[URGENT HELP] New GPU suggestion needed . Old one finally burnt !!

[MrJayPlays]

Allright i had evga GTX 460 for quite a while and today it finally burnt .

Need quick suggestion on what should i get according to my current system specs ?

I got a Core i5 2300 , 4GB ram

Im looking at evga gtx 670 FTW edition its costing me around like 220 pounds here

What you guys suggest ?

[MENTION=1283]hasanJ[/MENTION]@abobobilly

HMS and all other hardware gurus nanaks

 

[Spyder]

[MENTION=16945]HMS1193[/MENTION] [MENTION=24535]Ali Kamran[/MENTION] give your input here!

 

[Ali Kamran]

It really depends on your resolution, if its 1920*1080 then 670 will do just fine. You can also look into 7950 but do keep in mind the driver optimization and issues with Catalyst drivers.

Though I suggest you to wait for GTX 760, it will be priced at the same mark as the GTX 670 you are getting at the moment but will be a tweaked version with GPU Boost 2.0 and faster memory.

 

[MrJayPlays]

Thanks for the input kamran but the thing is that i need on urgent basis to atleast switch on my system . you know what im saying

so GTX 670 it is ?

and yes i have used ATI before and yes their driver issue and game compatibility

and btw will there be any bottleneck issue or my CPU is fine for this card ?

another question whats the size of card btw coz if its bigger then my current GTX 460 then its a NO GO for me my casing is small

 

[Voodoo]

better not to go for a high end card right now bcoz gtx7xx already released, you can get gtx 770 @ 400$, mean you need only to spend around 6k rupeees above

also you may investigate why gtx 460 burnt, any doubt on your PSU ?

If you are in hurry and cannot find gtx 770, and if you are not a regular upgrader and can skip 1~2 generations then gtx 670 not a bad option, you are getting it in much more better price than pak.

but again try to check your PSU, put load (GPU + CPU) on it and check voltages using Multimeter,

 

[Voodoo]

Standard GTX 460 Lenght (including evga 460 sc) = 8.25 inch

Standard GTX 460 Lenght (including evga 460 sc) = 9.5 inch

you can go mini 670 itx Asus GTX 670 DirectCU Mini review | PC Gamer

your PC specs shows Elite 330 , which should support gtx 670 if you manage to instal hard drives at lower places

99.9% no bottleneck in real gaming, might be in benchmarking which you dont care

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see this pic. , 11.1 inch long GPU can be installed in elite 330

 

[MrJayPlays]

thanks voodoo for the input i will see wt to do

 

[hasanJ]

GTX670 will be a huge upgrade and will serve u well

Dunno about prices in Europe but GTX770 could be worth investing into

 

[LiV3 WiR3]

[MENTION=3617]JAYZZY[/MENTION] I'd wait for GTX 7xx if i were you, 670 is gonna be obsolete in a few days, Ek mrtba mey hi top ki cheez pakro!...

 

[kaiser]

My recommendations:

GTX 770:
MSI Geforce GTX 770 Gaming Edition 2048MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card [V282-052R]

7970:
Sapphire HD 7970 OC BOOST 3072MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card [11197-01-40G]

Both cards will serve you well.
Both from overclockers UK. Next day delivery. Have been using them for 9 years. No issues at all.

Oh and by the way. Catalysts driver issues are now a thing of the past.

If you are adventurous, you can go to their showroom in Newcastle Under Lyme, a 2-3 hour train journey.

or if I sound like one of their reps, try:

http://www.ebuyer.com/search?subcat=4106&104=GeForce+GTX+for+Gaming&cat=215&store=2

Though I had one terrible experience with them.

 

[Baghi]

You can also look into 7950 but do keep in mind the driver optimization and issues with Catalyst drivers.

Please.

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sure one title isn't end of all but it's not "just" one.

