Air Intake (unboxing, installation)

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umm guys, how much does it cost to get a cold air intake ? as asked before for my car which brand etc

Anything from 1k to 10k or more depending on chinese or branded. Imo they are useless u only feel extra power because u know that u spent some cash and installed an air intake. Save ur money.




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[Ali Man]

Anything from 1k to 10k or more depending on chinese or branded. Imo they are useless u only feel extra power because u know that u spent some cash and installed an air intake. Save ur money.




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That's an overstatement. No normal air-intake comes for 10K unless it's a fleeced price. Carbon fiber ones of different company's is a different case.

umm guys, how much does it cost to get a cold air intake ? as asked before for my car which brand etc

As I said before man, the budget for these intakes is till about 5K. In this you should get everything, including the big steel intake pipe and specially the air filter. Mind you that people fleece over this sport air-filter as they'll say stuff like 'you can't find this anywhere in the market' and bla bla. Ask waqas (Thelivingflesh) to help you out on this (if you're serious) as he's the best guy for the job. You basically wanna make your car stage 1 ready. And all this stuff can only be done if your ride is strictly on petrol. Pouring high-octane is rather useless for such engines.

 

[grimr3aper]

Google the term 'lean mixture' before quoting me again. And it's by AEM.

Hahahahaha dude, we were just having a conversation. No need to get all worked up bro. It's always good to talk to another petrol head no? And I honestly have studied all of these things so I don't really need to google it. But let's go beyond this argument. What are your plans for later mods?

 

[Ali Man]

Hahahahaha dude, we were just having a conversation. No need to get all worked up bro. It's always good to talk to another petrol head no? And I honestly have studied all of these things so I don't really need to google it. But let's go beyond this argument. What are your plans for later mods?

Nigga, just don't insult my intelligence in this filed, lawl

No exact plans man, I mean, I haven't exactly thought of any yet. Any ideas which may not include that much dough?

 

[grimr3aper]

Nigga, just don't insult my intelligence in this filed, lawl

No exact plans man, I mean, I haven't exactly thought of any yet. Any ideas which may not include that much dough?

Hahahahah sir yes sir. Anyways, what exactly do you want to go for? More power?

 

[Journeys End]

but isn't the increased air intake = more fuel consumption?i remember my neighbor doing a similar mod to his ride except he also changed the header+exhaust pipe and his civic was gulping petrol like a SUV.the power increase was also non-existent on low RPMs.abt an year ago i had similar plans for my 1.3 Vitz but after looking at my neighbor, i immediately dropped the idea.

 

[grimr3aper]

but isn't the increased air intake = more fuel consumption?i remember my neighbor doing a similar mod to his ride except he also changed the header+exhaust pipe and his civic was gulping petrol like a SUV.the power increase was also non-existent on low RPMs.abt an year ago i had similar plans for my 1.3 Vitz but after looking at my neighbor, i immediately dropped the idea.

I guess he didn't tune the thing properly. More air does not mean more fuel consumption. And if he didn't see any substantial gain in power then the excessive fuel consumption just points at poor tuning. Or the other explanation is that the power or torque gains were in the high rev range, which means that although he did get em', they weren't visible in the lower revs. Anyways, extracting more power out of an engine is not a simple plug-and-play matter. It is actually a science. I would still sugesst that you go for it. Especially a proper exhaust system would greatly reduce the load on your car's engine, and in turn, increase the power output because it would significantly reduce the back pressure experienced.

 

[manigamer]

That's an overstatement. No normal air-intake comes for 10K unless it's a fleeced price. Carbon fiber ones of different company's is a different case.



