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[CerebralTiger]

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Cyberpunk 2077 |OT| Did you just assume V's gender?!

 

[NaNoW]

oh btw on the topic.. [MENTION=26]Chandoo[/MENTION] [MENTION=218]CerebralTiger[/MENTION] [MENTION=11352]Necrokiller[/MENTION] [MENTION=4374]Journeys End[/MENTION] - I dont know if someone mentioned this already or not :

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our male protagonist is either Bi or gay.....there is a cinematic in the demo shown, after a mission, where he wakes up with a guy prostitute

so I guess The last of us isnt the only game doing this now..

 

[Necrokiller]

Old news. Same sex romance is optional and not uncommon in RPGs.

 

[Journeys End]

have you guys played Elder's Scrolls, Fable, Mass Effect?

nothing wrong with having a choice, just don't want it shoved to my face (for shock value lol)

 

[SolitarySoldier]

have you guys played Elder's Scrolls, Fable, Mass Effect?

nothing wrong with having a choice, just don't want it shoved to my face (for shock value lol)

So all the homophobia on TLoU II thread was misplaced because its not an RPG, unlike the games mentioned, and hence the narrative does not build up with your choices. Surely you aren't expecting them to change the genre of the game for your convenience? [emoji4]

 

[CerebralTiger]

nothing wrong with having a choice, just don't want it shoved to my face (for shock value lol)

Your original issue in the case of the TLoU II was that ND "wasted" precious seconds on a "logically useless detail" in their demo....that they thought it was important to included it in a demo at such a major event.

considering ND thought it so important to included that in such a short trailer at such a major event

What was the purpose of wasting precious secs on that logically useless detail?

NaNoW is correct in pointing out that CDPR did the same thing you criticized ND for. It wasn't a public demo, but it was shown to the press nevertheless. And chances are it'll be shown to the public down the road. So how come you aren't criticizing the studio you would buy shit from? :tv:

 

[Necrokiller]

So all the homophobia on TLoU II thread was misplaced because its not an RPG, unlike the games mentioned, and hence the narrative does not build up with your choices. Surely you aren't expecting them to change the genre of the game for your convenience? [emoji4]

I think we've been over this already. The approach to tackle this subject is completely different between the two studios. One had no such elements in their trailer reveal on stage, other pretty much made that central to their trailer. Even the very first reply from rabid fanboys was about THAT moment.

Holy shit, that was one hell of a kiss lol

Sorry Lara, go hide in the shadows of some tombs.

 

[Chandoo]

ND shows 2 females kissing "OMG $ONY STOP FORCING YOUR AGENDA DOWN OUR THROATS"

CDPR shows male prostitutes "YEAH IT'S TOTALLY EXPECTED GUYS, I SEE NOTHING WRONG HERE".

(lmao)

 

[Necrokiller]

ND shows two girls kissing to the whole world " HOLY SHIT WHAT A HELLUVA KISS"

CDPR showing Chandoo two male prostitutes behind close doors " TRANSPHOBIA ALERT"

(lmao)

 

[Chandoo]

I think that second line needs a bit adjustment, it's not chandoo , it's CDPR whose a transphobic company opcorn2:

 

[Necrokiller]

We all know who's NOT gonna be playing Cyberpunk 2077.

 

[NaNoW]

have you guys played Elder's Scrolls, Fable, Mass Effect?

nothing wrong with having a choice, just don't want it shoved to my face (for shock value lol)

They made a point of it during the presentation " oh looks like he had fun" and it wasnt necessary to show it at all

 

[SolitarySoldier]

I think we've been over this already. The approach to tackle this subject is completely different between the two studios. One had no such elements in their trailer reveal on stage, other pretty much made that central to their trailer. Even the very first reply from rabid fanboys was about THAT moment.

But I'm specifically talking about the view that such scenes are not uncommon and optional in RPGs, which somehow makes it okay for those who have an objection to it but not okay in other games where it couldn't be optional given that it's a key part of the story. Even as something optional, there was no need to show it to the press and those who have a problem with LGBT stuff should object to it. I don't have a problem so I'm cool with both TLoU II and Cyberpunk, but the opposition here is not being consistent.

 

[Necrokiller]

But I'm specifically talking about the view that such scenes are not uncommon and optional in RPGs, which somehow makes it okay for those who have an objection to it but not okay in other games where it couldn't be optional given that it's a key part of the story. Even as something optional, there was no need to show it to the press and those who have a problem with LGBT stuff should object to it. I don't have a problem so I'm cool with both TLoU II and Cyberpunk, but the opposition here is not being consistent.

NaNoW phrasing suggested that such themes are being seen in gaming just “now”. Being common in RPGs means that its usually this genre where these themes are tackled the most. Even outside of RPGs, TLoU isnt the first franchise to feature homosexual characters. So yeah, people are pretty okay with it. If I found the rest of the TLoU 2 demo half decent I wouldnt even care for the kiss lol. However, NaNoW should correct me if im wrong but as far as Ive read no article mentions any sexual act actually been shown in the Cyberpunk demo. Your character wakes up next to someone so its all suggestive in nature. Final game will likely show those scenes as well but thats how this scenario is different. Why is this part of the demo being considered “unnecessary” while on the other hand what ND showed to the whole world and made it a key part of the trailer, isn’t? Or lets take it one step ahead, why was it absolutely necessary to make Ellie homosexual in the first place? Where is the consistency in these arguments?

