Chem on mondayy!!

SilverDrag

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Boys all i can say that monday ko i have both chem and m1 as level obviously to i guess FUCK scene AWNNN! :(

haha
on a more serious note hows prep going guys.. i mean how much are you getting out of 60 in chem???
 

Shary Bhallu TC

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Chem preparation is going extremely well, and so is Mechanics.

To be honest, I thought I'd get a B max in Mathematics (P1 + M1), but for now, things are looking exceptionally well, and if I perform the way I am doing nowadays by solving past papers, I think I can inshallah ace this test. Chemistry is only troubling me in Period 3 reactions and some latter part of Organic Chemistry, which after revising, would be all well and good.

There are some things though which are seriously troubling me.

Chemistry: Some Kc and some Kp questions. Some Delta Hc and Delta Hf questions. The reactions of Ethene with cold and hot KMnO4. Reactions of organic stuff with Na and NaOH. Acyl Chlorides part is also troubling me a bit.
Mechanics: Those dumbass questions which look extremely difficult on paper but are extremely easy to perform (Newton's Third Law). I have fully grasped the concept of Tension though, and will inshallah try and perform all 7 questions.

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I am constantly getting around 88 to 94% in Chemistry and around 85 to 88% in Mechanics. (only make a few mistakes like fail to see vertical component while doing a Coefficient of Friction question resulting in slightly off value.).
 

SilverDrag

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btw wasnt p1 very messed up this time?? it isnt meant to be this hard... the papers kept gettting harder from 2006 onwards wtf!!! but chalo percentile will save us i hope :p

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brrrrooooooooooooooo acyl chlorides is not in the syllabus!!!! kya kar rahay ho syllabus to parh looo!
 

Shary Bhallu TC

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Papers of M1 got hard from 2008 onwards.

Acyl Chlorides are not in the syllabus? :S!!?!?!?! WTF. :eek: Damn, then this Chemistry really is extremely easy. :eek: But I distinctly remember my teacher telling us about it and how it reacts with something etc. For now I am going to solve some more M1.
 

SilverDrag

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find the syllabus from cie or something and see it acyl chlorides shall be in bold meaning that it is an a2 topic and is not included in the as level syllabus
 

Hasnain3958

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a thread is already there

then why create another :/

btw m1 is going smooth but i have chem p5 on monday as well and havent started it as yet

do solve w.10 variants of m1 . it contains some tricky questions
 

Shary Bhallu TC

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W10 variants all done :D Those were easy. There is one tricky question in W08 QP4. Solved it just now, only that question gave me a problem. Damn man, Mechanics is kinda fun once you get the hang of it.

A list of items I am extremely slightly doubtful about in Chemistry:

Spoiler: show
*describe the number and relative energies of the s, p and d orbitals for the

principalquantum numbers 1, 2 and 3 and also the 4s and 4p orbitals.

*describe the shapes of s and p orbitals

explain and use the term ionisation energ


(i) The shapes of simple molecules

*explain the shapes of, and bond angles in, molecules by using the

qualitative model of
electron-pair repulsion (including lone pairs), using as simple examples: BF3

(trigonal);
CO2 (linear); CH4 (tetrahedral); NH3 (pyramidal); H2O (non-linear); SF6

(octahedral)

*describe covalent bonding in terms of orbital overlap, giving σ and π bonds

(e) *explain the shape of, and bond angles in, the ethane, ethene and benzene

molecules in
terms of σ and π bonds (see also Section 10.1)

state the basic assumptions of the kinetic theory as applied to an ideal gas
the conditions necessary for a gas to approach ideal behaviour
(ii) the limitations of ideality at very high pressures and very low

temperatures

Define
I Enthalpy changes: ∆H of formation, combustion, hydration, solution,

neutralisation and
atomisation; bond energy; lattice energy; electron affinit

construct and interpret a reaction pathway diagram, in terms of the enthalpy

change of the
reaction and of the activation energy (see Section 8)

*state Le Chatelier’s Principle

deduce expressions for equilibrium constants in terms of partial
pressures, Kp

show understanding of, and use the Brønsted-Lowry theory of acids and bases

*show understanding, including reference to the Boltzmann distribution

) interpret this catalytic effect in terms of the Boltzmann distribution

describe the reactions, if any, of the elements with oxygen (to give Na2O;

MgO; Al2O3;
P4O10; SO2; SO3), chlorine (to give NaCl; MgCl2; Al2Cl6; SiCl4; PCl5), and

water (Na and Mg
only)

describe the thermal decomposition of the GROUP II nitrates and carbonate

describe and explain the relative thermal stabilities of the GROUP VII

hydride

describe and explain the reactions of halide ions with
(i) aqueous silver ions followed by aqueous ammonia
(ii) concentrated sulfuric acid

describe and interpret in terms of changes of oxidation number the reaction of chlorine with
cold, and with hot, aqueous sodium hydroxide

Explain Flu Gas desulphurization


 
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SilverDrag

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lolm i just did tht paper could you please tell me which question you found hard? and btw listen nov 08 m1 q2 part ii


fmax is 63n sooo mgsin10 should be in favour of pulling the block down

so shouldnt min force required be 63 - mgsin10 as opposed to the marking scheme which says 63+mgsin10?????
 

Shary Bhallu TC

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Can't say.

(More compiled list continued from last page):

Spoiler: show
*describe the number and relative energies of the s, p and d orbitals for the principal quantum numbers 1, 2 and 3 and also the 4s and 4p orbitals.

*describe the shapes of s and p orbitals

explain and use the term ionisation energy (energy required to remove outermost electron to infinity in gas phase).

