Azadi march lookout thread - PTI calls off dharna

[Ottoman]

As PTI has been against NS in past month, saying and doing anything they can to defame NS as PM. I would say PTI is perfectly capable of same propaganda and has links in UN to do such an act. It's propaganda by IK against NS to show he is King of Pakistan. I am not saying they did, but they could have. This is exactly same statement from PTI about rigging. IK always says rigging has caused him to loose, "because he thinks so".

Errrrr......talk about apples and oranges. You're the first person I've come across who compares facts with self-created conspiracy theories. lol

 

[AlienX]

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[opethian]

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As PTI has been against NS in past month, saying and doing anything they can to defame NS as PM. I would say PTI is perfectly capable of same propaganda and has links in UN to do such an act. It's propaganda by IK against NS to show he is King of Pakistan. I am not saying they did, but they could have. This is exactly same statement from PTI about rigging. IK always says rigging has caused him to loose, "because he thinks so".

I know all of you PTI supporters are going to bash and quote this post with long essays and countless arguments, linking to various sources and basically doing everything you can to argue on this.

Let me ask you this, if you can write long essays against NS in "Forum Threads", present countless arguments, say anything you wish without any proof. Why can't someone criticize PTI and IK. Have IK landed from heaven as nation's savior ?

Writing long essays, supporting IK is not enough to bring change. Fighting with your family of your political choices, fighting for Naya Pakistan in forum threads, fighting for PM's resignation, fighting against corruption. It's not enough. Bring change in yourself.

After 100s of hours of discussion, I counted at least three cars with PTI stickers, breaking traffic signals, they are allowed I guess !?

we were not born when bhutto was rising, im sure u would have declared him an enemy of state back then! A man despite his controversial past, gave a broken pakistan an identity, i still respect him for that n many people still vote zardari n bilawal for same history. So bro i suggest get ur facts straight, asking for basic human rights and raising voice against a corrupt politician is not a crime! A man who was convicted 2 times in past n was thrown out for same corruption, how can u make me believe he has become nobel this time even when we have facts n figures on loans and recent inflation in just one year n his problem solving "technique"
how u will jusge Nawaz Sharif? leme guess "who tou hai he corrupt" lol
N bro if today we start getting our basic rights, who will support IK? think!!!
ur watching this whole scene from a pin hole in a black box! U dont support any political figure n yet u dont raise ur voice against any injustice then what are u? read what hazrat Ali RA said about such people!

"Jo zulum tou sehta hai, baghawat nahe karta"​

 

[AlienX]

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[Ottoman]

As usual (and typical PTI supporter) you are quoting my post in bits a pieces, read it again please as a whole. Get the idea and find the dry humor in the form of sarcasm.

See this is the problem I always point out. PTI supporters are so quick in responding to anything against IK or PTI that they completely ignore the context. Often taking figure of speech in literal terms.

What? The rest of your post was a rant against PTI supporters writing long essays and breaking traffic signals. Might as well blame them for the Holocaust and Hiroshima bomb while you're at it.

Your conspiracy theories are funny though and I must give you credit there. They make me laugh out loud (lol).

 

[opethian]

@AlienX hahaha i just saw how u quoted my post and then responded to it, so @Ottoman post now makes perfect sense!
Kamal hai bhai, i never thought u would comeup with such "sarcasm" n "dry humor" :salute::salute::salute: x 7 = 21 toppon ki salami
comeon get over it, u cant protect ur elected His Highness prime minister with ur sarcastic dry humor

 

[AlienX]

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[opethian]

I am usually more in favor of a concept than personality. I always use IK or NS as example, how their actions are changing the very fabric of perception about Pakistan in nation's mind.

I have never been in favor of personal attacks anyway. Everything is fine, but when IK makes it personal and loose the ethical ground, that's where I start having problems with him. You see, you can't force someone to agree with you. It's very good campaign against corrupt system but targeting NS as only soul responsible is not just.

