Need buying advice

[Arsalaan Nazir]

I'm not entirely sure whether this is the right section to be making this thread in but here it is (Mods can chuck it else where if this isn't the right place).

Hey guys, i'm relieving my old system and jumping on to 8th gen from 2nd gen.

My current system is a Core i5 2500K (i've never Oc'd it), MSI P67a-GD65 and Gskill ripjaws 8gb Ram.

This has served me quiet well for 6 years. I thought it was high time that i upgraded.

So what i have in mind are the following components.

1. Intel Core i5 8600k
Intel Core i5 8600K Hex Core LGA 1151-2 3.60 GHz Processor - Pakistan

2. Corsair Crystal Series 460X
Corsair Crystal Series 460X RGB Compact ATX Mid-Tower Case (CC-9011101-WW) - Pakistan

3. Gigabyte AORUS Z370 Gaming 5
Gigabyte AORUS Z370 Gaming 5 LGA 1151-2 ATX Motherboard - Pakistan

4. Corsair Vengeance® LPX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 DRAM
Corsair Vengeance(R) LPX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 DRAM 3200MHz C16 Memory Kit - Red (CMK16GX4M2B3200C16R) - Pakistan

Now some of my concerns that i really need addressed.

I have the 2500K but i've never really OC'd it. Not a fan of OC'ing but i want a fast chip, so in retrospect do i really need the 8600K or not?
Again i will not be OC'ing the chip, ever!.

Then there's the RAMS, can i get a cheaper 16gb kit or do i really need this one?

Also i'm ears to other combinations of peripherals.

Thankyou.

 

[Faizanulhaq]

I'm not entirely sure whether this is the right section to be making this thread in but here it is (Mods can chuck it else where if this isn't the right place).

Hey guys, i'm relieving my old system and jumping on to 8th gen from 2nd gen.

My current system is a Core i5 2500K (i've never Oc'd it), MSI P67a-GD65 and Gskill ripjaws 8gb Ram.

This has served me quiet well for 6 years. I thought it was high time that i upgraded.

So what i have in mind are the following components.

1. Intel Core i5 8600k
Intel Core i5 8600K Hex Core LGA 1151-2 3.60 GHz Processor - Pakistan

2. Corsair Crystal Series 460X
Corsair Crystal Series 460X RGB Compact ATX Mid-Tower Case (CC-9011101-WW) - Pakistan

3. Gigabyte AORUS Z370 Gaming 5
Gigabyte AORUS Z370 Gaming 5 LGA 1151-2 ATX Motherboard - Pakistan

4. Corsair Vengeance[emoji768] LPX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 DRAM
Corsair Vengeance(R) LPX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 DRAM 3200MHz C16 Memory Kit - Red (CMK16GX4M2B3200C16R) - Pakistan

Now some of my concerns that i really need addressed.

I have the 2500K but i've never really OC'd it. Not a fan of OC'ing but i want a fast chip, so in retrospect do i really need the 8600K or not?
Again i will not be OC'ing the chip, ever!.

Then there's the RAMS, can i get a cheaper 16gb kit or do i really need this one?

Also i'm ears to other combinations of peripherals.

Thankyou.

To be honest, an i5 8600k is around 50 percent faster than a 2500k. You were able to run the last one for quite a time, Im sure by increasing the performance by 50 percent or so, you will be able to get some years out of this one as well. Come to think of it, look at the way games are becoming more & more demanding. It will at least be a relief for you to know what your system still has ample power to run modern titles in the future
As far as the RAM is concerned, I'd go for 2400mhz ones if you can get them cheaper. Check Linus Tech Tips videos. The performance bump associated with RAMs after 2400mhz is negligible.
Happy gaming!!

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[nafu]

Moving it to the right section/sub.

As for suggestion, I think it's time for you to abandon your current setup and make a jump to intel's first true consumer's grade i5 offers 6 core, CoffeeLake. If you got enough money in hand and you wanna spend/upgrade then go for it. For intel's user, the only worthy upgrade from sandy is coffeelake atm. Considering the trend of your usage on 2500K, this would be a completely secure deal for next 6 years

 

[FuriousNinja]

I'm not entirely sure whether this is the right section to be making this thread in but here it is (Mods can chuck it else where if this isn't the right place).

Hey guys, i'm relieving my old system and jumping on to 8th gen from 2nd gen.

