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[maxold90]

^^ i already heard such of promises (specially IK as he talk more then he can do) even i by my self not patriot any more , just waiting for situation to get sustain so can fly away from this domed country , but what i concern more about is innocent life's as in todays blast there almost 6-8 kids whom one of them is expired on spot and others are badly injured . as far as voting concern i don't want to be the part of wrong (or right may be) , so its better to be neutral .

 

[hasanJ]

but we cant wait for dialogue , and whom to dialogue and for what (as TTP want there system in our society) , and is it really easy to shoot down drones and what will be the reaction of US if IK order to shoot down drone , and what happen if drone thing end and TTP pass some more of statements , because in mean time they get more of there roots in society which cause more bloodshed and if i vote for PTI , and if they even more empower TTP then i would never been able to forgive my self for this sin .

I think u need to listen to what IK has to say about solving the TTP problem

Its TTP after being beat left right and centre by the Army that wants dialogues/negotiation
In my previous post i said PPP is a No Man show and is the reason they could not make any policy to tackle the TTP Problem

Imran Khan is of opinion that if TTP wants dialogues/negotiation we should give it to them within the Constitution of Pakistan

1. IK is against talibanization and will remain under the Constitution of Pakistan
2. Army has already made its stance clear about Terrorism

So tell why are u so worried? Why are u implying IK supports Talibanization when he has made clears his policies to tackle this problem will remain under the constitution

hmm so its better to not vote for any one as these three of them whom do nothing about TTP (reason could be they scared of due to what happen to Musharraf in controversy of lal mosque and Bugatti scene) on other hand JUI/JI (i personally know what kind of people they are as in my university days my interaction with them is the worst experiences of my life) PMLN we all know what they did in 90's .

PPP did nothing about TTP in 5 years
Hell during their term TTP actually came into prominence

 

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VOTE polling station main ja ker dalna hay

That's away from PG, outside your house, somewhere in your area.

Go there and cast your vote on the big day if you want Imran Khan, Nawaz Sharif, Meera whoever to be your chosen leader.

 

[jacktheripper]

are you kidding me , kindly visit industrial area of karachi they are generating most of there energy by them self even provide energy to servant quarters as well , as far as bhata concern , it is same criminal element whom doing all this chaos in city and that is the reason why i am talking about zia whom bring these afg here along with weapons and drugs culture and in my previous para i didn't talk about IK experiences or not it was about absolute power make ever one mad that's it either it is IK or any one else and 18th amendment is not just about up lift the ban from person to not sit in CM/PM seat after 3rd turn , it is more then this , it empower more to provinces so they may able to handle there matter internally which include energy crises as well in which ONLY Punjab govt failed to perform where in sindh situation is much better .

I am sorry but if your opinion of a flourishing industry is their self-sufficiency in power, you are gravely mistaken. Electricity is the basic necessity nowadays especially for a growing economy. If the industries in Karachi are generating their own power it points to two things. Failure of the government to provide a basic, economy-building necessity. Secondly, can you imagine the increased cost of production implying decreased wages for the workers, reduced profits and much higher
break even points and may also result in reduced production capacity. Additionally, Karachi is not where all the country's industry are. Try industries in Lahore, Faisalabad, Gujranwala, Sialkot, Multan etc. Study their situation also. Additionally, what about the small industries? Should we provide them with nuclear reactors to generate their own power because I don't think they can run thermal power plants on their own owing to the fuel prices. As for the 18th amendment, I didn't say all of it is baseless. I only mentioned the part for removing the limit on tenures as it pertained to your point. As for the point of performance of provincial governments of Sindh and Punjab, kindly also note that the population difference between the two is huge hence much more resources are required there. Punjab faces the most extensive CNG outages compared to rest of the country because their both their consumption and requirement are higher. Although, the idea of introducing CNG on the first place was a huge mistake. Correct me if I am wrong but places like Thatta, Hyderabad, Sukkur, Jacobabad are still facing all the crises being faced by numerous cities in Punjab like power, employment, security etc etc. Karachi is not the entire country nor is Lahore nor is Islamabad.

 

[jacktheripper]

I've always been poorly cognizant of the political landscape of Pakistan due to being severly disillusioned by the elements involved. This election, though, is a little different.

