MULTI 2011 Year-To-Date Console Hardware Sales

[sshah]

@ Chandoo xbox's main audience aren't shooter lovers? My god, I must have missed the shit load of sales that trash Halo made. And that excrement XIII is not MY JRPG as much as 360 is your only life force.

And I wonder how much XIII sold on 360? Not to good. And I am dying to see those dark souls sales as well after a year or so.

 

[hasanJ]

.. and yet, I have NEVER seen you get banned, NEVER.

Chandoo has been banned numerous times before

This thread and the discussion going on is very strange

2008: Chandoo (PS3) vs Everbody Else (360)
Single handedly defending a piece of Hardware that was as abysmal as it gets regarding sales and launch titles

2011: Chandoo (360) vs Everybody Else (PS3)
Single handedly defending a piece of Hardware that peaked and is now declining

U Sir are A LEGEND (sm1)

I dont care if Sony gave PS3 to all those companies for free. The thing is, it is powerful than 360. Why dont

PS3 CPU > 360 CPU
PS3 GPU < 360 GPU

 

[sshah]

^ Funny all those hardware capabilties never seem to show themselves in exclusives. Must be a glich in the entire system.

 

[hasanJ]

^ Funny all those hardware capabilties never seem to show themselves in exclusives. Must be a glich in the entire system.

this just in
Consoles have good looking graphics (sm1)

 

[Chandoo]

@ Chandoo xbox's main audience aren't shooter lovers? My god, I must have missed the shit load of sales that trash Halo made. And that excrement XIII is not MY JRPG as much as 360 is your only life force.

And I wonder how much XIII sold on 360? Not to good. And I am dying to see those dark souls sales as well after a year or so.

You do realize the same "shooters" you're talking about like COD and such are also some of the highest selling PS3 games too right ? If Black Ops sold 5 million on 360 in its first month, it also sold 3 million on PS3 too (source). The difference attributed to the natural difference of consoles in households.

FFXIII's first month was a 800k and 500k on PS3 and 360, (source) not too shabby for a game associated with one platform beforehand, and a game like Dark Souls is not going to be breaking any sales ground, but like Catherine, having a game like that on a single platform is nothing short of sales suicide in the first place, just look at how Atlus gained their biggest selling game in Catherine by releasing it on both 360 and PS3 in the US, something that would be neigh impossible had it been exclusive to either one (source)


@hasan

I like a good challenge (sm1)

 

[sshah]

^ And you also realize that many of the other genres have been reduced to niche market, because of over-flowing shooters popularity? EU and USA are mostly target audience for shooters, so nobody should be surprised when any game for the this genre sells nicley. My original point was motsly variety and freshness, which Nintendo and Sony both seem to offer much more than MS.

this just in
Consoles have good looking graphics (sm1)

No, just about everything; physics, many things happening on screen, effects... the list is pretty big.

 

[Chandoo]

^ And you also realize that many of the other genres have been reduced to niche market, because of over-flowing shooters popularity? EU and USA are mostly target audience for shooters, so nobody should be surprised when any game for the this genre sells nicley. My original point was motsly variety and freshness, which Nintendo and Sony both seem to offer much more than MS.

If you're going to say Move and Wiimote are the "variety and freshness" that the PS3 and Wii offer, I would point you to the Kinect and its completely unique take on video gaming, no matter how much fun people might poke at it, the games on Kinect are only possible on Kinect.

Where as, as I stated before, most games are already multiplatform so I'm not sure what this diversity you speak of is .. if you're specifically citing Japanese games then I can also point you to a dozen or so completely obscure shmups or other crazy shit ouf of Japan (gal gun anyone ?) that's exclusive to the 360 in those regions too ....

MY original point being, diversity is dead, there has been no other time of console parity like this in any other console generation .. and shooters are the highest selling genre of games across the big 3 (the third not being wii here if you didnt get it).. and market trends are what lead to what games are becoming, not singular consoles.

 

[hasanJ]

No, just about everything; physics, many things happening on screen, effects... the list is pretty big.

List the List brosky (sm1)

Multiplat Games look better on 360
First Party Exclusives which take quite a few years to develop look good on PS3 as they are optimized for that platform

Third Party Devs which are prevalent on 360 do not take out the time to Optimize Games for their platform
the main aim for Third Party Games is to sell and sell fast

 

[sshah]

God, not this again. I disagree with the majority. Please bring me any game with Heavy Rain contant rain effects, ending up looking that fucking good., whose textures are smooth as butter like they are on Uncharted, who has beautiful character models and jaw dropping dar distances of semaless water falls and land scapes like in heavenly sword, the level of physics in kill zone. Any game. And this is just a very small list. XIII developed from the ground up looks much much better on Ps3 than its 360 counter part. I can't emphisize enough that the link you threw at me, is a load of BS.

 

[Chandoo]

@hasan there are exceptions to that as well, Rage, developed by the god of tech Carmack himself, in development for about as long as this console generation is .. has a very strong console bias in terms of performance in the final version.