My current system is a Core i5 2500K (i've never Oc'd it), MSI P67a-GD65 and Gskill ripjaws 8gb Ram.

This has served me quiet well for 6 years. I thought it was high time that i upgraded.

So what i have in mind are the following components.

1. Intel Core i5 8600k
Intel Core i5 8600K Hex Core LGA 1151-2 3.60 GHz Processor - Pakistan

2. Corsair Crystal Series 460X
Corsair Crystal Series 460X RGB Compact ATX Mid-Tower Case (CC-9011101-WW) - Pakistan

3. Gigabyte AORUS Z370 Gaming 5
Gigabyte AORUS Z370 Gaming 5 LGA 1151-2 ATX Motherboard - Pakistan

4. Corsair Vengeance® LPX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 DRAM
Corsair Vengeance(R) LPX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 DRAM 3200MHz C16 Memory Kit - Red (CMK16GX4M2B3200C16R) - Pakistan

Now some of my concerns that i really need addressed.

I have the 2500K but i've never really OC'd it. Not a fan of OC'ing but i want a fast chip, so in retrospect do i really need the 8600K or not?
Again i will not be OC'ing the chip, ever!.

Then there's the RAMS, can i get a cheaper 16gb kit or do i really need this one?

Also i'm ears to other combinations of peripherals.

Thankyou.

If you are not going to overclock your processor EVER, then buying i5 8600K over i5 8400 is waste of money.

Sure, there is a difference of 1Ghz in base clock but they both turbo boost to 4Ghz (for 8400) and 4.3Ghz (for 8600K). Therefore, in demanding apps or games they'll be running at equivalent speeds so base clock doesn't matter. So 300MHz difference is negligible and they should perform fairly equal in games if 8600K isn't overclocked. If price is the matter, you can easily choose 8400 as it is value for money and 8600K is overpriced a bit.

As for ram module query, I couldn't understand in what area you are confused.

If buying new is a problem, then look PG Marketplace and you ll find quite a few of them selling ram module kits of corsair and the likes less than the market price.

If you are asking about ram speeds, then they don't really matter THAT much as said by the above poster.

If you are asking about gaming memory, as you have selected so, sure they are good both quality and little bit performance wise but again they don't quite justify the hefty price over standard modules. If you can afford them, go for it. Otherwise standard modules of 8gbx2 would be enough too.

I would suggest you to go for a SSD if you don't already have one if you do indeed cut down on above mentioned items.

Just my two cents, cheers !!!

 

[Arsalaan Nazir]

As far as the RAM is concerned, I'd go for 2400mhz ones if you can get them cheaper. Check Linus Tech Tips videos. The performance bump associated with RAMs after 2400mhz is negligible.
Happy gaming!!

Yeah i'd go for 2400 MHz but the thing is, one 2400 MHz 8gb stick costs 10800, and 16 would be 21600 (assuming a dual kit is double the single but there might be a slight margin of a couple of hundred). A 3200 16gb kit costs 23000. So there's not much of a difference. I will have to check the local market here to see what sort of prices they have but yes if i can find cheaper than 21600 for a 2400 kit then i'll go for that.

Moving it to the right section/sub.

As for suggestion, I think it's time for you to abandon your current setup and make a jump to intel's first true consumer's grade i5 offers 6 core, CoffeeLake. If you got enough money in hand and you wanna spend/upgrade then go for it. For intel's user, the only worthy upgrade from sandy is coffeelake atm. Considering the trend of your usage on 2500K, this would be a completely secure deal for next 6 years

Yeah man, with shadi scene in the near future i don't think i'll be able to ever upgrade again xaxaxa so i want to do it now. And yeah i have a habit of keeping my systems for long that's why when upgrading i tend to go for just about top tier stuff that would last me quiet a while.

If you are not going to overclock your processor EVER, then buying i5 8600K over i5 8400 is waste of money.

Sure, there is a difference of 1Ghz in base clock but they both turbo boost to 4Ghz (for 8400) and 4.3Ghz (for 8600K). Therefore, in demanding apps or games they'll be running at equivalent speeds so base clock doesn't matter. So 300MHz difference is negligible and they should perform fairly equal in games if 8600K isn't overclocked. If price is the matter, you can easily choose 8400 as it is value for money and 8600K is overpriced a bit.

