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Hifiman He400i
I'm sure you've seen better photos by some other owners.

Anyhow, just got these planar magnetic headphones from the US at, let's just say, a fantastic price.

Not endgame stuff as my favorites remain the custom EMU, but still, a game of it's own.

PROS:

- Very open, natural sound.
- Very comfortable fit.
- Superb packaging by the Chinese - just great. Best packaging ever for a pair of heaphones.
- Superb carry case - must be worth $50 alone, that's how good it is.
- Great sound overall - soundstage, immersion, balance is all great. Bass goes real low, to my surprise. Not that punch, but hey... it's fully open back. Just the sound I was looking for.
- Efficient for an amp... but still not that efficient (check CONs).
- Great mechanism - simple 2.5mm stereo jacks for the removable cable. Nice thick yet light braided cord.

CONS:

- NEED an amp. No two ways about it. I already HAVE amps and still, all the stuff in my current arsenal is INSUFFICIENT. So, you need a REAL GOOD AMP (probably in the $200 to $400 range at least)... else, don't even bother buying these.
- Clamp a bit too strong, but may adjust after use (I hope).
- Fragile. Not very, but still. Mostly though, still plastic, so I give points to my other, endgame cans here again.
- Not basshead. Though the bass is completely present here, if you’re looking for basshead cans, these are not it.
- Leakage – these are open cans and leak sound as anything. Almost as much outside as in, and isolation is obviously poor. Keep that in mind.


Nothing is night and day difference. My $50 cans still sound pretty close, but well, I wanted to experience planar sound, and these sure are much open, much more natural and not fatiguing.

I will review them in detail, probably after an amp. Maybe it'll be too late then. Let's see. So far, I'm very happy. All genres perform very satisfyingly, and even for a bassophile/electrohead like me, it's great piece of equipment.

Chinese have really gone so much ahead in their stuff now. My DAC, my Amp and these cans are all Chinese, and it's just top notch quality at very, VERY affordable prices.



































 

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[MENTION=11778]DJ80[/MENTION] congratulations brother finally welcome to the club [emoji16] i think they are quite good value for the money and with a proper amp they shine...let me know which amp you're using and if you could get hold a tube amp then my oh my jelly good


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@DJ80 congratulations brother finally welcome to the club [emoji16] i think they are quite good value for the money and with a proper amp they shine...let me know which amp you're using and if you could get hold a tube amp then my oh my jelly good


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HA yeah thanks man. They sure are good and yeah, just GREAT VALUE for me, really. Yeah need to see when and how I can get an amp to power em. But it's ok... it's struggling, but I'm covered for now... almost covered hehe. These planars man. Damn. Lots of amping.

Tube amp. OK. noted.
 

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Awesome purchase man, congrats. U beat me with unboxing [emoji14] ...
Really excited for my pair to arrive, but $200 amp well that would be a tough call for me, may be in March I would be able to get one if it's absolutely necessary ...
So waiting for ur review ... Any sub $100 amp which u can think can drive them ???
N u compared them tons $50 cans ... Don't say that plz ... :(

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Awesome purchase man, congrats. U beat me with unboxing [emoji14] ...
Really excited for my pair to arrive, but $200 amp well that would be a tough call for me, may be in March I would be able to get one if it's absolutely necessary ...
So waiting for ur review ... Any sub $100 amp which u can think can drive them ???
N u compared them tons $50 cans ... Don't say that plz ... :(
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Hahah no the point is I hear a lot of people using the term DAY AND NIGHT... there never is that. Still, these are premium stuff and is to be enjoyed, but I will not say it will blow this out of the water or that out of the water. Thing is, good things come in all shapes, sizes... and PRICES. You have to spot the good. More money never means better. And it won't be like say, 6 times better if it's 6 times more money. That's what I meant. But what happens is once you get this kind of stuff, other stuff is ignored. But take my opinions lightly. Some people see drastic differences, others only marginal. It's subjective, really.

It's actually to tell other folks who have less costly stuff that this isn't really GIANT KILLER stuff. Yeah, giant killer stuff is what is for say $5 or $20 and sounds as good as $150 stuff. This, is premium, and well yeah, you get what you pay for. If it sucked, then you'd be surely disappointed for the money you spent on it. You'll like em, I'm sure. BeatsByDre though... yeah, these Hifiman sure blow them out of the water hehehe...

Amp... well my Creative E05 is like $200 but no, not for these cans. It struggles. I have the $100 fiiO E07k which is surprisingly much better, still struggles but gets you there... almost.

For a new buyer, I would have to recommend something beyond these. $100 price point will not have the amp we're looking for, simply put. It would at least have to be in the higher price tier. Better buy something much more solid and powerful and be sure. I know it's not easy, but there isn't any two ways about it. Learn from me hehehe...
 

