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Zeus MK

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And loosing someone like that literally destroys you. Speaking from experience.

Anyways I thought I'd post a serious post here for once.

I have this theory I'd like to share with you guys, tell me what you think.

Theory is, the way our society is structured right now is quite dangerous for our youth, we're stuck between following the west and being Muslims.

Scenario 1:
We live in a completely Muslim society, mutual respect for the other sex, early marriages, emphasis on education, other traditional islamic teachings.

Scenario 2: We live in a completely western society, very late marriages, sex before marriage bla bla.

And the way our society is structured is kind of inbetween those two "cultures" and as a result any path you choose is just painful.

1) Have gfs and bfs leads to inner guilt and societal pressure BUT you cant not have relationships because it is human nature.
2) Marry off your children early but then we have this misconception that marriages lead to problems with education of women because you have early children etc none of which is necessary really, you can make early marriages work if you are open minded.

SO my question is, dont you think it'd be better if we just stuck to one ideology rather than stay inbetween those two and cause unnecessary pain and suffering?

I've always been against early marriages but recently I'm really starting to see its merits, keeping genders apart for as long as we do in our society is just destructive. We may progress in material ways but as far as relationships go, the state of our society is no better than the west, men and women rarely understand each other mostly so because you dont LIVE together, you perceive the other sex as aliens in fear instead of realizing they are just like you.

I know I haven't voiced it in the best way but I hope some people get my point :p
Marriage is a different topic..
A person can marry even without love.. have intercourse, children.. normal life and so forth

But i would like to Add here that the reason you witness this disruption in our society is partly because of economical break downs (Less Jobs, High competition and desperation) and mainly because people have infuriated their expectations of lifestyle (yeah il call my self made when il earn 1K+ via a job and have a 1600cc Car and a Bungalow in some hot zone at my personal expense and then il think about marriage..)

and built up a goal to be achieved before marriage to "Live Up to the society and Standards" because of this negative competition.. (Yeah, i must have a good life style and earning than him before marriage or il lose and my friends and family would curse me..)

and what actually happens is that this fantasy takes away that man's 30-35 Years , still most of them wind up not achieving it and yet losing a very important period of life when he should have kids about 10 year old kids by now.. but now he is thinking of getting married, and he does.. 20 years later when the man is 55 and now is in the verge of dropping down due to retirement his son is only 19-18 and it will take not only time (almost 5-6 years) but a whole lot of money to get him through proper education.. now the man understand what mistake he has done, that mistake is cursing him because the effects are not limited to him but his whole family.. he is at pressure now but mostly his son is at maximum pressure and that 19 year old kid is worried to death about his parents and how would he manage to get the whole Abuses will lead to banin family to rise up again on his shoulder at his age as early as possible.. as early as possible.. as early as possible and the poor kid is drifting in insanity now..
---Following is an example of a Ravaged life cycle chain^ caused by a man waiting to get rich and being late in marriage and the results are so much worst then the few starting cream years of his marriage.


what my perspective is that the man should aim to achieve his academic targets and to get a Decent job by 24-25 Max and by 25 he should get married even if he thinks he haven't got the luxuries he desire..
if a man is does achieve his targets before hand like 23 he should go for it too..
This period is the peak of a man's pubertal cycle and he is also fit and our religion also encourages to do so as soon as possible, now what really happens is that..
The man is married at 25, he'l have a boy who would see his young and fit father, they'l enjoy their life to the maximum, after a long ride of 30 years now the man is 55 and at the verge of retirement but he has no worries because he is already a grand father by now and his son who is almost 29-30 by now is made and the family is prosperous as it should be.. the systematic life cycle chain is maintained..

so my sincere message to all those who have crossed 25 and still striving for luxuries is to stop this race and get hitched. it'l be better for your Kids.

People are so afraid that how would their family survive without the proper luxuries.. my answer to that is that luxuries are what you want but not need.. if your needs are fulfilled, which can be fulfilled even if a man wisely spends on a salary as low as 25-30K in this time you can maintain a living and go forth step by step, but i would say that education should not be compromised.. the man should have Decent Professional Degree(s) before hand to be successful in long term and then experience will channel through it to make it better as time goes by. just believe in yourself by Believing in GOD and go for it!
 

GloriousChicken

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24 is when the body development comes to a complete stop
and after it, you start getting old.
So yes, its an early age to get married.
 

