Torres to move on to San Siro on a two-year loan.

Montpellier have tweeted that an agreement has been reached for the transfer of defensive midfielder Benjamin Stambouli to Tottenham.