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damn ... im now worried :(
i was checking headfi and found this ... and not a single out of them is in my range right now ... may be Hifiman EF2A or Fiio Montblanc E12 (under $150) but since i dont plan to buy anything else so what u would recommend which are good for only HE400i and HD598 CS. Just to be clear im just getting into this stuff and will for a very long time wont invest anything else on this hobby :D

HiFiMAN HE-400i - AUDIOBOT 9000
 

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damn ... im now worried :(
i was checking headfi and found this ... and not a single out of them is in my range right now ... may be Hifiman EF2A or Fiio Montblanc E12 (under $150) but since i dont plan to buy anything else so what u would recommend which are good for only HE400i and HD598 CS. Just to be clear im just getting into this stuff and will for a very long time wont invest anything else on this hobby :D

HiFiMAN HE-400i - AUDIOBOT 9000

Dont bother with fiio, My E18 kunlun was a major disappointment. I would recommend getting the new Schiit fulla 2, its $100, and offers insane value for money. Another option is getting the Xduoo XD-05, one of the best dac/amps you can get under $200, has the akm4490 DAC and its amp is pretty powerful as well. you can haggle some aliexpress sellers to send it to you for around $140. pretty good deal IMO. although I would recommend getting the Oppo HA-2se I prefer its SQ even over my chord mojo. It really is the best portable dac/amp you can buy currently.
 

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Another Fulla-2 recommendation
Ur third guy who is recommending it but DJ Bhai doesn't agree ...
Portability is not the aim, I'm not the kind who wears or will ever go out wearing any thing ... And HE400i r not so portable. I was thinking to spend not more than $100, but I think jaib halki karni paray gi


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[MENTION=11778]DJ80[/MENTION] Have your HD6XX arrived yet? I need an honest opinion about the 6xx. I'd appreciate if you could put up a comparison between the 400i and the 6xx.
 

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Another Fulla-2 recommendation
Ur third guy who is recommending it but DJ Bhai doesn't agree ...
Portability is not the aim, I'm not the kind who wears or will ever go out wearing any thing ... And HE400i r not so portable. I was thinking to spend not more than $100, but I think jaib halki karni paray gi
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If you're looking to spend a maximum of $100. fulla2 is THE BEST bang for your buck. simple. no ifs or buts about it. AKM4490 (top of the line dac chip, found in high end stuff) with a decent amp. theres nothing in the Chinese offerings which comes close. I dont personally own the fulla2 but from what I've read, its pretty good, and punches way above its price bracket. For comparision, The Grace Design m9xx has the same DAC chip. Plus it has the option to bypass the amp if in the future you want to add a more powerful amplifier. It does not have a built in battery, so its not really portable. But it does have the ability to be powered by any micro usb cable plugged to a wall socket.

2nd best option : Xduoo xd05 ($140) which is slightly more powerful than the fulla2 with the same dac chip.
 

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Dont bother with fiio, My E18 kunlun was a major disappointment. I would recommend getting the new Schiit fulla 2, its $100, and offers insane value for money. Another option is getting the Xduoo XD-05, one of the best dac/amps you can get under $200, has the akm4490 DAC and its amp is pretty powerful as well. you can haggle some aliexpress sellers to send it to you for around $140. pretty good deal IMO. although I would recommend getting the Oppo HA-2se I prefer its SQ even over my chord mojo. It really is the best portable dac/amp you can buy currently.
I second these thoughts. Very well put out. [MENTION=4563]opethian[/MENTION]. Well full2 does seem great value... I just don't know or am not sure if it'll have enough juice. Still, maybe faw88 can elaborate and help if he knows something I dont.
[MENTION=38741]faw88[/MENTION] well I'm waiting for them to arrive. Any day now. Yeah sure I will indeed compare them for you. But I have a feeling the 400i may just be better. Let's see...
 

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[MENTION=11778]DJ80[/MENTION] I can't even find fulla-2 review on YouTube ... so those who r recommending it either know it or may have used it ... Or may be something else like used Fulla 1
HD6xx will have better soundstage but be very flat I think, lucky RU :D


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Yeah well maybe cuz fulla 2 is a new product and people may just be getting their hands on it still...
Yeah the whole world pushed me for Sennheiser so I said, hell, it's about time. Let's grab this el cheapo deal. And the 6XX is a standout anyhow. Limited Edition and Made to order kind of stuff hehe...
 