Syavash

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Marriage is a different topic..
A person can marry even without love.. have intercourse, children.. normal life and so forth

But i would like to Add here that the reason you witness this disruption in our society is partly because of economical break downs (Less Jobs, High competition and desperation) and mainly because people have infuriated their expectations of lifestyle (yeah il call my self made when il earn 1K+ via a job and have a 1600cc Car and a Bungalow in some hot zone at my personal expense and then il think about marriage..)

and built up a goal to be achieved before marriage to "Live Up to the society and Standards" because of this negative competition.. (Yeah, i must have a good life style and earning than him before marriage or il lose and my friends and family would curse me..)

and what actually happens is that this fantasy takes away that man's 30-35 Years , still most of them wind up not achieving it and yet losing a very important period of life when he should have kids about 10 year old kids by now.. but now he is thinking of getting married, and he does.. 20 years later when the man is 55 and now is in the verge of dropping down due to retirement his son is only 19-18 and it will take not only time (almost 5-6 years) but a whole lot of money to get him through proper education.. now the man understand what mistake he has done, that mistake is cursing him because the effects are not limited to him but his whole family.. he is at pressure now but mostly his son is at maximum pressure and that 19 year old kid is worried to death about his parents and how would he manage to get the whole Abuses will lead to banin family to rise up again on his shoulder at his age as early as possible.. as early as possible.. as early as possible and the poor kid is drifting in insanity now..
---Following is an example of a Ravaged life cycle chain^ caused by a man waiting to get rich and being late in marriage and the results are so much worst then the few starting cream years of his marriage.


what my perspective is that the man should aim to achieve his academic targets and to get a Decent job by 24-25 Max and by 25 he should get married even if he thinks he haven't got the luxuries he desire..
if a man is does achieve his targets before hand like 23 he should go for it too..
This period is the peak of a man's pubertal cycle and he is also fit and our religion also encourages to do so as soon as possible, now what really happens is that..
The man is married at 25, he'l have a boy who would see his young and fit father, they'l enjoy their life to the maximum, after a long ride of 30 years now the man is 55 and at the verge of retirement but he has no worries because he is already a grand father by now and his son who is almost 29-30 by now is made and the family is prosperous as it should be.. the systematic life cycle chain is maintained..

so my sincere message to all those who have crossed 25 and still striving for luxuries is to stop this race and get hitched. it'l be better for your Kids.

People are so afraid that how would their family survive without the proper luxuries.. my answer to that is that luxuries are what you want but not need.. if your needs are fulfilled, which can be fulfilled even if a man wisely spends on a salary as low as 25-30K in this time you can maintain a living and go forth step by step, but i would say that education should not be compromised.. the man should have Decent Professional Degree(s) before hand to be successful in long term and then experience will channel through it to make it better as time goes by. just believe in yourself by Believing in GOD and go for it!
I get your point, though the initial point was not about having kids, I don't see myself having kids even if I do get married early but thats a separate matter. I think you're right about the economic aspect, that does have a major effect. Lets say if this same man lived in a financially stable country he could save more than enough money for his children's education and enjoy life and delay having kids if he so wishes without worrying about any financial consequences. So yes it does kind of boil down to economics but STILL our society has really unrealistic expectations when it comes to the institution of marriage.

I mean the concep of jehaz or dowry as you call it, its such a major thing in our religion that a person with many daughters is literally fucked, instead of focusing on his own life and his children's education he spends his life collecting useless material stuff just so someone will marry his daughter. I mean wtf is this? What man in his right mind is fine with this concept is just beyond me because ussually we give off the impression we are so prideful and honor bound. Just one of the things that baffles me about pakistani society.

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So yes, its an early age to get married.
So is that good or bad in your opinion? :p
 

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I get your point, though the initial point was not about having kids, I don't see myself having kids even if I do get married early but thats a separate matter. I think you're right about the economic aspect, that does have a major effect. Lets say if this same man lived in a financially stable country he could save more than enough money for his children's education and enjoy life and delay having kids if he so wishes without worrying about any financial consequences. So yes it does kind of boil down to economics but STILL our society has really unrealistic expectations when it comes to the institution of marriage.

I mean the concep of jehaz or dowry as you call it, its such a major thing in our religion that a person with many daughters is literally fucked, instead of focusing on his own life and his children's education he spends his life collecting useless material stuff just so someone will marry his daughter. I mean wtf is this? What man in his right mind is fine with this concept is just beyond me because ussually we give off the impression we are so prideful and honor bound. Just one of the things that baffles me about pakistani society.

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So is that good or bad in your opinion? :p

Actually it is really good.
Once you get married in that age.
You can have a few years with your partner alone without any kids to strengthen the relationship and prebuild a life for your childerns/child(by finance planning or something).
and at around 27, you can have your first child.

The child has a win win life.
and the parents be in already win win situation.


This is a win win win win win win win plan. (1)(1)(1)(1)



PS: i think im too young to be saying something like this. :confused:
 

Zeus MK

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I get your point, though the initial point was not about having kids, I don't see myself having kids even if I do get married early but thats a separate matter. I think you're right about the economic aspect, that does have a major effect. Lets say if this same man lived in a financially stable country he could save more than enough money for his children's education and enjoy life and delay having kids if he so wishes without worrying about any financial consequences. So yes it does kind of boil down to economics but STILL our society has really unrealistic expectations when it comes to the institution of marriage.