I've witnessed the constant power shuffle between PML and PPP. We put one party in power, get fed up, shift allegiance, and perpetuate an alternating cycle brought on mostly by desperation. We have bounced back and forth between the devil and the deep blue sea, to ruinous results.

One doesn't require inordinate perspicacity to realize that the sum of all the efforts of any government over the past two decades has been declivitous regression. Lauding relatively minor and superficial improvements in any field is tantamount to celebrating the resolution of a minor headache when the patient is dying of cancer. The efforts by recent governments have been of the band aid variety, designed to placate the population with symptomatic aid rather than tackling core issues. Symptomatic, partial, and temporary relief from deep rooted issues that have remained unresolved in the long term.

Why does Punjab get the lions share of governmental efforts when PML is in power? Its politically motivated preferential treatment of a subset of the Pakistani population, designed to secure the loyalty and the votes of our uneducated, unthinking, desperate masses.

Voting is an endeavor of limited choices. One perspective would be to believe Imran Khan is the noble savior we've been waiting for. Or, if your time in this country has made you cynical, that he might be the least political evil. So how should a nation desperate for a turn of fate approach these elections? Should we let our cynicism drive us to inaction or folly, or should we vote for the best chance for change, no matter how slight that chance?

Either way, it seems that from a purely logical perspective, they cynics and the dreamers should unite.

I'd simply say one thing: Brilliant!

 

[jacktheripper]

Might I add one more thing for the fellow gamers. Democracy is not just being elected by popular vote. Conditions of impartiality and accountability accompany it. What we have in Pakistan is what someone aptly described as "
​TYRANNY OF MAJORITY".

 

[maxold90]

I think u need to listen to what IK has to say about solving the TTP problem

Its TTP after being beat left right and centre by the Army that wants dialogues/negotiation
In my previous post i said PPP is a No Man show and is the reason they could not make any policy to tackle the TTP Problem

Imran Khan is of opinion that if TTP wants dialogues/negotiation we should give it to them within the Constitution of Pakistan

1. IK is against talibanization and will remain under the Constitution of Pakistan
2. Army has already made its stance clear about Terrorism

So tell why are u so worried? Why are u implying IK supports Talibanization when he has made clears his policies to tackle this problem will remain under the constitution



PPP did nothing about TTP in 5 years
Hell during their term TTP actually came into prominence

dosent matter what this PPPs or PTIs or what ever crap as in today's scene when i saw those kids in blood i am done with all these politics crap and it is not first time , as you guyz are permanent resident of this city so you may ask about your parents that what happen in 90s era because what i heard from people here its like this city always filled in blood , reason could be any , but innocent people die eventually .

ohh well i already submit 3 days leave in office for election days and will go to my relative in interior sindh , as its better to enjoy the show from there (sm1)

 

[maxold90]

I am sorry but if your opinion of a flourishing industry is their self-sufficiency in power, you are gravely mistaken. Electricity is the basic necessity nowadays especially for a growing economy. If the industries in Karachi are generating their own power it points to two things. Failure of the government to provide a basic, economy-building necessity. Secondly, can you imagine the increased cost of production implying decreased wages for the workers, reduced profits and much higher
break even points and may also result in reduced production capacity. Additionally, Karachi is not where all the country's industry are. Try industries in Lahore, Faisalabad, Gujranwala, Sialkot, Multan etc. Study their situation also. Additionally, what about the small industries? Should we provide them with nuclear reactors to generate their own power because I don't think they can run thermal power plants on their own owing to the fuel prices. As for the 18th amendment, I didn't say all of it is baseless. I only mentioned the part for removing the limit on tenures as it pertained to your point. As for the point of performance of provincial governments of Sindh and Punjab, kindly also note that the population difference between the two is huge hence much more resources are required there. Punjab faces the most extensive CNG outages compared to rest of the country because their both their consumption and requirement are higher. Although, the idea of introducing CNG on the first place was a huge mistake. Correct me if I am wrong but places like Thatta, Hyderabad, Sukkur, Jacobabad are still facing all the crises being faced by numerous cities in Punjab like power, employment, security etc etc. Karachi is not the entire country nor is Lahore nor is Islamabad.