I would suggest you to go for a SSD if you don't already have one if you do indeed cut down on above mentioned items.

Just my two cents, cheers !!!

I get where you're trying to get at, 8600 for 32k and 8400 for 23k, that's a saving of 9k just there. But the difference in raw performance is 1 GHz between the two chips. Under normal load/idling it runs at lower clocks right so that wont make much of a difference? I'm not too familiar with the Turbo boost thingy but from what i can gather its only dependent on certain applications that make use of it. Yes/No/Maybe?

So a faster chip should be the evident choice, No?. However, having said that, the 9k saving on the 8400 sure is enticing as well. #gettingconfused

 

[FuriousNinja]

I get where you're trying to get at, 8600 for 32k and 8400 for 23k, that's a saving of 9k just there. But the difference in raw performance is 1 GHz between the two chips. Under normal load/idling it runs at lower clocks right so that wont make much of a difference? I'm not too familiar with the Turbo boost thingy but from what i can gather its only dependent on certain applications that make use of it. Yes/No/Maybe?

So a faster chip should be the evident choice, No?. However, having said that, the 9k saving on the 8400 sure is enticing as well. #gettingconfused

Under normal conditions when we are just browsing or stuff like this, turbo boost won't come into effect. Turbo boost will start working its magic when certain amount of CPU load is reached, no matter what app is running or what game you are playing. For example, you are using Microsoft Word or just doing light browsing, the CPU load will be minimal and it will run at lowest possible base frequency it has to conserve power. The moment you start Witcher 3 (for instance) turbo boost will ramp up the voltage within limits and increase speed upto 4Ghz depending on scenario. This is how it works.

There is no real use of 8600K for you if you are not going to overclock.

In your case, there are two scenarios. As you are saying that it will be long time after this if you even upgrade, and considering the fact that you are buying a motherboard that supports overclocking (basically every Gigabyte model with Z370 chipset does) so it would make sense to buy 8600K and in the future when someday if you do think about OCing it, you can do that to squeeze out more MHz from it. 8600K will be future proof for you for a long, long time (consider 5 years or more easily). Also you ll need a good cooler if you do consider OCing it

Second scenario, if you say you are not going to overclock EVER even if the need arises, then why should you go for 8600K? It is useless. You can then swap the high end motherboard for even a 15K Z370 (it also does support OCing) offering from Gigabyte and use it with 8400 because putting locked processor in a high end motherboard doesn't make any sense. You can also save a few more bucks. There are no mid end motherboards for locked processors at the moment so you could have actually saved up more.

In the end, it is entirely upto you. Rest assured, without overclocking both will perform almost the same. If there is a slight chance of you OCing it, then buy 8600K. If not, then go for 8400. You can google benchmarks if you are still unsure.

 

[Arsalaan Nazir]

Under normal conditions when we are just browsing or stuff like this, turbo boost won't come into effect. Turbo boost will start working its magic when certain amount of CPU load is reached, no matter what app is running or what game you are playing. For example, you are using Microsoft Word or just doing light browsing, the CPU load will be minimal and it will run at lowest possible base frequency it has to conserve power. The moment you start Witcher 3 (for instance) turbo boost will ramp up the voltage within limits and increase speed upto 4Ghz depending on scenario. This is how it works.

There is no real use of 8600K for you if you are not going to overclock.

In your case, there are two scenarios. As you are saying that it will be long time after this if you even upgrade, and considering the fact that you are buying a motherboard that supports overclocking (basically every Gigabyte model with Z370 chipset does) so it would make sense to buy 8600K and in the future when someday if you do think about OCing it, you can do that to squeeze out more MHz from it. 8600K will be future proof for you for a long, long time (consider 5 years or more easily). Also you ll need a good cooler if you do consider OCing it

Second scenario, if you say you are not going to overclock EVER even if the need arises, then why should you go for 8600K? It is useless. You can then swap the high end motherboard for even a 15K Z370 (it also does support OCing) offering from Gigabyte and use it with 8400 because putting locked processor in a high end motherboard doesn't make any sense. You can also save a few more bucks. There are no mid end motherboards for locked processors at the moment so you could have actually saved up more.

In the end, it is entirely upto you. Rest assured, without overclocking both will perform almost the same. If there is a slight chance of you OCing it, then buy 8600K. If not, then go for 8400. You can google benchmarks if you are still unsure.