Thats why i say, Neutrals r IRRELEVANT!!!!
because ur logic is same as opposition party's politicians in Parliament!
"NS ur corrupt, shameless and u got power through rigging, but we support u"
when u have nothing at stake, why come into such fight?
Ur just like a PC enthusiast who is posting in a debate of "PS4 vs Xbox One"
now i couldnt have been more simpler than this

 

[Ottoman]

:salute::salute::salute: x 9 = 21 toppon ki salami

lol citizen of Opeth at least do the math right. Otherwise PTI and its dharna would be blamed for crippling the arithmetic ability of its supporters :lol:

 

[opethian]

lol citizen of Opeth at least do the math right. Otherwise PTI and its dharna would be blamed for crippling the arithmetic ability of its supporters :lol:

nah im Neutral

 

[AlienX]

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[opethian]

Who says I am protecting PM. Mera koi mamay da putr hai ? . Common man, don't be so rigid.

so u have problems with NS, so what ur doing about it?

 

[opethian]

this guy has literally answered every goon and noon and Neutrals!
This is Pakistan, agar is qaum ko sedha karna hai tou IK needs to have a complete team and with a man who knows how to use every man n when to use him!
and yes before some goon n neutral say something
"Ye bhe aik Yahoodi sazish hai"

This is video is directly from the page of this guy, u can see his cab company details online n if some goon didnt like his words, he can always go and shuts his business down for "How dare he spoke against corrupt people"

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=844784478885851

His cab company
http://www.sudburycab.com/

 

[hatim]

Not looted, but wasted in the form of loss of investment in last 2 months, financially crippling (Or at least trying to) the system through 'Civil Disobedience".

On the one hand, PML-N supporters say even Imran Khan has paid his bill. On the other they claim all losses have been incurred by "Civil Disobedience

Caused security risks by raiding PM house,

When was the PM house raided? Stop lying.

which cause China President to cancel his visit,

There was no trip planned according to the Chinese foreign office. Another lie.

India got deals instead.

Slippery slope. That India got deals that Pakistan was supposed to get is not only a lie but it's also a stupid assumption. you believe that all deals are made based on visits of foreign dignitaries. The fact is, foreign investment is based on much research as well as talks on all levels. Heads of states visit only as a formality. If someone thinks that Dharnas caused the Chinese to give money that was intended to be invested in Pakistan to India, then I believe he is either a propagandist or mentally challenged.

General environment of uncertainty in the country causing investors to flee.

Fair enough. But corruption is a far bigger factor for lack of investment. What do you have to say about this: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...=TJkLu_Dg2XApVI_NT5Barw&bvm=bv.76247554,d.ZGU Who will trust the government when news articles like these are printed weekly?

Openly challenging Supreme courts over Iftikhar Choudry case.

That was wrong (even though I believe IC was as corrupt as a chief justice can be). What about the government's refusal to listen to court orders including release of detained political workers?

Violating constitution multiple times.

Can you give me one example with proof where the constitution was violated? The N-leaguers have been conducting propaganda by saying even demand of PM's resignation is unconstitutional. That is another lie.

Still not even sure about their resignations, where they are afraid if individually asked, many members will forfeit the resignation campaign.

They are not required legally or constitutionally to appear individually. It's your assumption that members will forfeit their resignation campaign. I believe it's more likely a fear of the speaker for later maligning them by lying about their intentions. If the PM and interior minister could lie to the Parliament, what is stopping the speaker?

No, not looted a single paisa, but succeeded in damaging Pakistan reputation by proving it to be a banana republic. Dancing while flood victims suffer. Fled from government duties from KPK. Let alone asking PM to resign on ethical ground.

The KPK government is actually doing very well. You could tell from Marvi Memon's white paper based on basic fallacies that the N-leaguers don't have any concrete evidence to discredit KPK's performance. For example, she compares absolute figures between the tax collection in KPK and Punjab despite the vast difference in population, GDP and previous tax collection. The tax collection in KPK increased by 216% in the last 15 months. She is portraying this big achievement as a failure. How desperate can one get?

However his cause is just, he has risen up against corrupt system, he wants PM to resign, while refusing to justify his own actions.

IK is same as NS if not better. Just wait till PTI gets the government, and they will be exactly the same as previous ones.

Those are your conclusions based on the above assumptions that I, at my pleasure, have threaded to pieces.