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I second these thoughts. Very well put out. @opethian. Well full2 does seem great value... I just don't know or am not sure if it'll have enough juice. Still, maybe faw88 can elaborate and help if he knows something I dont.
@faw88 well I'm waiting for them to arrive. Any day now. Yeah sure I will indeed compare them for you. But I have a feeling the 400i may just be better. Let's see...
@DJ80 Alright. I'm eager to get your opinion on them bro!

@opethian OK. So let me break it up. Compared to the Oppo HA2-se ($300) which I currently use, and which has Ample power to drive HE400i's :

The Fulla2 Puts out 550mw per channel into a 16ohm load. The Ha2-se Puts out 300mw per channel into 16ohm. Fiio E07k is 250mW@16ohm
The Fulla2 Puts out 40mw per channel into 300ohm. the Ha2se Puts out 30mw per channel into 300ohm. The Fiio E07k is 36mW@300ohm.


So its more powerful than the oppo and the fiio. People do say its slightly underpowered in the amp section but thats only when they compare it to other Desk amps and those too way above its price range.
I cant see it not being able to drive the Hifimans well. And with the 4490 DAC Chip its going to have better SQ than the fiio.
 
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@DJ80 Alright. I'm eager to get your opinion on them bro!
@opethian OK. So let me break it up. Compared to the Oppo HA2-se ($300) which I currently use, and which has Ample power to drive HE400i's :

The Fulla2 Puts out 550mw per channel into 16ohm. The Ha2-se Puts out 300mw per channel into 16ohm. Fiio E07k is 250mW@16ohm
The Fulla2 Puts out 40mw per channel into 300ohm. the Ha2se Puts out 30mw per channel into 300ohm. The Fiio E07k is 36mW@300ohm.


So its more powerful than the oppo and the fiio. People do say its slightly underpowered in the amp section but thats only when they compare it to other Desk amps and those too way above its price range.
I cant see it not being able to drive the Hifimans well. And with the 4490 DAC Chip its going to have better SQ than the fiio.
Now you're just tickling my wallet faw88... tread carefully :flame:
That Oppo is nice. Do you ever max out with it on the he400i?

@opethian... I think we have some opinions. Bite the bullet hehehe
 
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[MENTION=11778]DJ80[/MENTION] ... Not yet :)
Let them reach let me try ... And let some more people try and experience Fulla-2 as also, I have yet to see in action ... Because I don't have luxury to return something n ship it back n get a replacement if I didn't like it ... So like u advised n rightly so to don't rush ... [MENTION=38741]faw88[/MENTION] thanks man, you have explained very precisely in a way which is hard to contradict, number do mean something, I read the specs on the website, on paper it has enough power which are surprising for its size n power it needs to drive
I got another recommendation on Headfi ...
1. Bravo Ocean tube (hybrid) headphone amplifier
2. Dragonfly Black
3. Schitt Fulla-2


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Now you're just tickling my wallet faw88... tread carefully :flame:
That Oppo is nice. Do you ever max out with it on the he400i?

@opethian... I think we have some opinions. Bite the bullet hehehe
[MENTION=11778]DJ80[/MENTION] on Low Gain, Yes. But on high gain Im happy with the Volume/distortion around the 70% mark. Of course it does'nt distort at higher volumes either, but get a bit too loud for comfort.

And yes, I'm finding it quite difficult to abstain from the fulla2. I have to keep reminding myself that I do not need another dac/amp. But Its just so fancy looking haha! aluminum with the large volume dial :p.
 

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@DJ80 ... Not yet :)
Let them reach let me try ... And let some more people try and experience Fulla-2 as also, I have yet to see in action ... Because I don't have luxury to return something n ship it back n get a replacement if I didn't like it ... So like u advised n rightly so to don't rush ... @faw88 thanks man, you have explained very precisely in a way which is hard to contradict, number do mean something, I read the specs on the website, on paper it has enough power which are surprising for its size n power it needs to drive
I got another recommendation on Headfi ...




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Hmm. Well, Firstly. If youre referring to the Bravo Audio Ocean mini, Its a headphone amplifier which does not have a dac. Its good, But you'll have to get a good DAC to get clean audio. directly using the amp out of your mobile phone/ computer won't produce as good a sound.
The DragonFly Black is good! Sabre DAC's sound very good, Its underpowered though (90mW@16ohm). the Dragonfly Red is where its at! ess9018! and ample oomph.

Other than that, It really comes down to your personal choice. Dragonfly is tried and tested, I can recommend that. but the fulla2 is much better, on paper atleast. but you cant go wrong with either one. Goodluck!
 
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[MENTION=11778]DJ80[/MENTION] sorry for hijacking ur thread but i think this discussion was worth it ...
thanks [MENTION=38741]faw88[/MENTION] for ur help
now finding someone who can order from schitt n then bring with him to pakistan is next big project for me :D
 
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