Leaving FAST for NUST or the Army ? YES OR NO

ahmed123004

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Well I joined FAST Isb BSCS Batch of 2017 Fall, with very high hopes but to no surprise like everyone said the teaching is purely pathetic, I did my A-level from Roots, 82% equivalency in Fsc, two months in, one of my classmate had a serious panic-attack due to overburden and the lack of understanding he had from our teachers, I know this because that's pretty much all the guy talked about in uni and in hostel. yaar samjh nhi arha, yaar exams ka Kya karun ga etc.( he was hostelling ), unfortunately he passed away two days ago after being on a ventilator for 15 days. I'm also struggling by a large margin, failed both my midterm exams purely because what was in the paper was not what we were taught in class or book or assignments, copy paste questions from the web, I even did the past papers but to no purpose still no luck passing. I see students who have done a year of BsCS from other universities coming here are doing very well but the rest of us are struggling badly. Im under a Heep load of stress I honestly don't wanna go their tmrw. I just applied for NET-1 right now online and also applied for 141 L/C of the army. I need some suggestions on what to do now, stay in FAST repeat a semester and spend an extra year or leave and join NUST and spend a extra year still or the army with no prior military family background except my Uncle who is a Colonel in Airforce.
Suggestions advice anything will do me good about now.

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Well I joined FAST Isb BSCS Batch of 2017 Fall, with very high hopes but to no surprise like everyone said the teaching is purely pathetic, I did my A-level from Roots, 82% equivalency in Fsc, two months in, one of my classmate had a serious panic-attack due to overburden and the lack of understanding he had from our teachers, I know this because that's pretty much all the guy talked about in uni and in hostel. yaar samjh nhi arha, yaar exams ka Kya karun ga etc.( he was hostelling ), unfortunately he passed away two days ago after being on a ventilator for 15 days. I'm also struggling by a large margin, failed both my midterm exams purely because what was in the paper was not what we were taught in class or book or assignments, copy paste questions from the web, I even did the past papers but to no purpose still no luck passing. I see students who have done a year of BsCS from other universities coming here are doing very well but the rest of us are struggling badly. Im under a Heep load of stress I honestly don't wanna go their tmrw. I just applied for NET-1 right now online and also applied for 141 L/C of the army. I need some suggestions on what to do now, stay in FAST repeat a semester and spend an extra year or leave and join NUST and spend a extra year still or the army with no prior military family background except my Uncle who is a Colonel in Airforce.
Suggestions advice anything will do me good about now.

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Right so first of all, I am not a professional counselor, so take my advice with a grain of skepticism.

I am not going to talk about the, unfortunate and sad incident with your friend, and focus on the main question of the thread.

Teaching in universities is mostly "teacher dependent" rather than institution dependent. i.e you are not guaranteed to find amazing teachers in NUST, and not every teacher in FAST is going to be bad. I would actually go on further one step and say 80% of teachers in FAST must be capable enough and you will find a few difficult teachers. Note, by difficult I dont mean that the subject is too difficult for them or you - I mean with regards to personality mismatch, and thus transfer of knowledge mismatch.

Coming myself from Alevels, I found that in universities the style of education in even most universities is still "less Alevels" styled and more "FSC/Inter" style. Not saying either is bad or good, just saying its a different style, that you - as I - had to adjust to. Understand that university education is as much about understanding what exact teacher wants, rather than exactly what the course is about.

What I will do is tell you what I did, and maybe you can find something hidden in there which might help you out. So what helped me was reaching out and making friends with knowledgeable and smart kids in my class. I didnt do this purposefully, but we all knew that we wanted to achieve good grades and we knew that all of us brought some expertise.
This was a group of 5 initially, as we were interested in learning and this grew to around 12 people when we were passing out. All of us had made "friends" or got on good terms with different teachers, and we kinda knew what was expected or what kinda answers were expected in the exams. This is not to say we didn't work extremely hard, we did.