 

[Journeys End]

It's amazing how fanboys (or girls whatever preferred orientation lol) lost their eyesight just to justify their point [emoji38]

nothing wrong with having a choice, just don't want it shoved to my face (for shock value lol)

Whatever the case is with cyberpunk 2077, it's safe to assume the player will be given the choice to choose their sexual orientation since it is a RPG


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[Journeys End]

Your original issue in the case of the TLoU II was that ND "wasted" precious seconds on a "logically useless detail" in their demo....that they thought it was important to included it in a demo at such a major event.




NaNoW is correct in pointing out that CDPR did the same thing you criticized ND for. It wasn't a public demo, but it was shown to the press nevertheless. And chances are it'll be shown to the public down the road. So how come you aren't criticizing the studio you would buy shit from? :tv:

Jab CDPR ney ND ki tarha Abuses will lead to bans mari to phir batana. Advance mein tension na lo yaar


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[SolitarySoldier]

Even outside of RPGs, TLoU isnt the first franchise to feature homosexual characters. So yeah, people are pretty okay with it.

Tell that to this person here who was shocked by TLoU II trailer and didn't see anything else in the game. He was not okay with it and yet provides the example of Mass Effect here (alien sex LOL).

If I found the rest of the TLoU 2 demo half decent I wouldnt even care for the kiss lol.

Not liking the game is okay but projecting the kiss as a problem isn't. I can pick out such themes from TW3 or other games and judge the whole game based on it. That doesn't give any credence to my judgment beyond my personal taste, which is not in question to begin with. The objections on TLoU II gave the impression that something is objectively wrong with the game and that something is nothing but the kiss. So in the case of TLoU II, such a judgment is more of homophobia than a legit opinion.

However, NaNoW should correct me if im wrong but as far as Ive read no article mentions any sexual act actually been shown in the Cyberpunk demo. Your character wakes up next to someone so its all suggestive in nature. Final game will likely show those scenes as well but thats how this scenario is different.

Well, it doesn't matter to me even if they show it. Other games apart from TLoU II have done it before and it's fine by me (I mean we've seen alien sex ffs lol). I'm only referring to the selective objection of this one person here who is okay with it when it comes to the game he likes but not okay when it comes to other games. The scenario being different doesn't change this point.

Why is this part of the demo being considered “unnecessary” while on the other hand what ND showed to the whole world and made it a key part of the trailer, isn’t?

Because Cyberpunk is an RPG whose plot presumably isn't centred around homosexual characters while TLoU II is a linear story driven game which shows a natural evolution of its key character Ellie (she was always a homosexual as we know from TLoU and she's now an adult doing what adults do while we are told that it is somehow shocking). Again, I'm not the one who has a problem in either case.

Or lets take it one step ahead, why was it absolutely necessary to make Ellie homosexual in the first place? Where is the consistency in these arguments?

Because why not? Why was it necessary to make infinite heterosexual characters and "shove them in my face"? So why this inconsistency by Cyberpunk fans?

 

[Necrokiller]

Not liking the game is okay but projecting the kiss as a problem isn't.

I don't find anything wrong with it. I think it would've been better left off for the player to experience in game. But when you make it a key part of the trailer, rather than show a glimpse of it, on gaming's biggest stage to the entire world, its understandable why its inclusion is perceived as shock value by some.

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"Holy shit" being the biggest LGBT activists own first response on PG lol

Well, it doesn't matter to me even if they show it. Other games apart from TLoU II have done it before and it's fine by me (I mean we've seen alien sex ffs lol). I'm only referring to the selective objection of this one person here who is okay with it when it comes to the game he likes but not okay when it comes to other games. The scenario being different doesn't change this point.

You are choosing to ignore the facts by saying "it doesn't matter to me" when the scenario is what that individual is objecting to.

Because why not? Why was it necessary to make infinite heterosexual characters and "shove them in my face"? So why this inconsistency by Cyberpunk fans?

CDPR didn't approach it the same way that ND did. That's a fact. If it was a key part of their on stage trailer like ND, you would have an argument.

 

[SolitarySoldier]

I don't find anything wrong with it. I think it would've been better left off for the player to experience in game. But when you make it a key part of the trailer, rather than show a glimpse of it, on gaming's biggest stage to the entire world, its understandable why its inclusion is perceived as shock value by some.

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"Holy shit" being the biggest LGBT activists own first response on PG lol

You are choosing to ignore the facts by saying "it doesn't matter to me" when the scenario is what that individual is objecting to.


No inconsistencies as CDPR didn't do what ND did. That's a fact.

Well, being positively shocked is not the same as being homophobic. On one hand, you are happy about inclusivity while in the other case it pisses you off.

Idk what I'm ignoring here. I've already addressed the scenario above when I said that in an RPG you can make such acts/scenes optional but in a linear story driven game, it is a key part of the narrative (and yet you can still skip the cutscene so I guess it is still not shoved in your face, which is not really a bad thing since you can choose to not play the game as well).

As if what ND did is something wrong. The only parallel I'm drawing here is between homosexual scenes in both games. Nothing more, nothing less. I'm not saying that what they showed is exactly the same.

 

[Necrokiller]

Well, being positively shocked is not the same as being homophobic. On one hand, you are happy about inclusivity while in the other case it pisses you off. [emoji14]

Idk what I'm ignoring here. I've already addressed the scenario above when I said that in an RPG you can make such acts/scenes optional but in a linear story driven game, it is a key part of the narrative (and yet you can still skip the cutscene so I guess it is still not shoved in your face, which is not really a bad thing since you can choose to not play the game as well).

As if what ND did is something wrong. [emoji14] The only parallel I'm drawing here is between homosexual scenes in both games. Nothing more, nothing less. I'm not saying that what they showed is exactly the same.

You're drawing your own parallels and making up arguments to support it. Think this discussion has run its course. Again [emoji14]