MULTI Arkane Austin reveal Redfall (Game Pass, Summer 2022)

[Necrokiller]

Almost every first party launch title on Gamepass (as of yet) gives more and more merit to Sony's argument of hurting the quality of games. Redfall and Halo seem to be a clear example of that. I love how passionate Phil Spencer is for Xbox and Gamepass but I wonder how long can we keep our trust in him given that we have seen almost nothing that comes close to Sony's offerings in terms of quality.

That logic should also extend to Hi-Fi Rush which is one of the best games released this year. I do agree, however, that MS should reconsider the level of autonomy studios have over the bigger AAA releases.

MS could have technically delayed Redfall further for polish but the core of the game wouldn't have changed which they had nothing to do with. Deathloop would've launched on Game Pass as well if it wasn't a timed exclusive. Redfall was greenlit by Bethesda and has been in development well before MS acquired them. It feels like what Warner Bros is asking Rocksteady to do i.e. creating MP oriented games chasing trends that the studios are not particularly well suited for.

 

[Necrokiller]

Still, I don't believe UE4 is to blame for sub-par performance.

Firstly, traversal stutter occurs when moving between different sections of a map. This is a side-effect of how Unreal Engine 4 handles open world environments and it occurs on every platform including PC

CerebralTiger likes to believe these problems only exist on PC, but that's factually incorrect and the engine is to be blamed here.

 

[venom]

It feels like what Warner Bros is asking Rocksteady to do i.e. creating MP oriented games chasing trends that the studios are not particularly well suited for.

THIS. This is exactly what this game feels like and I agree no amount of polish could have made this game any better. It just feels like something the developers were forced to make against their passion and strengths.

Hi-Fi rush was an excellent game but Xbox needs it's own God of War, Spiderman, Horizon etc and Redfall, at least for me, was just that and it miserably failed at it. I'm pretty sure that Bethesda is to be blamed but someone at MS must have seen the state of this game and gave it a green light and that's what bothers me the most.

 

[CerebralTiger]

The only thing getting tarnished here is [..]

Just remembered the name of another favorite studio of Necrokiller's. Larian! Waiting to see how Baldur's Gate 3 turns out

CerebralTiger likes to believe these problems only exist on PC, but that's factually incorrect and the engine is to be blamed here.

But UE4 games stutter much, much less on consoles, as per Necrokiller's fav NX Gamer

 

[Necrokiller]

But UE4 games stutter much, much less on consoles

Traversal stutter is an engine problem. They're gonna be "much much less" on configurations with more horse power than the consoles

 

[CerebralTiger]

Nah, Alex found major traversal stutters on an i9-12900K that aren't there or are much less intense on consoles in Jedi: Survivor, Dead Space, Ghostwire Tokyo, and Sifu. There are more examples, of course

Heck, they aren't even there on Fortnite running on UE5 on PS5 and Series X, yet they are on PC. YIKES!

 

[Necrokiller]

Nah, Alex found major traversal stutters on an i9-12900K

I mean, you're just exposing how broken UE4 is. Can't argue with that

"much less" is a pretty desperate excuse for someone who values Alex's opinion since he can't stand stutter at ALL

[DF] Redfall Xbox Series X/S - DF Tech Review - Big Issues And Unfulfilled Potential

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aXo7ZamM04

www.resetera.com

"garbo tier" on console. YIKESSSS

 

[CerebralTiger]

I mean, Dead Space runs on Frostbite, RE4 runs on RE Engine, and Dying Light 2 runs on Chrome Engine, but ok

 

[Necrokiller]

I mean, Dead Space runs on Frostbite, RE4 runs on RE Engine

Both stutters on consoles too

, and Dying Light 2 runs on Chrome Engine, but ok

Alex is a huge DL2 PC version fan, so there's that

 

[Chandoo]

JEASUS

 

[CerebralTiger]

Both stutters on consoles too

But the intensity of stutters is much less in both cases on consoles, as seen in Alex's coverage

Regardless, clearly not a UE4 only issooooue

Alex is a huge DL2 PC version fan, so there's that

He's a fan of its suite of RT features, but also pointed out the traversal stutter, which aren't all that frequent. Therefore, I can understand why he's a fan

 

[Necrokiller]

But the intensity of stutters

LOL @ intensity. Alex literally just called traversal stutters in UE4 "garbo tier".

Kabhi judder, stutter, kabhi bottleneck....CerebralTiger's goal posts moving never ends

He's a fan of its suite of RT features, but also pointed out the traversal stutter, which aren't all that frequent. Therefore, I can understand why he's a fan

He doesn't care about any of that if the performance suffers, soooooooooo

 

[Necrokiller]

I'll have greater appreciation for that developer's games now that they'll run on a far more competent engine

Good job by Alex picking 2 recent current gen only UE4 games as examples.

THIS is why UE5 needs CDPR's expertise in designing an open world engine

 

[Radical]

59 on the meta.

Wattay Exclooooozive, man!

 

[Danish_karachi]

59 on the meta.

Wattay Exclooooozive, man!

Hahaha...Game pass and Xbawks are a big joke.

 

[Danish_karachi]

Stuttering in games is due to the way UE engine handles shader compilation. The stuttering is worse on PC as per most 'expert' reviewers such as DF because shader compilation happens in the background with most PC ports.

Console games ship with Shader Compilations already in place. So there is less stuttering.

Simple explanation.

Personally, I prefer less stuttering to high FPS as it takes the fun out of gaming.

And that's the reason I think investing $3000+ on a gaming rig is a dumb move.

 

[Necrokiller]

Stuttering in games is due to the way UE engine handles shader compilation. The stuttering is worse on PC as per most 'expert' reviewers such as DF because shader compilation happens in the background with most PC ports.

Console games ship with Shader Compilations already in place. So there is less stuttering.

Simple explanation.

Personally, I prefer less stuttering to high FPS as it takes the fun out of gaming.

And that's the reason I think investing $3000+ on a gaming rig is a dumb move.

For all its technical faults, Digital Foundry did not find any shader compilation stutter in Redfall.

 

[Radical]

FF 16 is also NOT open world!

Strange. Maybe becuase it is on UE 4 ?

Makes sense, I guess.

 

[Danish_karachi]

For all its technical faults, Digital Foundry did not find any shader compilation stutter in Redfall.

Shader compilation stutters are present according to PCGamer review even after the patch.

I was almost ready to declare Redfall another PC performance disaster, but a last-minute patch might've saved it

Redfall's day one patch drastically improved performance for me after a poor pre-release showing.

www.pcgamer.com

 

[Radical]

4090 fazool hay, aag laga do!