[MENTION=3617]JAYZZY[/MENTION], the GTX 670 is an absolute beast at stock speeds and only slightly slower than the GTX 680 at same clocks while being a lot cheaper. Keep one thing in mind though, 2GB of vRAM is minimum these days, even on 1080p but it's up to you. In my humble opinion, Radeon HD 7950 is a going to be a better investment. Just me.

Edit: An i5-2300 + 4GB of RAM is enough to drive any high-end single-GPU on the planet. Upgrade your RAM to 8GB down the road, 4GB is bare minimum just like 2GB on the graphics card.

 

[mave3]

bro to be really honest with u..
with what ur specs are....7970 or GFX 7 series..
that will be the best choice for u...
rest upto u bro...!!!

 

[sohaib50k]

That is a sweet price for a 670, the amount of power per watt is really good with the 670.

 

[Ali Kamran]

Thanks for the input kamran but the thing is that i need on urgent basis to atleast switch on my system . you know what im saying

so GTX 670 it is ?

and yes i have used ATI before and yes their driver issue and game compatibility

and btw will there be any bottleneck issue or my CPU is fine for this card ?

another question whats the size of card btw coz if its bigger then my current GTX 460 then its a NO GO for me my casing is small

If you want it urgently then GTX670 it is. And you do not need to worry about the size since a reference PCB of 670 is quite small for a high-end card. You wont have a bottleneck issue with your processor.

Please.

Spoiler: show

I suggest you spend more time on reading and less in writing:

https://www.facebook.com/AMDGaming?ref=stream&hc_location=stream
Game: Get a Taste of Battlefield™ 4 with ... | AMD Blogs
sure one title isn't end of all but it's not "just" one.

@JAYZZY, the GTX 670 is an absolute beast at stock speeds and only slightly slower than the GTX 680 at same clocks while being a lot cheaper. Keep one thing in mind though, 2GB of vRAM is minimum these days, even on 1080p but it's up to you. In my humble opinion, Radeon HD 7950 is a going to be a better investment. Just me.

Edit: An i5-2300 + 4GB of RAM is enough to drive any high-end single-GPU on the planet. Upgrade your RAM to 8GB down the road, 4GB is bare minimum just like 2GB on the graphics card.

Now lets come to your answer. Battlefield 4 is out ? No right, have you experienced it ? No right?... So dont make any judgements based on what the company reps. Yes AMD Gaming's evolved program did improve alot but the drivers issue are still there. And about game optimization, it depends on drivers more than the company optimization the game for their gpus. Read reviews on our site and concentrate on the conclusion of AMD GPUs. So please do your research and then tell me what to do. People like you fall for the marketing schemes.

 

[Baghi]

Describe "issues"? Do you want me to quote ForceWare "Killing GPUs" update? My last 3 cards were Radeons and then I had a chance to test GTX 560 as well, I find them equal. About BF4, we shall see alright? I don't fall in marketing schemes, I'm too mature for this.

[MENTION=3617]JAYZZY[/MENTION], what NVIDIA driver version you had when your GTX 460 died? Most cards 320.18 WHQL took down are reportedly Fermis.

 

[MrJayPlays]

Thanks for the comments guys . really helpfull .

and kaiser about 770 its way over my budget .

Baghi no im using 320.14 drivers . i was getting some weird glitches while i was on a normal session of blackops multipler and when i restarted my system i was getting lines on my screen and all that . after that my pc restarted and nothing came next . Now im on built in VGA

@ everyone : i can wait for GTX 760 but no idea when it will be out here . i can wait a bit and go with my VGA right now but as im on holidays right now so there is nothing other then playing games and going on work at night

and i just checked the website the price for GTX 670 FTW edition is lie 284 pounds .

Any idea about GTX 760 release date ?

 

[Ali Kamran]

Describe "issues"? Do you want me to quote ForceWare "Killing GPUs" update? My last 3 cards were Radeons and then I had a chance to test GTX 560 as well, I find them equal. About BF4, we shall see alright? I don't fall in marketing schemes, I'm too mature for this.

