MULTI [OT] Death Stranding | Tomorrow Is In Your Hands

[Necrokiller]

I've read that in the past. Its an upscaling technique like you said yourself. You can use simple or complex AI algorithms for it, that is not the debate, but the basic principle is "filling out" the rest of the pixels from your actual base rendering resolution.

The only catch is that some of those are generated by the checker board algorithm.

Not "some" of those. A 1920x1080 game checker boarded to 4K means the algorithm "filled" 4 times the amount of pixels. Your native rendering budget is still that of a 1080p game.

I just haven't seen any impressive looking CB 4K screenshots. They're all way too blurry. Can you share some from your Pro? Preferably Death Stranding to stay on topic

 

[Chandoo]

I'm sorry you don't find the CB rendering technique effective Necro That's not to say there aren't bad implementations of it (Monster Hunter World and Red Dead 2 are 2 major examples where the CB rendering can make things look worse). Otherwise, DF seems to be big fans of it:

Death Stranding:

Pixel counts suggest the same 2160p resolution as Horizon Zero Dawn, with the checkerboarding remaining one of the best in the business, with clean edges and minimal artefacting. This combines with excellent texture filtering and temporal stability to produce a very filmic image that looks almost pre-rendered at times

Horizon ZD:

Horizon's implementation of checkerboard 4K was simply stunning - perhaps a touch softer than native rendering, but beautiful nonetheless

Witcher 3:

PS4 Pro's checkerboard technique attempts to mitigate the quality loss using pixel information from the previous frame - and in a still screenshot, it creates a respectable illusion of a full 3840x2160.

God of War:

which features one of the finest implementations of checkerboard rendering we've seen to date with a level of clarity not far from native 4K

That is to say, CB rendering when employed well, can be a great way to effectively mimic 4K on much weaker hardware.

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Which brings us back to Death Stranding, of which I finished the first 2 chapters tonight. It is a weird, fascinating, intriguing game with some loooong cut-scenes. The prologue does a great job of setting up the world but I have a feeling the game will have *hours* of cut-scenes before it ends ala MGS4.

Spoiler: show

Also, as a new parent myself, the whole BB thing is freaking me the fuck out.

Quite possibly some of the best directed and detailed cinematics, also helped by some of the best character rendering I've seen in any game so far.

DF's comment about the game having a pre-rendered look are pretty spot on. I thought the intro was a CGI cut-scene right up until the game seamlessly transitions you from the scene into game play. The game has a very post process heavy look with very high quality motion blur and DoF implementation (though when the PC version is out, it would be interesting to see the game with those things turned off in favor of performance).

^ The camera pans back in the world when you're going from place to place to give you a super wide view of the environments as you're walking/running. There's also a lot of licensed indie-ish music in the game.

Just in the first 2 chapters there's been at least 2 moments like entering Mexico in Red Dead Redemption with an appropriately haunting music track playing as you're discovering something in the world etc.





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Also, Norman Reedus can stick his tongue out on command.

and there's a lot of Monster product placement.

 

[Necrokiller]

I'm sorry you don't find the CB rendering technique effective Necro

Luckily I didn't waste any money on a 4K display so I never needed it in the first place. Apology accepted though

 

[Chandoo]

Luckily I didn't waste any money on a 4K display so I never needed it in the first place. Apology accepted though

Native system level down-sampling to 1080p has been available on Pro for a while now. Though you have a base PS4 so it's not like you could see these in action firsthand anyway .

 

[Necrokiller]

Native system level down-sampling to 1080p has been available on Pro for a while now. Though you have a base PS4 so it's not like you could see these in action firsthand anyway .

Yeah because there has never been a way to downsample any game on PC for me to know what downsampling looks like

Viewing this first hand show some pretty poor texture filtering and PS3 era flat grass field infront of Sam. That sight is probably what killed the person he has to carry.

This needs a massive dose of sharpening. holy shit this looks super blurry

 

[Chandoo]

Yeah because there has never been a way to downsample any game on PC for me to know what downsampling looks like

You've never seen a PS4 game running with checkerboard rendering either native or down-sampled, that was my point


Don't let me poor screenshot taking abilities detract from how high quality the foliage actually is


Texture filtering isn't the best but then again that's something the PS4 has had issues with since day 1. Even TLoU 2 game play showed mediocre filtering.

Also, putting this in spoiler tags RE foliage:

Spoiler: show

Whenever the BT enemies show up, whereever they put their feet (hands ?) on the ground, vegetation starts coming out of it. And if you're caught by one of them, there is some massive amount of geometry shifting happening in real time.

For as barren as the environments look at a glance, there's more real time shifting in it than I've seen in most other games.