I mean the concep of jehaz or dowry as you call it, its such a major thing in our religion that a person with many daughters is literally fucked, instead of focusing on his own life and his children's education he spends his life collecting useless material stuff just so someone will marry his daughter. I mean wtf is this? What man in his right mind is fine with this concept is just beyond me because ussually we give off the impression we are so prideful and honor bound. Just one of the things that baffles me about pakistani society.
i dislike this concept.. i don't know much about it's perspective in Islam.. but i think it would be lenient and it should be lenient..
ALLAH does not put any one under unnecessary burden.

i for one does not believe in jehiaz.

because the norms of our savage society has put this aspect to a state of competition too, (Ahmed sahab ney apni beti ko jehaz me new civic di hai ap kia do gey?)
i for one or should i say our family don't believe in jehaz.. we get the offer of jehaz but we refuse it so that we can promote humanity
i say a man should put his dignity into challenge and prove his manhood by neglecting jehaz. I say to myself that i would not take any jehaz instead inshaALLAH il have it enough before hand so that i wouldn't need it.

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Here i may identify to you a sect of our society who literally buy their son in law...
a CA would automatically get 1.5Cr
an ACCA 1Cr
an MBA 90-75lac
and so forth.. Literally they have set their rates..

i will not name that society sect.. i would however identify that they live in our country and they are really known for $$$
but this is really sad.
 

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Here i may identify to you a sect of our society who literally buy their son in law...
a CA would automatically get 1.5Cr
an ACCA 1Cr
an MBA 90-75lac
and so forth.. Literally they have set their rates..

i will not name that society sect.. i would however identify that they live in our country and they are really known for $$$
but this is really sad.
You just solved all the problems of my life and gave me a new perspective about my 'self worth'. I want to get married right now. Or maybe after I complete my masters. Hopefully a degree from abroad would push me beyond the 75-90 lac bracket :laugh1:
 
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i dislike this concept.. i don't know much about it's perspective in Islam.. but i think it would be lenient and it should be lenient..
ALLAH does not put any one under unnecessary burden.

i for one does not believe in jehiaz.

because the norms of our savage society has put this aspect to a state of competition too, (Ahmed sahab ney apni beti ko jehaz me new civic di hai ap kia do gey?)
i for one or should i say our family don't believe in jehaz.. we get the offer of jehaz but we refuse it so that we can promote humanity
i say a man should put his dignity into challenge and prove his manhood by neglecting jehaz. I say to myself that i would not take any jehaz instead inshaALLAH il have it enough before hand so that i wouldn't need it.
i think jehaiz (dowry) is the most mis-used, mis-understood and mis-treated Islamic concept in our society.
 

Zeus MK

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You just solved all the problems of my life and gave me a new perspective about my 'self worth'. I want to get married right now. Or maybe after I complete my masters. Hopefully a foreign degree would push me beyond the 75-90 lac bracket :laugh1:
:)
u should complete a foreign masters degree until then hold your horses for 75-90 is waiting for you to be achieved.

on a serious note.. i think a man should maintain his dignity by not allowing himself to be sold.. one of the reasons why i will not accept any jehaz.

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i think jehaiz (dowry) is the most mis-used, mis-understood and mis-treated Islamic concept in our society.
Precisely.
 

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I know a family who broke their marriage talks just because the other family was asking for Reborn in jehaiz .

In my Opinion they did the right thing because starting relationship on money basis is just wrong, You can't experience a real love that way.
 

Zeus MK

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I know a family who broke their marriage talks just because the other family was asking for Reborn in jehaiz .

In my Opinion they did the right thing because starting relationship on money basis is just wrong, You can't experience a real love that way.
People who think they can buy a relationship and weigh them in terms of cash are the same people who can also sell themselves off (even their honor) and so they are in actually not human beings but commodities which can be bought and sold.
 

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Totally agreed with Zeus MK and Newton, wonder what has happened to the men of our age.

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I know a family who broke their marriage talks just because the other family was asking for Reborn in jehaiz .
I dont even have words to describe how I feel :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

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[MENTION=24345]Zeus MK[/MENTION] , I myself was inclined for a late marriage, getting financially stable first. But your Post#661 , well, I never thought it that way. And [MENTION=13410]Syavash[/MENTION] is also right about a man having daughters... He's screwed in this society. And I hate this culture seriously. But I have seen cases, jisme guy has a very warm feelings for marriage, likn he doesn't earn that much. And how his wife and kids are a burden to his family. What now? To fulfill his s*xual desire, he has married early and now screwed.
 

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I love the Western culture, wahan inheritance ka scene ni hai. When you have a kids, they're supposed to be independent after 18. So you don't have to worry about their lives, marriages etc. They eat what they earn. No concept of building property so they could pass it on to their children.
 
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