Possible Flaw in Trader Score System !

[Ateq]

The addition of the Trader Score system was an excellent step in making the Market Place a better trading ground. But I have found a couple of flaws in the system.

1. The Trader Score works totally independently. Like, a trader can say whatever he likes and give a score according to his bias.

For example, consider traffic accidents, most of the times none of the party admits mistake and both blame each other.

A scenario in Market Place could be, like somebody sold a computer system and now somehow the windows got corrupted and wasnt running well and the buyer blamed it on the seller and gave him a negative score. Or an electronics item sold in working condition and crapped after a couple of days, and the seller gets a negative score !

2. The Trader Score in actual works in addition and subtraction to the original score. Once, a negative mark is given, the trader score is -1, afterwards two positive marks are given and that makes the score +1. This could be very misleasding....

For example, someone who has stacked up a score of 6, now even after he has recieved 3 negatives marks, the original score still shows +3. And to the future trader, that's a good score, and he doesnt even know about the negative marks unless he checks it out in detail !


And also I have a couple of suggestions into remedying this..

1. A Moderator could listen to both sides and then decide what the appropriate score should be. Justice !

2. The Trader Score should show Positive and Negative scores separately....

What do you guys think, more importantly what do the Mods and Admin think ?

 

[w00t]

2. The Trader Score should show Positive and Negative scores separately....

Atleast I agree with this one.

 

[reaper]

i second this

 

[iNF3RN0]

1. The Trader Score works totally independently. Like, a trader can say whatever he likes and give a score according to his bias.

For example, consider traffic accidents, most of the times none of the party admits mistake and both blame each other.

A scenario in Market Place could be, like somebody sold a computer system and now somehow the windows got corrupted and wasnt running well and the buyer blamed it on the seller and gave him a negative score. Or an electronics item sold in working condition and crapped after a couple of days, and the seller gets a negative score !

This usually happens most of the time, but if the seller put some extra instructions before selling electronic items like "there will be no guarantee after X days", "item will be none returnable after the purchase" etc then this will solve this problem, this happens every where even on eay..if the seller has added the clear instruction but still buyer give him a negative instruction then the seller can contact us anytime and will solve the dispute.

Ofcourse we will only be able to sovle the dispute and revert the negarive rating of the seller if he found the instructions issued by the seller in his post, other that verbal guarantee will not be counted.

There is no other solution for it, we can't verify transactions as you know that no one accept his mistake here.

2. The Trader Score in actual works in addition and subtraction to the original score. Once, a negative mark is given, the trader score is -1, afterwards two positive marks are given and that makes the score +1. This could be very misleasding....

For example, someone who has stacked up a score of 6, now even after he has recieved 3 negatives marks, the original score still shows +3. And to the future trader, that's a good score, and he doesnt even know about the negative marks unless he checks it out in detail !

This is how it mathematics work, right now I am not seeing any other posibility, other then the one which I described above i-e if someone gives you negative rating without any proper reason then you can show us the prove and we will revert/remove your negative rating to make your score back to normal again..

The other possibility will be of removing the total score or divide it into separate postitive/negative scores.

And also I have a couple of suggestions into remedying this..

1. A Moderator could listen to both sides and then decide what the appropriate score should be. Justice !

2. The Trader Score should show Positive and Negative scores separately....

What do you guys think, more importantly what do the Mods and Admin think ?

Nah, that would be too much time consuming for a single person or even for a small team based on the transaction volume done here, and you know it's painfully difficut to solve a dispute between two desi peoples where none of them accept their mistake and try to be righteous at all cost.


Yes, I am agree with your second solution, it's the only solution of which I am seeing a posibility, BTW if you visit a profile the system do shows the Negative, Positive and Neutral ratings separately http://www.pakgamers.com/forums/itrader.php?u=2126 I need to remove the total score with the positive/neative score within the posts.

If you have anyother suggestions then don't hesitate to post them here..

Thanks,

 

[Ateq]

if the seller has added the clear instruction but still buyer give him a negative instruction then the seller can contact us anytime and will solve the dispute.

