Do you guys think it would be immoral for a Pakistani to Join US ARMY?

yasir777 said:

why? I am a Pakistani Citizen and I am eligible to join US military and I am in the process but I fear too much hatred from Pakistani people.

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I've personally known 3 Pakis who've joined US Army.

There is nothing wrong with that.

You shouldn't be ashamed of your choices.

And you shouldn't let any overly emotional immature morons make you feel any different.

As far as the racist/segregation issues are concerned, its all about WHERE you join.

Southern states, bible belt would not take kindly to a brownie like you signing up obviously.

However, the people I know are from Texas & california and they're doing just fine.

Military is military(Pak, US, China or Sudan). It consists of soldiers; people who had certain mindset that attracted them to such a profession. There are always some a**holes in every army who start doing shit because they have power and the chances of them being accountable are remote(although quite a lot of people in other fields also have this attitude, the difference being that they don't get the opportunity as often).

But generally speaking, it is not these soldiers who are murderers. They are just carrying out their duty. They get their orders, and they get it done. Sometimes the orders might by right or sometimes wrong(some times with ill intent and some times without) for example Iraq. But if you look at whom they are fighting, it makes it even or rather in favour of the army.

Just out of curiosity, how is it possible for someone who is not a US citizen to join the us army (from your post I am assuming you are there on a student visa and are not a dual national)?

If it is that simple, students from Pakistan and other developing countries would start joining the army in droves as a shortcut to get US citizenship

If this decision helps you get settled, you may give it a try. However, joining army means business. You may not agree with US policies but you will be expected to obey orders as per your oath if you join US army. Tough training procedures and experiences in battles might influence your mindset in the long run but a strong person believes in himself, have goals in life, and prepares for potential challenges.

If you have what it takes to be a soldier and can handle the challenges associated with this kind of life-style, then take the chance.

One more thing, whatever you do, you will be always judged (positively and negatively). However, think about your life and career (first) and stop caring about how others perceive you in regard to your choices; critics aren't going to build your career, they will simply drag you down or discourage you. If you think that you can have a career in USA, then pursue your ambition.

In Pakistan, you might be criticized for this decision, but unless you are planning to return to Pakistan, you should not worry. You live in USA and you need to make choices to be successful in life in that country, like in any country.

Be Ready for Killing innocent muslim :mushy: and then we will read the book written by you
like there was a Drone operator guy confessed about US drone program and his killings

Pleasant said:

Be Ready for Killing innocent muslim :mushy: and then we will read the book written by you
like there was a Drone operator guy confessed about US drone program and his killings

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It is not wise to generalize about military operations in this manner.

Taliban, Al-Qaeda and ISIS types are far from innocent.

LeGenD123 said:

It is not wise to generalize about military operations in this manner.

Taliban, Al-Qaeda and ISIS types are far from innocent.

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kill terrorist don't kill innocents in the name of Collateral damage

bro to be honest. ak bt btayn agar ksi moqy pe hmari us se koi prob ho jay to kia ap apni he zameen pe apne logn ka khon baha saken gy?? Emaan taqwa jahad fee sabililah. Fear Allah live for Allah and Die for Allah. u are Educated then why not Pakistan army?? Us Army sirf technology me aage ha hm se lekin spirit me bht peeche.

Armies fighting internationally are dangerous place , don't care about people say here to you , people there won't take you lightly you will face racism etc , people of south are far more good my cousin who is US born is from Texas he got enrolled in army cause it's part of there law I guess and went on tour of Afghanistan , he faced some racism but not from his boot camp in South but from upside Yankee people , although he came back from half tour cause he has some health issues and his family won the case in court of not sending him cause of health issue .

I say join it if ur doing it for nationality etc after some time leave it simple as that and pursue ur uni degree field .
cause USA mostly fight those who they armed first like these days ISIS first they armed them in Syria by the name of rebels now will use them as false flag to throw out Assad govt ,for there Middle East financiers aka Saudia Arabia .

To answer the OP.

It is not immoral. You should do what you think is best for you. If you think this move will help your career, go for it. Just make sure that there aren't any hurdles in between, as in you don't end up regretting your decision.

This thread reminded me of some thing i had read quite some time ago.

'In Death, A Marine Gets His Life Wish'

In death, the first U.S. serviceman to be killed in combat in Gulf War 2 will receive what he always wanted in life: American citizenship. Marine Lance Corporal Jose Gutirrez was shot in the chest as his unit took heavy fire in the Iraqi port of Umm Qasr. Everyone believed he was 22. But his true age is part of a story of epic persistence that took him from Guatemala to Los Angeles, from the life of an orphan to the life of a Marine.