God, not this again. I disagree with the majority. Please bring me any game with Heavy Rain contant rain effects, ending up looking that fucking good., whose textures are smooth as butter like they are on Uncharted, who has beautiful character models and jaw dropping dar distances of semaless water falls and land scapes like in heavenly sword, the level of physics in kill zone. Any game. And this is just a very small list. XIII developed from the ground up looks much much better on Ps3 than its 360 counter part. I can't emphisize enough that the link you threw at me, is a load of BS.
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Again, the strength of the 360 is in its multiplatform titles because MS doesn't exactly have the greatest first party ever. Red Dead is on the 360 is a better looking game than most of the one's you've mentioned above, and it has probably the best thunderstorms in any game ever. Similarly as I mentioned above, Rage, a game in development for oh i dont know half a dozen years has a strong console bias despite being developed on all platforms simultaneously.

FFXIII was created on the PS3, then ported to the 360 in a span of 3 months, obviously it wouldnt be the greatest turn around of all time. The only reason I won't mention Gears 3 here is because it has stiff robotic characters, otherwise the IQ, lighting etc is on par with if not better than the best games across the board. Also, Crysis. Yes Haters are gonna hate, but the console versions again besides being "better than PC version" according to the creators themselves, have a strong bias in console parity as well.

About the only game I'd agree is a visual masterpiece that i'd really like to see a dev recreate across multiple platforms is Killzone 3, besides that there's not much that visually impresses to the point of "clearly this was made specifically for so and so hardware".

 

[sshah]

It is because of the hardware similarities between 360 and a Pc. Multi games are developed on PC and hence end up looking better on 360, and PS3 gets the worse end of the stick due to the architecture difference. So yes, I have no disagreements with you there, but people generally buy a console for the exclusives, I mean why would anyone buy PS3 to play baynotta, or buy a 360 solely to play let's say Catherine? While I admit the other perks the consoles offer are of course there, exclsuives usually do warrent a sale for gaming hardware.

Red dead is...what in the what? Never mind, we disagree on this, so there is no point in even pushing this forward. So, you DO find something attractive on PS3? Cup-sagged-cakes, you shouldn't have?

 

[Chandoo]

Red dead is...what in the what?

One of the greatest games of all the and the rightful runner up to 2010's Game of the Year awards* ? The high praises it got in the form of reviews, awards and inevitably, sales, back my point (sm1)

*

Spoiler: show

I know you're reading this CerebralTiger

 

[sshah]

^ I find it funny when you bring up the same line, 'back up my point' when it comes to reviews, when they are also a mere opinion by a geeky gamer. And as for the greatest game EVA made, different strokes for different folks, because you know how I loathe RE4 with passion, and to you it is a lenthy mental masturbation of odd kinds.

 

[hasanJ]

It is because of the hardware similarities between 360 and a Pc. Multi games are developed on PC and hence end up looking better on 360, and PS3 gets the worse end of the stick due to the architecture difference.

Multiplat Games are developed with the Conventional CPU+GPU setup in Mind and hence tend to look better on 360

PS3 Exclusives are developed with the Cell Processor in mind and hence tend to look better than its Multiplat Games

 

[USUF]

who has beautiful character models and jaw dropping dar distances of semaless water falls and land scapes like in heavenly sword, the level of physics in kill zone.

Reach is a worthy contender of everything you've just said....

Character models

Spoiler: show

Draw Distance

Spoiler: show

Every last thing (even the dish) is real world geometry and is ACTUALLY as far as it seems. You can check DF's analysis which i'm sure you won't.


Physics

Spoiler: show

Its a normal grenade explosion where every last spark and debris particle is being rendered in real-time with per-object motion blur on each particle. Every one of those particles has physics being applied to them and EACH one of them collide and bounce of the world geometry. Source: DF's analysis.

The best part? The particle effects system in Reach is solely handled by the Xenos GPU with no help from the Tri-core processor whatsoever and the system is able to handle upto 24,000 colliding particles within a given FOV in Reach.

Source: DF's analysis.

 

[sshah]

A three year old game looks THIS good on the super compressed youtube video. Play this game on a proper HD screen to see the difference. I swear it, those Halo models look unimpressive, and I can say the same for that draw distance screen.

 

[hasanJ]

U guys have NOT seem what good Graphics look like

 

[Serious Sam]

haha Chandoo implying...

Cant you see that its you implying something on me, that you are? A fanboy. I dont even own a PS3.... So fail.

What Mr.Chandoo you are not comprehending is the power of PS3 hardware. You are hell bent on giving me crap about 'bla bla bla software designed for specific bla bla'.

What is it? X360 is like total 10% Powerful on paper?

Historically afaik ATI always lead, on paper, compared to nVidia. X360 ATI> PS3 nVidia.

But i am talking about real world performance. Its PS3 which will come out as a winner. and as a total package, its a no brainer. Ps3 it is.

 

[faraany3k]

USUF dont bring HALO as a technical benchmark for a 360. Its kind of a funny.

And its pretty funny Xbots have to resort to technicalities while ignoring cold hard fact. PS3 is out selling your shit.

 

[hasanJ]

Agree on the Halo part

But 360 has been leading the sales for years now
its only until recently PS3 has caught up

where was PS3 Sales in 2007? 2008? 2009? 2010?