respect your opinion , definitely energy crises is one of major problem face by SME's and .CO but solution is not short term , even for a little betterment almost one of our generation has to sacrifice there WANTS and work so hard to change our mind set as well the way of life and i don get it why people always expect so much from govt where pay very little from there side , as every last single of us is doing corruption on there level but when some TV reporter ask them on street that what problem are you facing then they give large list of problem to him/her and put all blame on govt . it is also not correct , as i try to follow the rules no matter if others are following or not or even some time break them like others but i also try not to criticize govt in corruption because i by my self is also not clean so i don't have right to point on other . like now days stock exchange in going so high , first question in mind is why in such situation ??? simple , because all those business man and politicians whom have black money , they are transforming it in to white by investing it in stocks . well all these thing will go on and it will not change by just one click so don't expect much from next govt as well , any how best of luck for voting :wink2: .

 

[Ottoman]

@Blastwave Kindly update the first post.

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Pakistan General Elections 2013

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Major political parties:

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Party History:

Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP):

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Electoral History (National Assembly)[8]

• 1970 Election (West Pakistan)

Seats won: 81 (out of 138 National Assembly Seats)
Formed government

ZAB in consultation with party members right after the 1970 election results were announced.​

• 1977 Election

Seats won: 155 (out of 200 NA Seats)

The election was declared null and void by the military regime that toppled the government and imposed Martial Law.

• 1988 Election

Seats won: 93 (out of 204 NA seats)
Formed government.

Benazir waves to the cheering crowd after her party won the most seats in the 1988 election.​

• 1990 Election

Seats won: 44 (out of 206 NA seats)

• 1993 Election

Seats won: 86 (out of 202 NA seats)
Formed Government.

• 1997 Election

Seats won: 18 (out of 204 NA seats)

• 2002 Election

Seats won: 64 (out of 271 NA seats)

• 2008 Election

Seats won: 95 (out of 268 NA seats)
Formed government.

PPP supporters dance to celebrate the party’s victory in the 2008 election.​

Areas of electoral influence: Sindh; South Punjab; Parts of KP and Balochistan.


Ideological Evolution
Socialist/Populist (1967-74); Centrist/Populist (1974-77); Socialist (1978-86); Social Democrat (1988-93); Centre-left (1993-2002); Liberal-Left (2002- ).

Views on religion:
Quasi-Secular, but has always been flexible enough to accommodate certain aspects of Political Islam, Sufi Islam(9) and Modernist Reformist Islam(10).

ZAB showering rose petals on the grave of Sufi saint, Data Ganj Bakhsh, in Lahore (1974).​

Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N):

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Electoral history (National Assembly)(15)

• 1988 Election

Seats won: 54 (out of 204 NA seats) (16)

• 1990 Election

Seats won: 105 (out of 206 NA seats) (17)
Formed government.

Nawaz Sharif (third from left) with MQM chief, Altaf Hussain (second from left), in Karachi soon after Nawaz was elected as PM in 1990.
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• 1993 Election

Seats won: 73 (out of 202 NA seats)

• 1997 Election

Seats won: 135 (out of 204 NA seats)

Nawaz Sharif behind bars at a police lock-up after his government was toppled in a military coup in 1999. He was later sent into exile.​

• 2002 Election

Seats won: 15 (out of 271 NA seats)

• 2008 Election

Seats won: 72 (out of 268 NA seats)

Nawaz Sharif with PPP Chairperson, late Benazir Bhutto, in London, 2006. The two former foes signed a Charter of Democracy and vowed to work together to keep the military out of politics.​

Areas of electoral influence: Punjab; parts of South Punjab; Hindko-speaking areas of KP.

Ideological evolution:
Quasi-Islamic/Conservative (1988-93); Quasi-Islamic/Conservative/Populist (1993-2000); Centre-Right/Populist (2002 – ).

Nawaz Sharif in 2009. His party is popular among Punjab’s business and trader classes.​

Views on religion:
Politically moderate but socially conservative, even though recently some liberal leaders have been allowed to come to the front.

Over the years the party is trying to shed its old ‘Ziaist’/Islamic image and cultivate a more moderate and democratic appeal, even though in the last five years it has been accused by opponents of being vague and uncommitted in its stand against religious extremism and terrorism in Pakistan.