As I said before man, the budget for these intakes is till about 5K. In this you should get everything, including the big steel intake pipe and specially the air filter. Mind you that people fleece over this sport air-filter as they'll say stuff like 'you can't find this anywhere in the market' and bla bla. Ask waqas (Thelivingflesh) to help you out on this (if you're serious) as he's the best guy for the job. You basically wanna make your car stage 1 ready. And all this stuff can only be done if your ride is strictly on petrol. Pouring high-octane is rather useless for such engines.

hmm, alright kewl thanks and yes my cars on petrol from the get go, never installed CNG etc ever. 2000 model 68K KM till yet

 

[Journeys End]

I guess he didn't tune the thing properly. More air does not mean more fuel consumption. And if he didn't see any substantial gain in power then the excessive fuel consumption just points at poor tuning. Or the other explanation is that the power or torque gains were in the high rev range, which means that although he did get em', they weren't visible in the lower revs. Anyways, extracting more power out of an engine is not a simple plug-and-play matter. It is actually a science. I would still sugesst that you go for it. Especially a proper exhaust system would greatly reduce the load on your car's engine, and in turn, increase the power output because it would significantly reduce the back pressure experienced.

yeah maybe something was wrong with the tuning but the car had considerable power boost in higher revs...anyway i m more concerned abt the sound of my car.i dont want it to change and intake plays a part in it so thats also one of the reasons why i left the idea.

 

[Ali Man]

Hahahahah sir yes sir. Anyways, what exactly do you want to go for? More power?

Well I can't see how I can achieve that with keeping the same fuel economy. But if you got any idea, then I'm all ears.

 

[XauthoritY]

The fuel burns with respect to the amount of air in the combustion chamber. E.g. with the same amount of fuel but less air would produce less power, but more air would produce more power. You're wrong with the fact that more air leads to a lean mixture. Lean mixture is basically when 'less fuel' is burnt, regardless of that fact of how much air is there. And only turbo charged/supercharged rides really need more fuel to be injected when the turbo spools and not necessarily or exactly when you install an air intake, because in the end, the throttle body is still sucking the air on it's own, unlike a turbo which is giving air to the engine at an excessively high rate.



That was merely just an explanation of an example.

Hello , im a pilot, and ive studied abt the aircraft engines. They work the same as car engines. You use the throttle on aircraft to control the fuel input. During take off we usually use full throttle and the rpm is dependent on it, which means maximum fuel input, therefore making the fuel air ratio RICH. More fuel more power. On landing, or descending to altitude. We have to LEAN the mixture, and pull the throttle back. Which means the ratio of air is more then fuel.

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or maybe its different case for car engines. but im just telling what i know

 

[abdullah11]

Most stock air boxes and filters have quite a bit air restriction when the intake manifold sucks in the air. To achieve the maximum power from your engine, it basically needs a good amount of airflow. But not that only, the air has to be cool as cold air is denser than hot air, so more of it can be packed in the combustion chamber, which then would give you more power with the same amount of throttle response.

Turbo's also do the exact same thing, except that the air pressure is really high, so it's measured in PSI. The only difference why a turbo charged ride drinks more fuel is because firstly, it's run by the exhaust gases, which does put a little load on the engine, but mostly it's because at that rate of air flow, larger injectors which are usually pre-installed, now spray more fuel into the engine, making it burn more fuel. MAF/MAP sensors can only measure a certain amount of air flow, specially MAF sensors, till a certain extent as the speed of air that a turbo gives an engine just throws it off it's values, making it usually run richer or in other words throw 'black smoke' from the tail pipe.

You guys must have seen vids where a really high powered Supra or Evo throws black smoke down the tail pipe, usually at launch. Well it's the same reason that proper air/fuel ratio within the combustion chamber cannot be attained as the air is just too fast for sensors to give a proper value. O2 sensors come in handy in such situations, but they only work once the engine is a bit warm and they don't give precise readings.

I've installed intake, took me a while, but take some pics tomorrow morning.

oh my gawd so much knowledge from where
btw :wink2::wink2::wink2::wink2:

 

[Ali Man]

So after intalling the air intake, I've felt my ride being very responsive. The acceleration has really improved and it basically feels much better driving now.

Hello , im a pilot, and ive studied abt the aircraft engines. They work the same as car engines. You use the throttle on aircraft to control the fuel input. During take off we usually use full throttle and the rpm is dependent on it, which means maximum fuel input, therefore making the fuel air ratio RICH. More fuel more power. On landing, or descending to altitude. We have to LEAN the mixture, and pull the throttle back. Which means the ratio of air is more then fuel.