We studied together after school, spent some time in library, completed our work, took lectures and relayed on eachother's skillset - but going in this journey with a likeable and smart group of friends really helped all of us. When we passed out, none of the us (12 guys) got a cgpa of below 3.0, this is not to say that all of us were genius or "cheetahs", but all of us raised our cgpas in last 4/5 semesters.

I cant suggest either to stay in FAST or go to another uni, but understand that you ARE coming from a different type of educational background and find a group of friends who want to go where you want to be, also if you want to talk about the pressuers you are facing, finding a professional therapist/counselor to talk about things is a good thing not a bad one.

[MENTION=8060]abobobilly[/MENTION] [MENTION=25983]AbbY[/MENTION] [MENTION=1054]Shyber[/MENTION] might have something to add to this
 

spitfire99

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Well I joined FAST Isb BSCS Batch of 2017 Fall, with very high hopes but to no surprise like everyone said the teaching is purely pathetic, I did my A-level from Roots, 82% equivalency in Fsc, two months in, one of my classmate had a serious panic-attack due to overburden and the lack of understanding he had from our teachers, I know this because that's pretty much all the guy talked about in uni and in hostel. yaar samjh nhi arha, yaar exams ka Kya karun ga etc.( he was hostelling ), unfortunately he passed away two days ago after being on a ventilator for 15 days. I'm also struggling by a large margin, failed both my midterm exams purely because what was in the paper was not what we were taught in class or book or assignments, copy paste questions from the web, I even did the past papers but to no purpose still no luck passing. I see students who have done a year of BsCS from other universities coming here are doing very well but the rest of us are struggling badly. Im under a Heep load of stress I honestly don't wanna go their tmrw. I just applied for NET-1 right now online and also applied for 141 L/C of the army. I need some suggestions on what to do now, stay in FAST repeat a semester and spend an extra year or leave and join NUST and spend a extra year still or the army with no prior military family background except my Uncle who is a Colonel in Airforce.
Suggestions advice anything will do me good about now.

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I am also in FAST-ISB, currently 3rd semester, and I'm not exactly sure what you're talking about. Yes, not every teacher is amazing but you can't expect that from any university. My friends in LUMS complain about bad teachers too. And honestly, all the teachers I studied under have been very decent. Secondly, again no idea what you mean about the exams. So far, either the papers are conceptual or at worst, contain questions from the book. I've yet to give a paper where I truly felt anything was out of the course. I'm not here to defend FAST as I've also witnessed some objectionable things but you're painting a very grim picture here. Also, I did my A-Levels from BMI so I kinda know where you're coming from. I think you just might be a little bit too stressed. It's your first semester, you shouldn't expect everything to just fall into place. Give it some time and you will adjust. And trust me, the teachers get better.
 
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ahmed123004

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I am also in FAST-ISB, currently 3rd semester, and I'm not exactly sure what you're talking about. Yes, not every teacher is amazing but you can't expect that from any university. My friends in LUMS complain about bad teachers too. And honestly, all the teachers I studied under have been very decent. Secondly, again no idea what you mean about the exams. So far, either the papers are conceptual or at worst, contain questions from the book. I've yet to give a paper where I truly felt anything was out of the course. I'm not here to defend FAST as I've also witnessed some objectionable things but you're painting a very grim picture here. Also, I did my A-Levels from BMI so I kinda know where you're coming from. I think you just might be a little bit too stressed. It's your first semester, you shouldn't expect everything to just fall into place. Give it some time and you will adjust. And trust me, the teachers get better.
Our Cal-1 teacher was especially annoyed from our class and knew we were all lacking absolutes after the first mid, so the exam was this Monday and she told us last Monday that " App logg abhi batain karlo, Monday ko pass hokar dikhana..." Fast forward exam came, first question relating to Conic section worth 15 marks when the mid 2 course included only differentiation, second question, relating to Integration which is also not in our second mid course, I know we have studied it in Alevels but that doesn't mean everyone else has. Total 30/65 marks down the drain by my entire class because we discussed it afterwards to report to HoD tmrw. Like what kind of teaching is that, if you want us to fail, at least give it from the course, don't go AWOL on us and now the class average is 25 absolute from 50 up till now.
10 guys failed the entire course absolute less than 15 up till now and many more on the borderline

Can you meet me in Uni tmrw, id like to discuss it in fine detail if you are free.