In 1997, the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service picked up a baby-faced young man. Gutirrez claimed he was only 16 and eligible for asylum. The usually unbending INS believed him and let him stay. It had been a lie, but it was hardly the most extreme thing Gutierrez had done in his life. He had been born in Guatemala in 1974 but his parents died while he was very young during the countrys brutal civil war. His sister Engracia, just four years his senior, was his only remaining family and he lived on the streets of the capital, Guatemala City. In 1982, at the age of eight, social workers took him to live at a home for orphaned boys, Casa Alianza, the Latin American arm of the New York-based Covenant House. He spent more than 10 years there, receiving good grades studying technical drawing. Says Casa Alianza executive director Bruce Harris: The kids who have lived on the street and have survived are real go getters.

After a fight with a teacher at Casa Alianza when he was 16, he ran away, spending another 18 months on the streets where, says Harris, he would get high sniffing glue to try and forget how hungry and lonely he was. He found work as a baker and then as a sewing machine operator in a sweat shop. He even managed to keep up his studies. It was partly the love of Engracia that kept him going. In 1996, he set off on a 2,000 mile journey north, through Mexico on foot and by hitchhking rides and catching freight trains until he reached California. He promised Engracia that he would find a way to bring her up north to join him one day. Says Lillian Cardenas, who would become his foster sister in the United States: He had nothing, no money, just the will for a better life.

After winning asylum, Gutirrez shuffled between foster homes and was eventually placed with Marcelo and Nora Mosquera, themselves immigrants from Latin America. The Mosqueras, who have three biological children of their own, have raised 30 foster children. And so the Guatemalan orphan who had barely a family suddenly had a tribe of foster siblings. Still, he never forgot Engracia and the hardships she continued to live with in Guatemala. He would send her $20 or $30 whenever he could. Gutirrez went to high school and community college, and dreamed of being an architect. But, on the advice of a foster brother, he joined the military. There was a reward he hoped to claim by joining the armed services: citizenship. And once he was an American, hed be able to bring his sister over. He became a Marine less than a year before he died, joining the infantry as a rifleman in the First Marine Division, based at Camp Pendleton, California.

He embarked for Kuwait on board the U.S.S. Rushmore in early January. The last time he wrote to his foster mother he complained he couldnt keep the sand out of his tent or food. Less than a month later he was dead.

The day after he was killed, a chaplain and several military men arrived at the home of his foster parents in Lomita, just south of Los Angeles. My mom had heard on the news that day that two Marines had gone down that day,says Cardenas, And so she asked if one of them was her son, and they said yes.

On that same day, at 2 a.m., officials from the U.S. Embassy in Guatemala arrived at the home of his birth sister, Engracia, now 32. It was difficult to believe, she told the Associated Press, I thought it was a mistake. Gutirrezs body now lies at Dover Air Force Base, Delaware, while arrangements are made to return him to Guatemala. His foster parents will travel there for the funeral and his sister is planning to come to California next week for a memorial service.

In honor of his military service and death in combat, federal authorities have made him eligible for posthumous citizenship. All that needs to be done is for his next of kin to take his death certificate and $80 to an immigration office and Gutirrez will become an American. Had Gutirrez lived, his dream for his sister could have come true. She would have qualified to immigrate to the U.S. had he been naturalized. But that dream died with Jos Gutirrez in Iraq.

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In my personal opinion one is better off staying away from Military organizations of all kinds be it American, Pakistani or Private organizations.

But if you really wanna join the US army and you can then go for it. Like you said, it'll help you out alot and might end up being a good experience.

It is immoral to join any military in the world.

Morality differs from person to person so I'll hold my judgement on your situation.

There was a Pakistan-origin US Army doctor who set up a medical camp in the aftermath of the 2005 Earthquake.

I think it would be important to weigh your options. Is US citizenship really that prized that you wouldn't mind fulfilling orders where you might end up killing scores of innocents? I'm sure there are other sides to the story as well but just putting one perspective out there.

After joining the US Army, you'll have to make sure when you do go to wars, you don't fight against fellow Muslims or do any acts forbidden in Islam.
It's wrong to fight Muslims. And I'm not talking about the likes of ISIS. I mean Muslims like in the Pakistan or Saudi army. Or the Taliban forces in Afghanistan. If you disobey orders, you're gonna be in trouble.
Also, US Army has a history of mistaking innocent people for terrorists. Like [MENTION=6068]Ottoman[/MENTION] said, is the citizenship worth fighting innocents?