Yeah man, there's absolutely no chance that i'm going to OC a cpu. The reason i got 2500K back then was also because it was top of the line processor with more speed. I'm running along the same criteria but then there's turbo boost now which wasn't back then. So that kind of changes the picture.

You do have a point about slapping on a locked processor on an OC'ing board would be pointless. And thereby i can save more money but getting another mobo which i'm guessing you're referring to this one (Gigabyte GA-Z370M D3H Z370 LGA 1151-2 Micro ATX Motherboard - Pakistan), saving me another 11k but this one is a micro atx board .

Jeeeeez, altogether that's 20k i can save but at the cost of what performance if i'm looking at the future?

 

[FuriousNinja]

Yeah man, there's absolutely no chance that i'm going to OC a cpu. The reason i got 2500K back then was also because it was top of the line processor with more speed. I'm running along the same criteria but then there's turbo boost now which wasn't back then. So that kind of changes the picture.

You do have a point about slapping on a locked processor on an OC'ing board would be pointless. And thereby i can save more money but getting another mobo which i'm guessing you're referring to this one (Gigabyte GA-Z370M D3H Z370 LGA 1151-2 Micro ATX Motherboard - Pakistan), saving me another 11k but this one is a micro atx board .

Jeeeeez, altogether that's 20k i can save but at the cost of what performance if i'm looking at the future?

Lets break it down.

There are currently 4 offerings from Gigabyte for Z370 chipset here in Pakistan:

*Gigabyte Z370M D3H (Rs15000 approx)
*Gigabyte Z370XP SLI (Rs 18500)
*Aorus 3 (Rs.20,500)
*Aorus 5 (Rs.26,900)

All of these boards support overclocking, so they are future proof in that.

One more thing, are you going to use single graphics card or multi GPUs? If you are going to, then you can further narrow down the options.

Aorus 5 which you selected, has built-in WiFi module (and none of the others have it) and support for Quad SLI or 2-Way SLI setup, and also supports Quad Crossfire or 3-way/2-way Crossfire. It also has gimmicky audio features which I have not so much experience about.

The cheapest of them all i.e is the first, only supports AMD crossfire. But Z370XP SLI supports both Crossfire and SLI.

The other minor and unimportant differences are some different video output technologies. Apart from that, everything is same.

They also have different expansion slots, with Aorus 5 having the most but who needs that much anyway if you aren't going to use anything apart from your graphics card/sound card/SSD. And you can always throw in an extra WiFi card for a cheap price if having wireless connectivity is a must.

Sure the build quality of Aorus would be better but my friend got a very cheap Gigabyte motherboard (I think 4 years ago) for 6000rs and it is still running well and good.

If you are not going to use CrossFire or SLI, and aren't going to use too many HDDs or other onboard peripherals then microATX is not a bad choice. But if you still worry about it, then you can go for Z370XP SLI which is ATX and not micro.

Z370XP SLI seems like the best choice. Anyway, you can google em up for comparisons.

Edit: If you really want to future proof but don't want to OC anything, why not go for i7 8700? Sure it is Rs 39000 (yikes) but it has 12 threads so it can dish out more consistent FPS in current and upcoming games.

Sure 8600K would be a better choice if you OC it (to around 5GHz but it will be running at almost close to 90% load on all cores and with noise and high temp while a stock i7 8700 will surely be only 10-15 FPS behind in games, it will be running at low load and would still handle multitasking very well with low temp) but you aren't going to, and even if you do you ll need to spend further 50$ for a good cooler.

With the money you ll cut down if you buy a cheaper motherboard, you can use that to buy i7 8700. i7 seems a lot better choice for you if you are willing to spend that much, which you can as you were already confused between 8600K and 8400 and you can also cut down on motherboard because simply put, they all are almost same.

Again, I ll stress that to use google for benchmarks so you can further make up your mind. There will be no problem with i5 8400, but an i7 will be bit more future proof albeit at a higher cost.

 

[Arsalaan Nazir]

Lets break it down.

One more thing, are you going to use single graphics card or multi GPUs? If you are going to, then you can further narrow down the options.

If you are not going to use CrossFire or SLI, and aren't going to use too many HDDs or other onboard peripherals then microATX is not a bad choice. But if you still worry about it, then you can go for Z370XP SLI which is ATX and not micro.

