thts the key point rite there
Orgrim Doomhammer did indeed beat Auduin Lothar
now we can all agree that King Varian iz ranked lower than Auduin in physical combat
Thrall defeated Orgrim Doomhammer in 1v1 Combat in Alterac Valley
Doomhammer was at tht time Warchief of the Horde and Thrall didnt even knew he was fighting DoomHammer and he wasnt even a Shaman at tht time
Thrall ~ Orgrim Doomhammer + Power over the Elements and add ORC over Human for Varian
Thrall > Orgrim Doomhammer > Auduin Lothar > Varian
u can argue on and on how Varian iz this and tht but unless u think a spoiled prince like him culd have beaten either Auduin Lother or DoomHammer has no chance vs Thrall
only once and tht ended with Garona incident
didnt even bother confronting the Horde as to whether they sent Garona or not
just assumed the worse
let see
Varian was the one doing the Warmongering after Undercity battle not Thrall even though both sides had endured loses
heres something:
King Varian Wrynn says: Tirion.
Highlord Tirion Fordring says: King Varian, Lady Jaina. Welcome to the tournament. Your place in the coliseum is waiting.
Lady Jaina Proudmoore says: Thank you. It's the least I can do to support this; we need to stand together.
King Varian Wrynn says: You ask much of me, Tirion, to sit and watch, trusting the savages to keep themselves in check.
Highlord Tirion Fordring says: Welcome, Warchief Thrall. Overlord Hellscream.
Thrall says: Thank you for the invitation, Lord Fordring. We look forward to observing these games.
everyone in the Alliance u see on Official forums claims tht Varian iz too much of a hot headed fool for trying to start war with the Horde even though the Scourge iz a much bigger threat
pata nahi tumhay ismain kya dikhta hai
yes he besieged it with an Army
but he demolished the Keep to rubble himself
taken from wowwiki
He then left Durnholde after allowing Sergeant and the surviving humans to walk away unharmed. When they were gone he called upon the Spirit of the Earth to destroy the keep, before leading his people to freedom.
When the Forsaken first asked to join the Horde, Thrall would have refused if it were not for the Earthen Ring's urgings. According to Thrall, a council of sages, known as the Earthen Ring, asked him to allow the Forsaken into the Horde. They claimed that the Forsaken battle demons that Thrall’s own race is still fighting to this day. To turn his back on the Forsaken was to forget the horrors the orc race fought for generations.[4] Members of the Earthen Ring believe that the Forsaken can be cured of the plague of undeath.
The Earthen Ring maintanes balance of Elements on Azeroth and Outland
its not a HORDE inclined faction as there r Dreanai and Broken members in this council aswell
its not like the alliance didnt brutally killed Orc women and children between the second and third war
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bottom line :
Varian was enslaved by the horde and escaped. Now, as a ruler, he hates the horde and everything it stands for.
Thrall was enslaved by the alliance and escaped. Now, as a ruler, he vies for peace and understanding between the factions.
Extract from wowwiki, outlining the events that took place after Thrall demands Blackmoore's surrender:
"....demanding that Blackmoore surrender or be killed, the master of Durnholde gave his response... by tossing the severed head of Taretha Foxton into the courtyard, screaming that this was what he would do with traitors.
Thrall screamed in rage and grief, the elements themselves echoing his fury, and he gave the command to attack. During the siege...."
He was leading his army, and called on the elements to help him. He personally tracked down and killed Blackmoore in personal combat. His army destroyed Durnholde, not Thrall alone.
Another extract, concerning Anduin Lothar and Doomhammer's conflict after Guldan betrayed Doomhammer:
"....Doomhammer was forced to fall back from the human capital of Lordaeron to his fortress at Blackrock Spire. There he fought the final battle of the Second War against the Alliance of Lordaeron, leading a charge from Blackrock Spire to clash with Anduin Lothar and his paladin guard. Human and orc battled one another in a titanic conflict that left both warriors drained, but the Warchief was able to vanquish the Regent of Azeroth. Some believe that Doomhammer did not win fairly and that Lothar was killed after being ambushed by Horde warriors...."
Doomhammer had at that time not begun to reach for his shamanistic roots, and was consumed by hatred for the alliance. All through this period, Doomhammer used any subversion available to win. It was only after the end of the second war and Doomhamer's capture and subsequent escape that he met Thrall. Also, they were equally matched, until both were tired to the point of exhaustion.
Varian's hatred of the alliance, and the reason he did not consult with the horde after Garona's ambush:
When Varian was a young boy, he saw his father murdered by the half-orc Garona who betrayed he human's of Stormwind under orders from the Horde Warchief and when the murderer of his father show's up at another meeting organized by the current Warchief, thing's look more than a little suspicious. Also, all through the evets of WCI and WCII, orc have been the aggressor's against the humans and slaughtered the Kurenai before then, wholater became the Draenai and allies of humans. Lordaron and Stormwind have weather long and bloody sieges by the horde, in which countless inoocent humans died. This has created hatred against the Horde. While the new Horde strives to differentiate itself from the old one, it still maintains much of the same old beliefs and tradations. Also, Ogrim doomhammer slew Anduin who had saved Varian as a child from Stromwind after the Horde attacked it, and was enslaved by the Orc's as a gladiator. The royal society and the wrathgate aside, Varian's aim in the Battle for undercity was to reclaim Lordaron for the Alliance, which had been a bastion of hope for the Human's fighting the Horde.
Also, Garrosh has displayed his superior fighting skill's when he challenged Thrall to single combat after the Echoes of Doom event's. Extract from wowwiki:
"....the two orcs fought for some time until it seemed Garrosh had gained the upper hand. He began to taunt Thrall, but the battle was interrupted by a Herald of the Lich King threatening Orgrimmar with destruction...."
Like I said before, Thrall is a diplomat, not a frontline fighter. Garrosh attacks Varian in the Violet Citadel with inconclusive results, befoe Rhonin freezes them both. Also, as for being a leader, the entire Alliance purports Varian to be their king, with Thrall having to face dissent from all sides. Varian is the supreme military leader of the Allianec, and has decided that the many atrocities the horde has committed have remained unanswered for too long. He leads the alliance against the horde in an attempt to bring retribution to the fallen innocent's of the alliance.
Oh, and about Arthas being a human, you seem to be forgetting who the original Lich King was. And the forsaken simply could not have gained entry into the horde with out the Warchief's approval. Also, talking about humiliating captures, Thrall was imprisoned by murloc's.
P.S. There are rumor's going around that Thrall will be the next guardian of Trisifal. I thought that was supposed to be a mage, but it kinda fits in with Thrall being a Shaman and the events in Cataclysm dealing with the elemental plane. This would leave the throne of Ogrimmar empty, with Garrosh to fill the void. Whoa, Voljin would be the sanest leader residing in Ogrimmar.
Also : Thrall was enslaved by the alliance and escaped. Now, as a ruler, he vies for peace and understanding between the factions.
Varian lost his father to the Horde, was enslaved by the horde and escaped.Returned, seemingly betrayed by the Horde, escapes again. Tries to reclaim human lands discovers atrocities against humans, Horde resists retribution. Add being enslaved as a gladiator by the Horde in between all that. Now, as a ruler, he hates the horde and everything it stands for.