 

[opethian]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152568776262418

yes i hate this party which this man created, it also disgusts me that he was a brain child of Iskander Mirza, the most heinous and corrupt man in Pakistan's history, but some times
"Some times, the people with worst past, creat best future - Hazrat Umar Ibn Al Khatab (R.A)"

And he was such a man who had worst past but a little bit more conscious than NS!



Going out to all N people (Neutrals: 50% of Pakistan population and 28% of Noon Goons)

 

[opethian]

A word of wisdom, Chinese r not goons, they have eyes and ears, why would they give their money to a man who has a questionable past? So many people r blaming IK for loosing chinese investment hahaha like @hatim said, such investments r not made over night, its not buying from PG Market section that if one guy doesnt buy, we sell it to the next bidder! China has been carryingout their field survey since last year, they did complete survey from Lahore till Karachi for motorway, n there r gazillion more projects, few of them r already under way like KKH etc, only motorway project is facing stiff resistance from china because their estimates dont match with govt's bid! So how can china invest his money under corrupt NS?
one more thing, these all so called $30 billion + investment is based on "Build operate and transfer"
China will build, then they will operate it n get the toll tax n other earnings n then after 9 to 10 years, will transfer it to Pakistan! So @AlienX plz dont mourn those billions, they were never ours n will never be! China needs an economic corridor to reach hot waters n Nawaz govt has not only failed to provide china a secured corridor but also the reputation is not gud! Zardari had to go and beg chinese not to cancel their deal, but they did! So plz dont blame every thing on IK lol
"jub apni murghi he kharab ho tou wo dosron kay ghar anda day ge"

get its pure punjabi version from someone

 

[hasanJ]

Caused security risks by raiding PM house,

Only the fence of Parliament house was broken far away from the parliament itself and not even close to the PM House

PMLN during PPP's last government protested infront of Parliament and President House and even going as far as scaling the gates of President House itself
It was not a security threat then and its not a security threat now as the buildings themselves are protected by the Army

which cause China President to cancel his visit, India got deals instead.

China already made it clear there was no planned visit

General environment of uncertainty in the country causing investors to flee.

Environment of uncertainty has been around since PPP's government and will remain until these badshah families are wiped out from the country

Violating constitution multiple times.

Point out exactly what IK did that violates the constitution

NS and Nisar openly lied in Parliament which is a violation of the Constitution and grounds for dismissal from National Assembly
Information Minister claimed 70k votes per Constituency cannot be verified meaning a rigged and misconducted election is a violation of the Constitution

No, not looted a single paisa, but succeeded in damaging Pakistan reputation by proving it to be a banana republic. Dancing while flood victims suffer.

Flood victims suffer because of Governments inability to prevent it
Nearly 7 years in Punjab Government and still year after year flood wipes out entire villages and settlements

The pathetic gunja was praising India and wants renewed relationship with them
Talk about licking the balls of someone who just wiped out half of Punjab -_-

Sharam phir bhi nahi ati

Fled from government duties from KPK. Let alone asking PM to resign on ethical ground.

Members from KPK have already shed light on their performance in the province

IK is same as NS if not better. Just wait till PTI gets the government, and they will be exactly the same as previous ones.

Based on what fact?
The fact that both IK and NS have been Prime Minister 3 times and have looted the country blind?
The fact that both IK and NS have attacked the Supreme Court of Pakistan with their goons?
The fact that both IK and NS are responsible for the 1999 Military Coup where both of them masterminded the most stupid braindead plot of preventing the Army Chief of the Country to land and divert his flight away from the country just so they can promote their chosen jiyala to the post?
The fact that both IK and NS sat quietly in Friendly Opposition while PPP/Zardari looted the country?
The fact that both IK and NS have billions of Rs invested outside the country?
The fact that both IK and NS spent in a 20 days trip 400,000$ which is ofcourse the yearly salary of the President of USA?
The fact that both IK and NS pay a total of Rs 5000 income tax?

 

[opethian]

Okay guys let's move on!
Our jangala bus is better than Gravity or Indian space program so end of discussion
Long live the king, go nawaz go!

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[Gizmo]

@hasanj..... TL;DR?

 

[hatim]

Yes, and you have succeeded in making your point. What is there to be confused about ?

As I said, why do you still support status quo? It's simply beyond my understanding.