MULTI [OT] Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice | Rise From Every Fall

[Necrokiller]

It's the most accessible From Software game according to a UX consultant.

Well if THAT random consultant says so....lol

But let's entertain it because it got ignored the first time. Because I see you didn't understand that article. Notice the quotations around difficulty in the headline and the article. You can make games accessible without compromising their difficulty by design.

Bloodborne was also regarded as their most accessible game when it was released. Did it also make it the easiest for you? It did for some but not for others.

But not only is Bloodborne the most accessible of the Souls series, its difficulty is also severely overplayed.

http://www.pushsquare.com/news/2018/03/soapbox_dont_dismiss_bloodborne_because_of_its_difficulty

More accessible than Dark Souls, Bloodborne is still a gruelling and oppressive game.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...borne-review-dark-fantasy-does-not-disappoint

No one cared for unlocking the superficial difficulty modes in DMC5 you are basing your entire argument on. Same tired argument as Bloodborne.

"But if you do that one specific boss in chalice dungeons without summoning, the game is more difficult than Sekiro"

"But if you play on Hell and Hell, DMC5 isn't masher friendly like Sekiro is"

Who gives a shit man? Lol if Hell and Hell was the default difficulty and completion rate was lower than Sekiro, you would have a point. Just compare the highest percentage of ending achieved in Sekiro to that in DMC5. It will become painfully obvious which game was more accessible AND easy.

 

[CerebralTiger]

Well if THAT random consultant says so....lol

That 'random' UX consultant who's worked on games and specializes in accessibility? Yup lol

Because I see you didn't understand that article. Notice the quotations around difficulty in the headline and the article. You can make games accessible without compromising their difficulty by design.

Oh, I understood what he said. There are no quotations in this sentence:

I could say the same thing about how much more forgiving the game design in Sekiro is, from timing to controls and the multiple possible play styles (stealth, charging, finesse, parrying, bashing). The fact that if I’m early for a parry most of the time that becomes a block is huge for me because I’m often way too early.

Notice the keywords I highlighted. "forgiving", "timing", "bashing" lol, and also the 2nd sentence. These are all things that PowerPyx said well before this article was written; things that you laughed off, which led me to prove them right with visual evidence to great success :hah:

No one cared for unlocking the superficial difficulty modes in DMC5 you are basing your entire argument on.

Do you have some stats to back this claim?

Who gives a shit man?

I dunno man, I'm not the one bringing up DMC5 in a Sekiro thread. All I did was kick Genichiro's ass ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I hope he doesn't end up being the end boss *sigh*

 

[Necrokiller]

Do you have some stats to back this claim?

Why don't you tell us how many people finished the game at Normal difficulty vs Hell and Hell? You'll get your answer then lol

Im sorry I didn't bore myself watching the rest of your videos because earlier ones already failed to prove your point. If your boss runs were part of an uninterrupted playthrough I'd definitely watch it to see how successful you were in executing your strategy.

Maybe you could stream the rest of your playthrough for us? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Witcher92]

Guys suggestions on

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isshin, the sword saint fight?

This dead ass nigga gave me nightmares yesterday. seriously 4 phases of life against a poor wolf thats a cheat Miyazaki, not fair.

 

[Witcher92]

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and this was so far the best boss, just great back and forth, loved it

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How do you get to this fight? went back to Hirata estate expecting shit to change but there was nothing, did I miss something ?

I have killed

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True corrupted monk and the whole fountainhead palace with divine dragon boss

 

[CerebralTiger]

Why don't you tell us how many people finished the game at Normal difficulty vs Hell and Hell? You'll get your answer then lol

Except that it won't account for those who played the game on Hell and Hell and gave up at some point instead of finishing it, so let's try it this way:

38.3% of DMC5 players on PS4 beat the game on Normal difficulty. 3.4% unlocked the Hell and Hell difficulty, because they finished the game on DMD. Meanwhile, only 0.5% managed to finish the game on Hell and Hell. This means that 2.9% of DMC5 players couldn't beat the game on Hell and Hell despite having access to it.