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ahmed123004

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Right so first of all, I am not a professional counselor, so take my advice with a grain of skepticism.

I am not going to talk about the, unfortunate and sad incident with your friend, and focus on the main question of the thread.

Teaching in universities is mostly "teacher dependent" rather than institution dependent. i.e you are not guaranteed to find amazing teachers in NUST, and not every teacher in FAST is going to be bad. I would actually go on further one step and say 80% of teachers in FAST must be capable enough and you will find a few difficult teachers. Note, by difficult I dont mean that the subject is too difficult for them or you - I mean with regards to personality mismatch, and thus transfer of knowledge mismatch.

Coming myself from Alevels, I found that in universities the style of education in even most universities is still "less Alevels" styled and more "FSC/Inter" style. Not saying either is bad or good, just saying its a different style, that you - as I - had to adjust to. Understand that university education is as much about understanding what exact teacher wants, rather than exactly what the course is about.

What I will do is tell you what I did, and maybe you can find something hidden in there which might help you out. So what helped me was reaching out and making friends with knowledgeable and smart kids in my class. I didnt do this purposefully, but we all knew that we wanted to achieve good grades and we knew that all of us brought some expertise.
This was a group of 5 initially, as we were interested in learning and this grew to around 12 people when we were passing out. All of us had made "friends" or got on good terms with different teachers, and we kinda knew what was expected or what kinda answers were expected in the exams. This is not to say we didn't work extremely hard, we did.

We studied together after school, spent some time in library, completed our work, took lectures and relayed on eachother's skillset - but going in this journey with a likeable and smart group of friends really helped all of us. When we passed out, none of the us (12 guys) got a cgpa of below 3.0, this is not to say that all of us were genius or "cheetahs", but all of us raised our cgpas in last 4/5 semesters.

I cant suggest either to stay in FAST or go to another uni, but understand that you ARE coming from a different type of educational background and find a group of friends who want to go where you want to be, also if you want to talk about the pressuers you are facing, finding a professional therapist/counselor to talk about things is a good thing not a bad one.

[MENTION=8060]abobobilly[/MENTION] [MENTION=25983]AbbY[/MENTION] [MENTION=1054]Shyber[/MENTION] might have something to add to this
we have a group of 5 guys all A-level background and we get along and everything but as soon the time comes for help or anything, no-one responds to either call or sms, so many goddamn excuses and delays. Most of these guys have done CS in Alevels and have no problem in ITC but even if we in the lab doing the same assignment and I ask one of em to explain the logic behind a certain problem, respond is "...Bhai yaar plagerism hogae gi...yaar boht mushkil logic hay..tu apna khudi soch..." 9 labs in, everyone is willing to take but no one is willing to help in return.. and I can't change sections now either, I'm stuck with these guys.

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NaNoW

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we have a group of 5 guys all A-level background and we get along and everything but as soon the time comes for help or anything, no-one responds to either call or sms, so many goddamn excuses and delays. Most of these guys have done CS in Alevels and have no problem in ITC but even if we in the lab doing the same assignment and I ask one of em to explain the logic behind a certain problem, respond is "...Bhai yaar plagerism hogae gi...yaar boht mushkil logic hay..tu apna khudi soch..." 9 labs in, everyone is willing to take but no one is willing to help in return.. and I can't change sections now either, I'm stuck with these guys.