Nawaz Sharif with his handpicked president, Rafiq Tarar, who was a staunch member of the apolitical Islamic evangelical movement, the Tableeghi Jamat.

Columnist Ayaz Amir was one of the most liberal and secular leaders of the PML-N. He was however refused a party ticket for the 2013 election on the behest of the party’s ‘hawks.’​

Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI):

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Electoral History (National Assembly)

• 1997 Election

Seats won: None

• 2002 Election

Seats won: 1 (out of 271 NA seats)

• 2008 Election

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Areas of electoral influence (possible): Central and northern Punjab; KP.


Ideological evolution:
Right-wing (1996-2002); Centre-Right (2002-2008); Centre-Right/Populist (2010 – ).

Views on Religion:
Moderate, even though PTI has come under constant criticism for playing the role of an ‘apologist’ for the Taliban. Nevertheless, PTI has been actively criticising Sunni sectarian organisations for attacks on the Shia community.

Khan continues to clarify that his party’s relationship with religion is like that of Jinnah’s and Iqbal’s.

He usually uses Islamic symbolism in his speeches. Most of his critics label PTI as a right-wing party whereas some have gone on to suggest that Khan is using religion like the ‘socialist’ Z A. Bhutto did in the 1970s.

Khan addresses an anti-drone rally near South Waziristan, 2012.

Khan with one of his favourite pet dogs in Islamabad.​

Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM):

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Electoral History (National Assembly)

• 1988 Election

Seats won: 12
Became part of PPP-led government. Quit in 1990.

Altaf Hussain addressing an election rally in Karachi, 1988.
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• 1990 Election


Seats won: 15
Became part of PML/IJI-led government. Quit in 1992.

• 1993 Election

Boycotted NA Election.

• 1997 Election

Seats won: 12
Became part of PML-N led government. Quit in 1998.

• 2002 Election

Seats won: 13
Became part of the PML-Q led government.

MQM’s Mustafa Kamal was elected Karachi’s Mayor in 2006. He rose to become one of the city’s most popular officials.​

• 2008 Election

Seats won: 19
Became part of PPP-led government.

MQM supporters rejoice after the party swept the 2008 election in the country’s largest city, Karachi.

Areas of electoral influence: Karachi; Hyderabad (Sindh).

Ideological evolution:
Centre-left (1984-88); Centrist (1990-2002); Liberal (2002 – ).

Views on religion:
Secular. Overtly opposed to radical Islamic groups and thought. Sometimes adopts Sindh’s traditional Sufi Islamic symbolism.

Poster of an MQM rally at the shrine of Sufi saint Shah Abdul Latif in Bhitshah, Sindh.​

Awami National Party (ANP):

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Electoral History (National Assembly)(25)

• 1988 Election

Seats won: 2

• 1990 Election

Seats won: 6

Joined the PML/IJI led government

• 1993 Election

Seats won: 3

• 1997 Election

Seats won: 9

Became part of the PML-N government. Quit in 1998.

• 2002 Election

Seats won: None

• 2008 Election

Seats won: 10

Became part of the PPP-led government.

Areas of electoral influence: KP; and parts of Balochistan and Karachi.

Head of ANP, Asfandyar Wali speaking at an ANP convention in Peshawar.
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Ideological Orientation
(As NAP): Socialist/Marxist (1967-75); (As ANP): Socialist (1986-88); Progressive/Pushtun Nationalist (1990- ).

Views on religion:
Secular/Humanist. Overtly opposed to radical Islamic groups and thought.

A recent poster of ANP showing ANP members assassinated by extreme Islamist organizations.​

Jamat-i-Islami (JI):

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Electoral History (National Assembly)

• 1970 Election
Seats won: 4

• 1977 Election
Seats won (As part of Pakistan National Alliance): 36

• 1988 Election
Seats won (as part of Islami Jamhoori Ittihad) 56

• 1990 Election
Seats won: (as part of Islami Jamhoori Ittihad 106
Became part of the PML-led government. Quit in 1992.

• 1993 Election
Seats won: 3

• 1997 Election
Boycotted.

• 2002 Election
Seats won (As part of Muttahida Majlis Amal): 63
Formed governments in NWFP and Balochistan.