@JAYZZY, what NVIDIA driver version you had when your GTX 460 died? Most cards 320.18 WHQL took down are reportedly Fermis.

I am not saying AMD GPUs are shit, performance wise they are extremely good and in some cases better than NVIDIA. Let me tell you the issues which are very common amongst many AMD users and I personally experienced them.

1) Random BSODs during web browsing, even after fresh installs of Windows. (Used both Genuine Windows 7 & 8).
2) Random crashes during games such as Hitman, Sleeping Dogs, Metro 2033, Crysis 3. (Two of them are part of AMDs Gaming Evolved) 3) Glitches in BF3 and also tearing during multiplayer.
4) Highly unstable drivers, 13.1 Beta 5 worked best for me. Apart from this, every other driver crashed on stock clocks during 3DMark FireStrike Performance preset.

Cards experienced 7970 GHz, 7870XT Joker and 7850. NVIDIA drivers are much stable. Yes 320.18 have caused in dead GPUs but thats mostly in the case of Fermi as you have mentioned very few Kepler GPUs were affected. And this happened like once in 100,000, while there is bound to be an issue in every driver AMD release. Gaming profiles in NVIDIA drivers help a lot as well.
Even AMD's technical support team knows about this issue and trying to be resolve any driver related issues. As you can see scaling has been improved immensely with AMD cards.

Thanks for the comments guys . really helpfull .

and kaiser about 770 its way over my budget .

Baghi no im using 320.14 drivers . i was getting some weird glitches while i was on a normal session of blackops multipler and when i restarted my system i was getting lines on my screen and all that . after that my pc restarted and nothing came next . Now im on built in VGA

@ everyone : i can wait for GTX 760 but no idea when it will be out here . i can wait a bit and go with my VGA right now but as im on holidays right now so there is nothing other then playing games and going on work at night

and i just checked the website the price for GTX 670 FTW edition is lie 284 pounds .

Any idea about GTX 760 release date ?

Wait for GTX 760, it will be released on either June 25th or June 27th. So I suggest you should wait for it.

 

[Spyder]

[MENTION=3617]JAYZZY[/MENTION] [MENTION=24535]Ali Kamran[/MENTION] AMD is shit. Nvidia ftw

/boredfanboyismgoingonhere

 

[Baghi]

I am not saying AMD GPUs are shit, performance wise they are extremely good and in some cases better than NVIDIA. Let me tell you the issues which are very common amongst many AMD users and I personally experienced them.

1) Random BSODs during web browsing, even after fresh installs of Windows. (Used both Genuine Windows 7 & 8).
2) Random crashes during games such as Hitman, Sleeping Dogs, Metro 2033, Crysis 3. (Two of them are part of AMDs Gaming Evolved) 3) Glitches in BF3 and also tearing during multiplayer.
4) Highly unstable drivers, 13.1 Beta 5 worked best for me. Apart from this, every other driver crashed on stock clocks during 3DMark FireStrike Performance preset.

Cards experienced 7970 GHz, 7870XT Joker and 7850. NVIDIA drivers are much stable. Yes 320.18 have caused in dead GPUs but thats mostly in the case of Fermi as you have mentioned very few Kepler GPUs were affected. And this happened like once in 100,000, while there is bound to be an issue in every driver AMD release. Gaming profiles in NVIDIA drivers help a lot as well.
Even AMD's technical support team knows about this issue and trying to be resolve any driver related issues. As you can see scaling has been improved immensely with AMD cards.

Ali Kamran, my friend. This generation, NVIDIA has as much driver issues. 320.18 WHQL is just worst of all whilst AMD's 12.11 were simply the best IMO. 320.18 WHQL just doesn't kills cards but are also buggy and screwed/unstable as hell. Even Metro: LL which I believe is optimized for NVIDIA hardware gives problems. BF3, FC3 and a huge list of titles are giving random freezes, crashes and whatnot. Where is your "best" driver team this time?