You seem to be implying that had Hell and Hell been unlocked from the start, more people would've beaten it. But based on the large difference between the percentage of people who had access to the difficulty and those that finished the game on this difficulty, it isn't really the case.

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Im sorry I didn't bore myself watching the rest of your videos because earlier ones already failed to prove your point.

But then how did you know I "pussied out" from lady butterfly's perilous attacks? :hah:

Speaking of which, you have yet to tell me how to not "pussy out" from perilous attacks that are grabs and sweeps :hah:

If your boss runs were part of an uninterrupted playthrough I'd definitely watch it to see how successful you were in executing your strategy.

Maybe you could stream the rest of your playthrough for us? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

No way, now he wants me to do a speed run :tv:

 

[Necrokiller]

No way, now he wants me to do a speed run :tv:

Where did I mention anything about a 'speed run'?

 

[CerebralTiger]

Where did I mention anything about a 'speed run'?

I'd have to dedicate time for an uninterrupted playthrough, which is the only challenge for me here lol. In turn, that means I'd want to play faster to save time. I hardly play the game anyway, as there are other games I'd much rather be playing. Hence, sorry but no can do

The evidence I have provided during short bursts of playtime is totally valid imo.

P.S. Since you champion uninterrupted playthroughs, I'm wondering why you chose to post videos from two different sessions for your fight against Genichiro

(end of phase 2)

(start of phase 3)

 

[Necrokiller]

P.S. Since you champion uninterrupted playthroughs, I'm wondering why you chose to post videos from two different sessions for your fight against Genichiro

(end of phase 2)

(start of phase 3)

Why are you trying so hard? Its a separate video and I even mentioned in the video description that its a different attempt :tv:

Not trying to prove anything in my videos. Unlike you who thinks "intentionally" dying making "no damage" videos validates any complaint you level at the game :lol:

All I asked was next you record one of these "perfect" runs, let us watch it too. But for some reason, you pussied out :lol:

 

[Static]

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so I did the shura ending, just the skills trophy left for platinum :2cool:

 

[Static]

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and this was so far the best boss, just great back and forth, loved it

How do you get to this fight? went back to Hirata estate expecting shit to change but there was nothing, did I miss something ?

I have killed

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True corrupted monk and the whole fountainhead palace with divine dragon boss

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before killing divine dragon, eavesdrop on divine heir, talk to emma in ashina castle a few times, then she will go to near the old grave idol, talk to her there, then go to dilapidated temple, go to the back of the building and eavesdrop on the sculptor, then talk to emma there she will give you a item, use the buddha like you used before to go to hirata. Do this before divine dragon or else it will be locked out

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BTW, if anyone complaining on the game being a block spamfest, theres also a hard mode in the game, in NG+ at the start give back the kuros charm to kuro and then you'll take chip damage if you block

 

[Necrokiller]

BTW, if anyone complaining on the game being a block spamfest

Its just hating for the sake of it, nothing more to it lol

Sekiro outsold DMC5 on both PS4 and Xbox One.

Top 10 PS4 titles (March 2019)

1. Tom Clancy's The Division 2
2. MLB 19: The Show
3. Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice
4. Devil May Cry 5
5. Red Dead Redemption II
6. NBA 2K19
7. Call of Duty: Black Ops IIII
8. Jump Force
9. Marvel's Spider-Man
10. Grand Theft Auto V

Top 10 Xbox One titles (March 2019)

1. Tom Clancy's The Division 2
2. Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice
3. Devil May Cry 5
4. Anthem
5. Red Dead Redemption II
6. Call of Duty: Black Ops IIII
7. Grand Theft Auto V
8. NBA 2K19
9. Battlefield V
10. Far Cry New Dawn

That downward spiral from Normal to Son to Sparda just proves what an awful boring grind the game is.