You should really give this game a try when it's on discount

This needs a massive dose of sharpening. holy shit this looks super blurry​

I'm pretty sure you're conflating depth of field with TAA blur here

 

[Necrokiller]

You've never seen a PS4 game running with checkerboard rendering either native or down-sampled, that was my point

I haven't seen ALL exclusives in that manner, but that's still quite an assumption on your part

And I'm looking at the stuff you're posting and the results ain't pretty. I mean... this is pretty horrible. Almost looks like a PS Now version

Frankly these screens look like a worse version of Shadow of the Colossus Remake. Its pretty comparable in its long stretches of barren and flat fields

I'm pretty sure you're conflating depth of field with TAA blur here

No even the immediate details in the bottom half of the screen are blurry af

 

[Chandoo]

I haven't seen ALL exclusives in that manner, but that's still quite an assumption on your part

You said yourself about the 4K screen and you have a base PS4, doesn't take much to put 2 and 2 together

And I'm looking at the stuff you're posting and the results ain't pretty. I mean... this is pretty bad. Almost looks like a PS Now version

That's because that is infact a trailer screen grab

The early parts of the game I'm at only has small foliage, just wanted to pull up a screenshot which shows that's not how all foliage looks like in the game.

You win a cookie for accurately noticing video jpeg compression

No even the immediate details in the bottom half of the screen are blurry af

I think it's still DoF or motion blur that you're mixing with TAA blur


Look at these 2, no blurring:

And then look at this one, blurring near the bottom portion of the screen, likely motion blur from the fast movement/camera pan.

 

[Necrokiller]

That's because that is infact a trailer screen grab

See I was spot on there, aap ne post ki thi mene nahi

Character models are the game's biggest strength honestly. Everything else is quite average and not helped by the image quality. I think native base PS4 shots might have slightly better image quality since I'm guessing you're downsampling these.

And then look at this one, blurring near the bottom portion of the screen, likely motion blur from the fast movement/camera pan.

There is no such effect on the screen I was talking about.

Even TLoU 2 game play showed mediocre filtering.

Arey bhai, ye to meri line thi :lol:

 

[Necrokiller]

@Chandoo

Actual "4K" output from Pro.

 

[Chandoo]

^ lol those images show more compression than my 1080p screens. They're not 4K at all.

DF has some 4K JPEG's in their gallery you can look at in a glance.

 

[Necrokiller]

^ They're not 4K at all.

Exactly. They're CB 4K

 

[Chandoo]

Exactly. They're CB 4K

Technically you are correct, the worst kind of correct.

 

[Chandoo]

Multiple Horizon easter eggs are present in the game, I saw a holographic Aloy too.

 

[manigamer]

i just saw the ending on youtube. im done with this game

 

[Chandoo]

Totally not a political game mirite Kojima ?

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@Necrokiller since you were asking .. there's more to the game than the 'barren' world


Example, this random WW1 battlefield out of nowhere

Also .. in more Kojima stuff, this happens on your birthday (The game asks for your birthday before starting):

 

[Necrokiller]

@Necrokiller since you were asking .. there's more to the game than the 'barren' world

Example, this random WW1 battlefield out of nowhere

 

[Necrokiller]

All celebrity cameos in Death Stranding

Death Stranding has a particularly star-studded cast playing its main and ancillary characters. In fact, listing all of its celebrity cameos is a bit of a task. You likely already know about Norman Reedus playing the lead role of Sam Bridges, Lea Seydoux as Fragile, Mads Mikkelsen as Cliff, and the rest of the main cast, but there are other characters portrayed by some familiar faces as well. Many of them aren't voiced by their celebrity likenesses, but it's fun to see them in-game anyway.

Save Death Stranding, Keanu! :lol:

 

[Chandoo]

^ Wajhi said Sam Lake is also in it, not on the list.

There may be more

Also "Celebrity Cameos". Number 1 is Geoff Keighley. GTFO (lmao)



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With the help of various online players, managed to complete the big highway in the chapter 3 map from the northern most city to the southern most city. Anyone whose in my instance of the game or forms a 'strand' with me will enjoy the fruits of my labor.

Also, I checked the in-game tracker and apparently most of the likes I've received so far (out of the 70k or so I have) are from other players and very few from NPC's. Surprising but OK

 

[Necrokiller]

^ Wajhi said Sam Lake is also in it, not on the list.

There may be more

Also "Celebrity Cameos". Number 1 is Geoff Keighley. GTFO (lmao)



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With the help of various online players, managed to complete the big highway in the chapter 3 map from the northern most city to the southern most city. Anyone whose in my instance of the game or forms a 'strand' with me will enjoy the fruits of my labor.

Also, I checked the in-game tracker and apparently most of the likes I've received so far (out of the 70k or so I have) are from other players and very few from NPC's. Surprising but OK

Sam Lake is on the list.