Leading members of the MMA (2002).
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• 2008 Election
Boycott

Areas of Electoral Influence: Parts of Karachi (Sindh); Parts of KP.

Ideological Orientation
Fundamentalist (1947 – ).

Views on religion:
Fundamentalist, even though the party has often expressed it through intellectual means and propaganda.

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[ICON]

According to my assessment PTI will not obtain more than 40 seats in National Assembly due to the presence of feudalism in our country . Educated , literate .sophisticated , rational people will cast their votes in favour of this party but the less priveleged people will be forced to cast votes in favour of their landlord otherwise they have to face dire consequences

 

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[MENTION=6068]Ottoman[/MENTION]

Excellent work mate. UPDATED

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[yousaf465]

dosent matter what this PPPs or PTIs or what ever crap as in today's scene when i saw those kids in blood i am done with all these politics crap and it is not first time , as you guyz are permanent resident of this city so you may ask about your parents that what happen in 90s era because what i heard from people here its like this city always filled in blood , reason could be any , but innocent people die eventually .

ohh well i already submit 3 days leave in office for election days and will go to my relative in interior sindh , as its better to enjoy the show from there (sm1)

duing a surgery you will see a lot of blood, same was the case in 90s, only if they down it the right way.

 

[Ottoman]

Think before you vote for the MQM. You are doing your city and country a great disservice by voting for a party that firmly believes in coercion and violence.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=372149946226670&set=vb.114599128655071&type=2&theater

You don't get a chance to vote for someone everyday. Make the most of it and if you take my advise, smash the status quo out of the park for once.

 

[SEvolution]

duing a surgery you will see a lot of blood, same was the case in 90s, only if they down it the right way.

Kerdi na chamat wali baat.

 

[omarko]

No place for Ahmadis in Imran Khan’s Naya Pakistan – The Express Tribune Blog

PTI has no place for Ahmedi's in their Naya Pakistan.
Lo bhai, there goes my vote.

Naya Pakistan sounds like a new Iran or Afghanistan or something.

 

[Ottoman]

^Did you even read the article/blog? :lol:

 

[yousaf465]

Think before you vote for the MQM. You are doing your city and country a great disservice by voting for a party that firmly believes in coercion and violence.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=372149946226670&set=vb.114599128655071&type=2&theater

You don't get a chance to vote for someone everyday. Make the most of it and if you take my advise, smash the status quo out of the park for once.

X2 only way to stop these thugs is by standing up, they can't kill each and everybody in a polling station. If nobody will vote for them, they can't do anything.

MQM out of assembly is like fish out of water they will die within days.

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No place for Ahmadis in Imran Khan’s Naya Pakistan – The Express Tribune Blog

PTI has no place for Ahmedi's in their Naya Pakistan.
Lo bhai, there goes my vote.

Naya Pakistan sounds like a new Iran or Afghanistan or something.

Express tribune or as it call it Propaganda arm funded by American people for their "Pakistani Brothers"

Not revising the Law =/= call for Violence.

 

[hasanJ]

Think before you vote for the MQM. You are doing your city and country a great disservice by voting for a party that firmly believes in coercion and violence.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=372149946226670&set=vb.114599128655071&type=2&theater

You don't get a chance to vote for someone everyday. Make the most of it and if you take my advise, smash the status quo out of the park for once.

The Abuses will lead to ban is clear cut Lying or maybe she is talking about Lyari Town or is a Jamat Supporter

MQM's method of Jali Voting is simple
They cast the votes of ppl who have passed away and i believe this method is employed in many places in Pakistan

 

[saad07]

Re: -|- Elections 2013 -|- Who are you going to vote for?

Yup MQM completely rigs the elections of Karachi.
Maybe this bombing is to scare the people into not voting in the elections?

 

[SEvolution]

The Abuses will lead to ban is clear cut Lying or maybe she is talking about Lyari Town or is a Jamat Supporter

MQM's method of Jali Voting is simple
They cast the votes of ppl who have passed away and i believe this method is employed in many places in Pakistan

MQM k khilaaf kuch bhi and they are ready to believe whatever you throw at them.

and they say hum Karachi walo se behtar jantay hain Karachi ko (lmao)

Kaunsi party nahi kerti rigging? aur PAC ager rigging ker k ajaye woh behtar hai k MQM?