Ofcourse we will only be able to sovle the dispute and revert the negarive rating of the seller if he found the instructions issued by the seller in his post, other that verbal guarantee will not be counted.

There is no other solution for it, we can't verify transactions as you know that no one accept his mistake here.

That should work in our best interests...

and you know it's painfully difficut to solve a dispute between two desi peoples where none of them accept their mistake and try to be righteous at all cost.

Now that I think of it again, it would be rather impossible, and ending in the traditional curses and abuses...

Yes, I am agree with your second solution, it's the only solution of which I am seeing a posibility, BTW if you visit a profile the system do shows the Negative, Positive and Neutral ratings separately http://www.pakgamers.com/forums/itrader.php?u=2126

Yeah it shows these in detail once a member has clicked on the trader score, but within the threads, if someone only looks at +3 score, wouldnt even know there are 3 negative scores as well

I need to remove the total score with the positive/neative score within the posts.

Great !

And additionally, theres something else.. A possible exploit !

What if someone makes a fake user and uses this fake user to buy his fake item from his fake classified and ends up giving himself a fake trader score ....

This is becoming interesting

 

[radd]

great feedback! both suggestions are great.

the trader score could be reformatted to show like this - 6 (-3) to show both positive and negative score.

as for the first suggestions, time for the creation of supreme court of pg?

 

[iNF3RN0]

What if someone makes a fake user and uses this fake user to buy his fake item from his fake classified and ends up giving himself a fake trader score ....

This is becoming interesting

We can't control everything can we? such kind of situations can't even handle by the technology giants like eBay etc, however the best we can do is that the buyer should be mature enough to sense the difference b/w fake and real thing, it's obvious if someone try to sell something fake he can't fake his resident address fake too, buyer can verify the seller from lots of other means like getting his landline number, home/permanent residence address etc, ultimately if a buyer don't feel comfortable with the seller then just leave the deal..

Till now fortunately I haven't came across any FAKE dealing case, only one such case was reported to me and on investigation we found that buyer was responsibile for mishandling not the seller.

Furthermore we already made one thing clear that PG will not be held responsible for any kind of lose which occure during member buying and selling, internet frauds are quite common we can't stop it, however if we take some precautions we can decrease the risk of being getting rip-off.

BTW if someone going to make just a fake ID for selling fake item for score, then it would be just a waste of time as once we get a complain the fake account will get deleted and the IP address will be made available to the part for futher investigation (if the party interested in submitting a cyber crime case against the other person via FIA).

Thanks,

 

[Ateq]

We can't control everything can we? such kind of situations can't even handle by the technology giants like eBay etc, however the best we can do is that the buyer should be mature enough to sense the difference b/w fake and real thing, it's obvious if someone try to sell something fake he can't fake his resident address fake too, buyer can verify the seller from lots of other means like getting his landline number, home/permanent residence address etc, ultimately if a buyer don't feel comfortable with the seller then just leave the deal..

Very true, we can only try to make things convenient but in the end its down the original buyer to be careful and watchful. If they are careless, they cant be helped, right

I know there was a member here, who purchased the infamous Xbox 360 used without even running the console, just picked it up. And I dont know what went on, but it wasnt working when he check it at his home....

So it was basically his own fault...

BTW if someone going to make just a fake ID for selling fake item for score, then it would be just a waste of time

No, I meant he uses a couple of IDs to make 2 fake trades and gets himself +2 trader score. Now he can try to sell some faulty products...

But then again, as you have explained earlier, I understand that it will be down the buyer to careful about these things...

 

[Jshak]

Conclusion to the query. Deal if you feel that the person is alright. Cause when you going to pick up the hardware in market section. No one is dumb enought to see the item though before picking. Negative issues only cater if the person was not a good experience to you. May be the same person with another deal was +1.
It is all how you deal. Simple

 

[Ateq]

Cause when you going to pick up the hardware in market section. No one is dumb enought to see the item though before picking.

Hhmm, I dont understand what you mean ?

Negative issues only cater if the person was not a good experience to you. May be the same person with another deal was +1.

Yes, and Im only saying that both these Negative and Positive scores should be shown in the threads. Anyway, this has been agreed upon by Inferno...