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Yeah, these are NOT the guys you are looking for...find more freinds in your class, start hanging out with others aswell..As I said, I was the ONLY one in MY group from A levels background and you will have to change your mindset a little bit regarding how to approach these problems, break the bubble and approach everyone and anyone you can learn from.
 

spitfire99

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Our Cal-1 teacher was especially annoyed from our class and knew we were all lacking absolutes after the first mid, so the exam was this Monday and she told us last Monday that " App logg abhi batain karlo, Monday ko pass hokar dikhana..." Fast forward exam came, first question relating to Conic section worth 15 marks when the mid 2 course included only differentiation, second question, relating to Integration which is also not in our second mid course, I know we have studied it in Alevels but that doesn't mean everyone else has. Total 30/65 marks down the drain by my entire class because we discussed it afterwards to report to HoD tmrw. Like what kind of teaching is that, if you want us to fail, at least give it from the course, don't go AWOL on us and now the class average is 25 absolute from 50 up till now.
10 guys failed the entire course absolute less than 15 up till now and many more on the borderline

Can you meet me in Uni tmrw, id like to discuss it in fine detail if you are free.

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I'm in section A. 3rd semester. If you can find a slot when we are both free, let me know.
 
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ahmed123004

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Yeah, these are NOT the guys you are looking for...find more freinds in your class, start hanging out with others aswell..As I said, I was the ONLY one in MY group from A levels background and you will have to change your mindset a little bit regarding how to approach these problems, break the bubble and approach everyone and anyone you can learn from.
That is actually just what I might need ATM, thanks I'll do that but one more thing, let's say if all else fails and I flunk two subjects in first semester should I stay in FAST and take an extra year or leave this winter, I have enough NTS score to get into COMSATS spring admission in CS.

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I can sort of understand Cal1/BE but what was the issue with ITC?

Also, CS... It is one area where you get to learn a little from uni but most of the learning comes from learning yourself (my knowledge source was and still is YouTube/Coursera/Udemy).

Sit down with [MENTION=44541]spitfire99[/MENTION]


That is actually just what I might need ATM, thanks I'll do that but one more thing, let's say if all else fails and I flunk two subjects in first semester should I stay in FAST and take an extra year or leave this winter, I have enough NTS score to get into COMSATS spring admission in CS.

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Stay in FAST, don't look towards COMSATS, it has its fair share of shitty teachers as well (among the good ones).
 

ahmed123004

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I can sort of understand Cal1/BE but what was the issue with ITC?

Also, CS... It is one area where you get to learn a little from uni but most of the learning comes from learning yourself (my knowledge source was and still is YouTube/Coursera/Udemy).

Sit down with [MENTION=44541]spitfire99[/MENTION]




Stay in FAST, don't look towards COMSATS, it has its fair share of shitty teachers as well (among the good ones).
I had sit-down with my family and they suggested I take a break from FAST after December if I don't pass, I should go for NUST. Keeping in mind I made the decision to join FAST over NUST back in August and now I feel like that was a irrational decision.

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I'm sorry about what happened to your friend. Inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi raji'un. I don't have any particular suggestion for you. But here is what i have to say:

+ To me, there's ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG in spending an extra year or two if you are weak in studies. I have never been a bright student myself. Well, i was the brightest until my Metriculation, but over-praise got to my head and i started screwing up, right until my adult where i'm still struggling with studies. Never gonna stop till death, InShaALLAH.

+ F*CK EVERYONE ELSE. Including all your (so called) friends. No one will help you. The sooner you understand that, the farther you will go in your life. DO YOUR BEST. If you still fail, then consider it an opportunity to rise again.

+ LEAVING is for the pu**ies. DON'T BE ONE. Finish what you have started, even if it takes you years, If that's what you want to do. You may have heard of "Try Try Again". Now is the time to put it to test.

+ Teachers will NOT help you pass. YOU will help you pass. If you don't understand something ... INTERNET, bro. It's a magical place if you use it right.

+ After everything, if you still fail ... GET A JOB. Even a low level one. Do it until you understand the STRUGGLE in life. Life can be the best teacher sometimes.

+ NAMAZ. If you're a Muslim. Don't leave it. You are not gonna get far in life, without ALLAH's help. Don't believe me? Keep struggling some more then, until you understand.

BEST OF LUCK. (y)
 
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