Azadi march lookout thread - PTI calls off dharna

[Hammad7741]

In current situation the democracy will be looli langdi*
a lot of work needs to be done to make it better and the most important is elimination of corruption. If a party needs to succeed in elections it has to give ticket to powerful influential politicians of that particular area. when a party wins election because of these people then the leadership is forced to serve their demands and overlook their corruption.

See IK he tried hard to get good politicians for party but could only get a few pure ones then he had to compromise on many aspects.

I personaly believe our literacy lvl and social conditions are not right for democracy. Dictatorship is the way forward and that has to be someone from Army to have necessory power and gutts to deal with important decisions.

hate to say it.... but youre correct on the last line. I dont want dictators but thats what we deserve

 

[Ottoman]

Imran Khan has lost the plot. He doesn't have the numbers or even the support to call for civil disobedience. You can't be sitting in a provincial government and also be part of a disobedience movement against the Federation. One can't be in two beds at once.

IK's speech was a face-saving plea. Crowd numbers have been poor with only significant numbers from Central/Southern Punjab and KPK. There has been little to zero participation from Sindh and Balochistan. Even the Pindi/Isloo locals haven't participated enthusiastically.

PML(N) has seen through IK's bluff. This speech was a desperate attempt to push demands and it back-fired badly. I'm not writing IK off just yet but he needs to strike a deal with the government and end this sit-in as soon as possible. Because his popularity graph is falling down with each passing day.

PAT is the bigger p.i.a for the government. I'm predicting this matter will end amicably within two-days time. Shahbaz Sharif's resignation would be acceptable to both camps. And IK may head the Electoral Reforms committee. Nawaz Sharif won't be going anywhere.

 

[Hammad7741]

This may very well be a pressure tactic, why are we so quick to change or loyalties. Patience and hope.

Yes i know. But i dont think i can support someone from my heart if he/she holds my country as a ransom. There are a thousand other threats (resign from KPK, March towards parliment etc) he couldve just chosen any other. Civil disobedience is saying F*CK YOU to the state

 

[Pink PanthEr]

pti and supporters ka real exam ab hoga,now pti needs your support.

"lotas" and "khoty coins" will quit.It will purify pti.

they must organize and train their lower level ordinary workers and leaders.ik aur baki leadership ko Political science, art of Negotiation, aur Human/political Psychology main crash course krny ki zaroort hy.

i'm serious.imran politician nhi hy and na hi uss ka bachpan sy politics sy relation rha hy, aur pti ki baki team aka JH and shah.mehmood failed pti.

 

[LordIT]

Yes i know. But i dont think i can support someone from my heart if he/she holds my country as a ransom. There are a thousand other threats (resign from KPK, March towards parliment etc) he couldve just chosen any other. Civil disobedience is saying F*CK YOU to the state

Marching towards parliament is a bigger fuck you. It is the symbol of the constitution

 

[LeGenD123]

In current situation the democracy will be looli langdi*
a lot of work needs to be done to make it better and the most important is elimination of corruption. If a party needs to succeed in elections it has to give ticket to powerful influential politicians of that particular area. when a party wins election because of these people then the leadership is forced to serve their demands and overlook their corruption.

See IK he tried hard to get good politicians for party but could only get a few pure ones then he had to compromise on many aspects.

I personaly believe our literacy lvl and social conditions are not right for democracy. Dictatorship is the way forward and that has to be someone from Army to have necessory power and gutts to deal with important decisions.

You are finally getting some picture. I appreciate this.

As I stated in another forum:

Majority of political parties conduct status quo and business oriented politics and keep the masses divided psychologically but have formulated a coalition on the back-end, a political system which favors them on all fronts. When military establishment or an enlightened political party attempts to challenge or derail this system, it backfires.

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yes he has had larger gatherings also. but this time in long march he was unable to get good crowd. PAT has strong presence there.

Long march oriented protest is very difficult to pull off due to logistics problems. Crowd may not be enormous but IK have still pulled off a spectacle in this country and send a warning to all politicians that there can be consequences for wrongdoings. I really applaud him.

Kuch bhi ho, history will remember that Imran Khan attempted to challenge "corrupt nizam" of Pakistan. After this, ball will be in the court of coming generations.

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[Lord AvaLon]

Imran Khan has lost the plot. He doesn't have the numbers or even the support to call for civil disobedience. You can't be sitting in a provincial government and also be part of a disobedience movement against the Federation. One can't be in two beds at once.

IK's speech was a face-saving plea. Crowd numbers have been poor with only significant numbers from Central/Southern Punjab and KPK. There has been little to zero participation from Sindh and Balochistan. Even the Pindi/Isloo locals haven't participated enthusiastically.

PML(N) has seen through IK's bluff. This speech was a desperate attempt to push demands and it back-fired badly. I'm not writing IK off just yet but he needs to strike a deal with the government and end this sit-in as soon as possible. Because his popularity graph is falling down with each passing day.

PAT is the bigger p.i.a for the government. I'm predicting this matter will end amicably within two-days time. Shahbaz Sharif's resignation would be acceptable to both camps. And IK may head the Electoral Reforms committee. Nawaz Sharif won't be going anywhere.

Quite refreshing to see people can actually contribute without using GTFO, dickheads and etc. Your analysis is thorough yet I don't think PTI would be even able to force Shehbaz Shareef swallow the bitter pill.

 

[Lord AvaLon]

5-6k people according to rana mashood.he is mocking and not serious obviously.

the fact is k pti k loog gharoon main hain,pti k failed planning aur wrong timing and rigid demands ki waja say,

aur pti ka crowed PAT sy km hy.

agr PAT ka crowed 50k ho tu pti ka 30-40k max ho ga and it fluctuate.log ghoomny nikl jaty hain.this is according to pro pti channels.

imran ki speech sy app ko andaza hojana Chahiye,k kitny loog hain aur how willing they are to stay there.