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or maybe its different case for car engines. but im just telling what i know

Well that's good to know man.

oh my gawd so much knowledge from where
btw :wink2::wink2::wink2::wink2:

All in good time nigga.

 

[grimr3aper]

Well I can't see how I can achieve that with keeping the same fuel economy. But if you got any idea, then I'm all ears.

Ummm...gimme the make and model of your car. I'd definitely look into it

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Hello , im a pilot, and ive studied abt the aircraft engines. They work the same as car engines. You use the throttle on aircraft to control the fuel input. During take off we usually use full throttle and the rpm is dependent on it, which means maximum fuel input, therefore making the fuel air ratio RICH. More fuel more power. On landing, or descending to altitude. We have to LEAN the mixture, and pull the throttle back. Which means the ratio of air is more then fuel.

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or maybe its different case for car engines. but im just telling what i know

Ummm, see the thing is that air crafts generally use turbine engines ( assuming you don't fly a prop jet). The thing is, turbine engines work on the Brayton cycle, whereas, an automobile engine works on the Carnot cycle. So, basically, both engines although working on the same broad principle, work in different ways. I don't feel like typing a long post explaining the key differences mate Btw, which planes do you fly?

 

[XauthoritY]

Ummm...gimme the make and model of your car. I'd definitely look into it

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Ummm, see the thing is that air crafts generally use turbine engines ( assuming you don't fly a prop jet). The thing is, turbine engines work on the Brayton cycle, whereas, an automobile engine works on the Carnot cycle. So, basically, both engines also working on the same broad principle, work in different ways. I don't feel like typing a long post explaining the key differences mate Btw, which planes do you fly?

Yes thanx to this post, made a little research and got to know more.Nope dont fly those prop jets yet, Insh Allah in future. I Fly Cessna 150 , 152 , 172. Theres a new aircraft coming Rally 105, might get rating on that.

 

[grimr3aper]

Yes thanx to this post, made a little research and got to know more.Nope dont fly those prop jets yet, Insh Allah in future. I Fly Cessna 150 , 152 , 172. Theres a new aircraft coming Rally 105, might get rating on that.

That's pretty awesome man. I got into aircrafts big time after watching top gun as a kid hahahahha. But I'm more into the whole technical side of the planes. I think one of the reason for that could be the fact that I don't actually know how to fly a plane hahahhahaahah

 

[XauthoritY]

That's pretty awesome man. I got into aircrafts big time after watching top gun as a kid hahahahha. But I'm more into the whole technical side of the planes. I think one of the reason for that could be the fact that I don't actually know how to fly a plane hahahhahaahah

well you get to learn about technical sides when learning to fly. Flying is easy, but once something goes wrong. its much much much worse then u can imagine. one can sh** in his pants. happend to me twice lolz. thanx god, i was ok.

other reason to get scared is , these aircrafts are 60 years old. The cessna 150 i used to fly, crashed in model town lahore killing two people.\

 

[grimr3aper]

well you get to learn about technical sides when learning to fly. Flying is easy, but once something goes wrong. its much much much worse then u can imagine. one can sh** in his pants. happend to me twice lolz. thanx god, i was ok.

other reason to get scared is , these aircrafts are 60 years old. The cessna 150 i used to fly, crashed in model town lahore killing two people.\

Damn man, I can only imagine. I studied a bit of aircraft design. I remember that even an incorrect bolt selection for the windscreen can cause absolute catastrophe. Love the turbine engines though

 

[Ali Man]

Ummm...gimme the make and model of your car. I'd definitely look into it

It's a 2007 toyota yaris.

 

[manigamer]

Yes thanx to this post, made a little research and got to know more.Nope dont fly those prop jets yet, Insh Allah in future. I Fly Cessna 150 , 152 , 172. Theres a new aircraft coming Rally 105, might get rating on that.

wait, what do u do exactly ? are u a learner pilot or something ?

edit: ok your a pilot, nice. do u fly them commercially or privately for your own self etc