Z370XP SLI seems like the best choice. Anyway, you can google em up for comparisons.

Edit: If you really want to future proof but don't want to OC anything, why not go for i7 8700? Sure it is Rs 39000 (yikes) but it has 12 threads so it can dish out more consistent FPS in current and upcoming games.

Sure 8600K would be a better choice if you OC it (to around 5GHz but it will be running at almost close to 90% load on all cores and with noise and high temp while a stock i7 8700 will surely be only 10-15 FPS behind in games, it will be running at low load and would still handle multitasking very well with low temp) but you aren't going to, and even if you do you ll need to spend further 50$ for a good cooler.

With the money you ll cut down if you buy a cheaper motherboard, you can use that to buy i7 8700. i7 seems a lot better choice for you if you are willing to spend that much, which you can as you were already confused between 8600K and 8400 and you can also cut down on motherboard because simply put, they all are almost same.

Again, I ll stress that to use google for benchmarks so you can further make up your mind. There will be no problem with i5 8400, but an i7 will be bit more future proof albeit at a higher cost.

Single GPU, got a Gigabyte 6gb gtx 1060 extreme gaming. Been thinking about getting another 1060 but end up not getting up because then UPS wont sustain xD.

I've got 4 hard drives installed, one SSD Samsung 256gb, the other are regular HD's. (4TB of total storage).

Z370XP sure is a bit cheaper but i want that sexiness that's in gaming 5 . This one doesn't come with that.

8700 is a bit high, i don't think i need to get that. I could but that would be a waste for me.
UserBenchmark: Intel Core i5-2500K vs i5-8400
UserBenchmark: Intel Core i5-2500K vs i5-8600K
UserBenchmark: Intel Core i5-2500K vs i7-8700
(note: there's hardly any difference in the benchmark between an 8600K or 8700, also note that 8400 is 30% fast and 8600K results in a difference of 50% almost over 2500K).

 

[usb2007]

If you wont be upgrading anytime soon then 8700K is going to be a safer bet and future proof too..You can run it stock for now and overclock a little if you need a bit faster speed. In the future if you need even more speed then just delid it and max OC..im sure it will serve you well for years to come.

just dont buy anything lower than 8600.

 

[FuriousNinja]

Single GPU, got a Gigabyte 6gb gtx 1060 extreme gaming. Been thinking about getting another 1060 but end up not getting up because then UPS wont sustain xD.

I've got 4 hard drives installed, one SSD Samsung 256gb, the other are regular HD's. (4TB of total storage).

Z370XP sure is a bit cheaper but i want that sexiness that's in gaming 5 . This one doesn't come with that.

8700 is a bit high, i don't think i need to get that. I could but that would be a waste for me.
UserBenchmark: Intel Core i5-2500K vs i5-8400
UserBenchmark: Intel Core i5-2500K vs i5-8600K
UserBenchmark: Intel Core i5-2500K vs i7-8700
(note: there's hardly any difference in the benchmark between an 8600K or 8700, also note that 8400 is 30% fast and 8600K results in a difference of 50% almost over 2500K).

Then I think you got your answer !!! ^^

Yep, Aorus 5 is aesthetically pleasing to the eye

 

[smaaz]

Yeah man, there's absolutely no chance that i'm going to OC a cpu. The reason i got 2500K back then was also because it was top of the line processor with more speed. I'm running along the same criteria but then there's turbo boost now which wasn't back then. So that kind of changes the picture.

This just show you know nothing and you are upgrading just for the sake of it. Turbo boost was there in 2500k aswell.

The amount of computing power you need, that existing setup of yours is more then enough rather then spending 80k additional. Save money and get married [emoji1]

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[rafay22]

If you do not want to OC "ever" then go for Ryzen instead, it will be so much worth over coffeelake because what intel does best is Overclock, if you aren't going to use it, then there is no reason you should buy. Get the ryzen's B350 chipset motherboard and the highest processor you want to buy, just remember to buy a variant with X at the end as you do not want to OC yourself, they are factory OCed, like 1600x, 1700x etc.
If you want to buy intel only, then wait for the B370 chipest that intel will be releasing next year, it will have considerably lower price as they do not support OCing and couple it with any non K cpu from intel.
If you are planning anything else, you are wasting money as you do not want to overclock.