About AMD, here's the thing:
Majority of gamers on the planet use NVIDIA GPUs and minority uses AMD's. When people switch, most of them don't configure their systems properly and then start blaming the company and it's drivers. Most consumers are lazy, and don't want to go through the hassle of fresh installation and reconfigure everything from the scratch. They simply overwrite existing drivers or uninstall existing, disable from device manager or even use 3rd-party stupid tools to clean and call it a day, thus, problems.

Random BSOD can occur on any given hardware, it's not a rocket science and you know it. AMD's Gaming Evolved guarantees solid drivers for out-of-the-box gaming experience, it doesn't mean game-side things are also depended on them. I'm not saying Catalyst doesn't have problems, of course it does, like any other software but they used to be a lot in Radeon HD 5870's days and there has been massive improvement since then. CrossfireX scaling for example (like you mentioned). NVIDIA's 3-way or 4-way scaling is just embarrassing. People with 4x HD 7970s are dame close to 4x GTX Titans at OCN benchmarking section (imagine $4,000 worth GPUs against less than $2,000 GPUs). Again, where is your "best" driver team?

Brother, I've nothing against you or 90% of the NVIDIA lovers here on PG but I just don't like people spreading outdated or misinformation.

I'm done with arguments. Thanks.

 

[Ali Kamran]

Ali Kamran, my friend. This generation, NVIDIA has as much driver issues. 320.18 WHQL is just worst of all whilst AMD's 12.11 were simply the best IMO. 320.18 WHQL just doesn't kills cards but are also buggy and screwed/unstable as hell. Even Metro: LL which I believe is optimized for NVIDIA hardware gives problems. BF3, FC3 and a huge list of titles are giving random freezes, crashes and whatnot. Where is your "best" driver team this time?

About AMD, here's the thing:
Majority of gamers on the planet use NVIDIA GPUs and minority uses AMD's. When people switch, most of them don't configure their systems properly and then start blaming the company and it's drivers. Most consumers are lazy, and don't want to go through the hassle of fresh installation and reconfigure everything from the scratch. They simply overwrite existing drivers or uninstall existing, disable from device manager or even use 3rd-party stupid tools to clean and call it a day, thus, problems.

Random BSOD can occur on any given hardware, it's not a rocket science and you know it. AMD's Gaming Evolved guarantees solid drivers for out-of-the-box gaming experience, it doesn't mean game-side things are also depended on them. I'm not saying Catalyst doesn't have problems, of course it does, like any other software but they used to be a lot in Radeon HD 5870's days and there has been massive improvement since then. CrossfireX scaling for example (like you mentioned). NVIDIA's 3-way or 4-way scaling is just embarrassing. People with 4x HD 7970s are dame close to 4x GTX Titans at OCN benchmarking section (imagine $4,000 worth GPUs against less than $2,000 GPUs). Again, where is your "best" driver team?

Brother, I've nothing against you or 90% of the NVIDIA lovers here on PG but I just don't like people spreading outdated or misinformation.

I'm done with arguments. Thanks.

Thats what I am saying, 1 out of 1000 drivers went corrupt. If you look at it statistically then its 1% failure ratio for NVIDIA's drivers.
Moving on to consumers are lazy etc. yes ofcourse they dont do it at first but when they start experiencing problems they take all the measures to fix it including a fresh install.
Random BSODs (My experience) never happened with NVIDIA GPUs, only AMD so obviously rest of the hardware is working properly. Definitely, scaling has always been a major issue in NVIDIA no doubt about that. They are improving it by time, but if you see it in a positive way then Two way SLI is great, problem occurs with Tri and Four way SLI solutions which will figure out in due time.

Its not about spreading outdated information, its about personal experiences here on PG. Ask [MENTION=21813]Spyder[/MENTION] when he experienced BSODs on Windows 8 with 7870XT. And I am sure you will find many members at PG with issues regarding AMD but at the same time many are satisfied with AMD GPUs. But since he asked for my opinion I gave it to him. Not being biased towards NVIDIA, but yes I prefer NVIDIA for smooth gaming.