(i) The shapes of simple molecules

*explain the shapes of, and bond angles in, molecules by using the qualitative model of electron-pair repulsion (including lone pairs), using as simple examples: BF3 (trigonal); CO2 (linear); CH4 (tetrahedral); NH3 (pyramidal); H2O (non-linear); SF6 (octahedral)

*describe covalent bonding in terms of orbital overlap, giving σ and π bonds

(e) *explain the shape of, and bond angles in, the ethane (edit: they are 109.5), ethene ( edit: 122 HC=C and 117 HCH) and benzene (edit: 120 degrees each).molecules in terms of σ and π bonds (see also Section 10.1)

state the basic assumptions of the kinetic theory as applied to an ideal gas the conditions necessary for a gas to approach ideal behaviour (deviates from Ideal behavior due to high pressure, low temperature leading to molecules turning into liquid, molecules are heavy, molecules are attractive)

Define
I Enthalpy changes: ∆H of formation, combustion, hydration, solution, neutralisation and atomisation; bond energy; lattice energy; electron affinity.

construct and interpret a reaction pathway diagram, in terms of the enthalpy change of the reaction and of the activation energy (see Section 8)

*state Le Chatelier’s Principle (the principle that if any change is imposed on a system that is in equilibrium then the system tends to adjust to a new equilibrium counteracting the change).

deduce expressions for equilibrium constants in terms of partial pressures, Kp (http://www.chemguide.co.uk/physical/equilibria/kp.html)

show understanding of, and use the Brønsted-Lowry theory of acids and bases (proton donator is acid, proton acceptor is base).

*show understanding, including reference to the Boltzmann distribution

interpret this catalytic effect in terms of the Boltzmann distribution

describe the reactions, if any, of the elements with oxygen (to give Na2O; MgO; Al2O3; P4O10; SO2; SO3), chlorine (to give NaCl; MgCl2; Al2Cl6; SiCl4; PCl5), and water (Na and Mg only)

describe the thermal decomposition of the GROUP II nitrates and carbonate

describe and explain the relative thermal stabilities of the GROUP VII hydride

describe and explain the reactions of halide ions with
(i) aqueous silver ions followed by aqueous ammonia
(ii) concentrated sulfuric acid

describe and interpret in terms of changes of oxidation number the reaction of chlorine with cold, and with hot, aqueous sodium hydroxide (Cold: NaOH + NaOCl), (Hot: NaCL + NaClO3)

Explain Flu Gas desulphurization (Use of Calcium Carbonate to form Calcium Sulphite + CO2)

*describe the mechanism of free-radical substitution at methyl groups with particular reference to the initiation, propagation and termination reactions

describe the chemistry of alkenes as exemplified, where relevant, by the following reactions of ethene:
(i) *addition of hydrogen, steam, hydrogen halides and halogens
(ii) *oxidation by cold, dilute, acidified manganate(VII) ions to form the diol
(iii) oxidation by hot, concentrated, acidified manganate(VII) ions leading to the rupture of the carbon-to-carbon double bond

in order to determine the position of alkene linkages in larger molecules the following nucleophilic substitution reactions of bromoethane: hydrolysis; formation of nitriles; formation of primary amines by reaction with ammonia

(ii) the elimination of hydrogen bromide from 2-bromopropane

Reaction of Alcohols with Sodium

Describe the reduction of aldehydes and ketones e.g. using NaBH4

describe the use of 2,4-dinitrophenylhydrazine (2,4-DNPH) reagent to detect the presence of carbonyl compounds

describe the formation of carboxylic acids from alcohols, aldehydes and nitriles
 
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Shary Bhallu TC

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Yup they are. I just solved another Mechanics paper and for the first time in my life I got 48 out of 50 in it lol! :D Things are looking good. I hope that an extremely difficult question like the AP + Circular Measure question that came in P1 don't come in this paper :) Rest would be inshallah okay.
 

Multipaki

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Chem preparation is going extremely well, and so is Mechanics.

To be honest, I thought I'd get a B max in Mathematics (P1 + M1), but for now, things are looking exceptionally well, and if I perform the way I am doing nowadays by solving past papers, I think I can inshallah ace this test. Chemistry is only troubling me in Period 3 reactions and some latter part of Organic Chemistry, which after revising, would be all well and good.

There are some things though which are seriously troubling me.

Chemistry: Some Kc and some Kp questions. Some Delta Hc and Delta Hf questions. The reactions of Ethene with cold and hot KMnO4. Reactions of organic stuff with Na and NaOH. Acyl Chlorides part is also troubling me a bit.
Mechanics: Those dumbass questions which look extremely difficult on paper but are extremely easy to perform (Newton's Third Law). I have fully grasped the concept of Tension though, and will inshallah try and perform all 7 questions.

__

I am constantly getting around 88 to 94% in Chemistry and around 85 to 88% in Mechanics. (only make a few mistakes like fail to see vertical component while doing a Coefficient of Friction question resulting in slightly off value.).
omg sherry stop writing speeches and go study!!
 

wfsoomro

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Those were dark days man when I was studying Chem in my 2nd year intermediate! Thank GOd those days are gone in the past :p
 

WajieRaja

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lolm i just did tht paper could you please tell me which question you found hard? and btw listen nov 08 m1 q2 part ii


fmax is 63n sooo mgsin10 should be in favour of pulling the block down

so shouldnt min force required be 63 - mgsin10 as opposed to the marking scheme which says 63+mgsin10?????
I solved this paper last night at 2 am, and did it WHILE texting in an hour, got full marks...:D
 
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