Why so adamant to prove that the number of people are lesser than anticipated? What is even the point of discussing it.
Even if there are a thousand man out protesting, it is enough for anyone or government for that matter to understand that their policies have been questioned by people.

 

[Ottoman]

Quite refreshing to see people can actually contribute without using GTFO, dickheads and etc. Your analysis is thorough yet I don't think PTI would be even able to force Shehbaz Shareef swallow the bitter pill.

Little Sharif's resignation would be the government's move to gratify TuQ and his followers. PAT has the moral ground to push for his resignation and I'm sure they will achieve that at the very least.

The best PTI can do is have their way as far as reforms are concerned. And possibly a general election sooner than 2018.

 

[Lord AvaLon]

Little Sharif's resignation would be the government's move to gratify TuQ and his followers. PAT has the moral ground to push for his resignation and I'm sure they will achieve that at the very least.

The best PTI can do is have their way as far as reforms are concerned. And possibly a general election sooner than 2018.

With Shareef's at the helm of affairs, we can nullify any chances of general election to be conducted prior to 2018. Any take over would be another story altogether which I hope none would prefer. TuQ has a history of leaving his follower disappointed and end the party before they could fill their appetite. With the list of demands which is not only long but filled with ambiguities and in contradiction to PTI's demands, I don't see anyone taking him much serious. Another day or two, he would be willing to agree to any notion being thrown at him. Not saying that history will be repeated but if Zardari could do it, anyone can do it.

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Marching towards parliament is a bigger fuck you. It is the symbol of the constitution

It was a fuck you from the start. Now people just want to know who got fucked.

 

[Pink PanthEr]

 

[Ottoman]

With Shareef's at the helm of affairs, we can nullify any chances of general election to be conducted prior to 2018. Any take over would be another story altogether which I hope none would prefer. TuQ has a history of leaving his follower disappointed and end the party before they could fill their appetite. With the list of demands which is not only long but filled with ambiguities and in contradiction to PTI's demands, I don't see anyone taking him much serious. Another day or two, he would be willing to agree to any notion being thrown at him. Not saying that history will be repeated but if Zardari could do it, anyone can do it.

For all his naivety, IK won't let go that easily. If there's one thing people have learned after Qadri's container protest fiasco from last year, it is never to trust a government with its promises.

PTI will ensure there's a guarantee their demands are seen till the end. I hope they have learnt their lesson from past mistakes. What demands they would settle for is pure conjecture on my part right now.

TuQ won't be hoodwinked twice. He has a genuine reason to protest this time as dozens of activists were killed. The Punjab government only made things harder for themselves (and easier for him) by giving his protest legitimacy. I still maintain he isn't acting off his own accord but the scenario is such that he can't be brushed off as a nobody.

 

[LeGenD123]

Yaar, "civil disobedience" mantra is just a pressure tactic. IK can be jazbati but not stupid.

 

[Lord AvaLon]

For all his naivety, IK won't let go that easily. If there's one thing people have learned after Qadri's container protest fiasco from last year, it is never to trust a government with its promises.

PTI will ensure there's a guarantee their demands are seen till the end. I hope they have learnt their lesson from past mistakes. What demands they would settle for is pure conjecture on my part right now.

TuQ won't be hoodwinked twice. He has a genuine reason to protest this time as dozens of activists were killed. The Punjab government only made things harder for themselves (and easier for him) by giving his protest legitimacy. I still maintain he isn't acting off his own accord but the scenario is such that he can't be brushed off as a nobody.

Very true that the government this time around gave him a reason. Moreover, the dimensions of his party workers exceed much farther than politics and that worries everyone. But I don't think so government would be able to act on his wishlist even if willing to. Here your prediction about the resignation from CM may fit the bill but that too seem far fetched. This family has been hungry for power for too long to give it away and this is the last serving terms for elder brother.

 

[Lord AvaLon]

Yaar, "civil disobedience" mantra is just a pressure tactic. IK can be jazbati but not stupid.

Seems like a back foot play rather than pressure building tactic by IK. With lazy government such as ours, nobody care for implications in future but the cards in hand. Lets see how things unfold.

 

[Mmac360]

PTI SUPPORTERS BEFORE ELECTION : "WHAT HAS PML-N DONE IN PUNJAB? NOTHING! LOADSHEDDING BOHAT HAI AUR METRO BUS BANANAY SE KUCH NAHIN HOTA"
PTI SUPPORTERS NOW : "Do remember that KPK's Govt can do NOTHING on its own."

 

[GloriousChicken]

"LETS F*CK PAKISTAN MARCH"

:tv:

hes dumb.

Yaar, "civil disobedience" mantra is just a pressure tactic. IK can be jazbati but not stupid.

Off Topic:
HEIL THE GLORIOUS MANGO.

 

[abobobilly]

Our people are quick to judge, and change parties. Hardly surprising :tv:

Anyway, i also found this very educating because i also did not know how this "Civil Disobedience" card could be played. (Ignore the opening/closing song, if you could :S)
[video=facebook;10152365006484527]https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152365006484527[/video]

 

[LordIT]

I dont see what the problem with Civil Disobedience is. Yes, its a wild card. Its fucking insane, but it was only to put pressure on the govt to get his demand.

If PTI supporter had stood by it, the government would have been out and about within a week. PTI supporter is not a blind follower, but a thinker.. however we need to realize that they needed support to put pressure on the government. The media can fuck itself as long as the supporters remain faithful and trust his decision.

 

[babloo]

PTI , PAT , AML , I saw the powa of the Panther , But for who ? lol keep it underlocked until further orders .