This means that 2.9% of DMC5 players couldn't beat the game on Hell and Hell despite having access to it.

lol @ couldn't. It means even the most die hard button mashers gave up on the grind. If your logic made sense, one could say more people 'could' finish the game on Normal than the easier Human mode :lol:

 

[Witcher92]

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before killing divine dragon, eavesdrop on divine heir, talk to emma in ashina castle a few times, then she will go to near the old grave idol, talk to her there, then go to dilapidated temple, go to the back of the building and eavesdrop on the sculptor, then talk to emma there she will give you a item, use the buddha like you used before to go to hirata. Do this before divine dragon or else it will be locked out

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BTW, if anyone complaining on the game being a block spamfest, theres also a hard mode in the game, in NG+ at the start give back the kuros charm to kuro and then you'll take chip damage if you block

Oh man..

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guess that area must have been locked out for me, already done the divine dragon part. Currently fighting with Ishin, the sword saint. real tough fight .

 

[CerebralTiger]

Its just hating for the sake of it, nothing more to it lol

It's not like I'm the only one calling the game spam friendly. PowerPyx said it, the UX consultant on accessibility also said the timing is lenient. And, much like me, Static has also been doing it to great success

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https://www.pakgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279282&p=2958302&viewfull=1#post2958302

Sekiro outsold DMC5 on [...] PS4.

And both were outsold by an exclusive :hah:

That downward spiral from Normal to Son to Sparda just proves what an awful boring grind the game is.

Not everyone is a completionist.

lol @ couldn't. It means even the most die hard button mashers gave up on the grind.

Since they unlocked the Hell and Hell difficulty, the grind to get there was already over for them. The only thing in the way of them finishing it on Hell and Hell mode is its PowerPyx certified difficulty.

If your logic made sense, one could say more people 'could' finish the game on Normal than the easier Human mode

Easy and Normal are both available when you boot up the game, and Normal is set to default. It makes sense to me.

 

[Necrokiller]

It's not like I'm the only one calling the game spam friendly.

More people called Sekiro a very difficult game as well.

Funny thing about your Sekiro hate train is that you advocate button mashers like DMC5 now, when you've also had a history of actually bashing the franchise for being a mindless button masher. Kinda makes it hard for me to read your complaints as genuine criticism ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Several people in this thread called it more difficult than Bloodborne. Someone here who has platinumed Bloodborne gave up on Sekiro for its difficulty but had no trouble finishing DMC5. You can quote your personal idols all you want but it doesn't stop Sekiro from being a difficult game. Sekiro sold more than DMC5 but its ending stats are lower than DMC5's default mode, the mode most people cared about.

 

[SolitarySoldier]

Top 10 PS4 titles (March 2019)

1. Tom Clancy's The Division 2
2. MLB 19: The Show
3. Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice
4. Devil May Cry 5
5. Red Dead Redemption II
6. NBA 2K19
7. Call of Duty: Black Ops IIII
8. Jump Force
9. Marvel's Spider-Man
10. Grand Theft Auto V

Top 10 Xbox One titles (March 2019)

1. Tom Clancy's The Division 2
2. Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice
3. Devil May Cry 5
4. Anthem
5. Red Dead Redemption II
6. Call of Duty: Black Ops IIII
7. Grand Theft Auto V
8. NBA 2K19
9. Battlefield V
10. Far Cry New Dawn

The absence of Metro Exodus is conspicuous. I wonder if that's normal for the Metro franchise (can't attribute to it the backlash they got since console gamers probably can't be bothered about that).

 

[Necrokiller]

The absence of Metro Exodus is conspicuous. I wonder if that's normal for the Metro franchise (can't attribute to it the backlash they got since console gamers probably can't be bothered about that).

It was released in February, not March, and ranked #8 without counting PC digital sales.

 

[CerebralTiger]

Funny thing about your Sekiro hate train

But but....what hate train? lol I never said it's a bad game, just that it's spam friendly, which makes it the easiest From Soft game.

Someone here who has platinumed Bloodborne gave up on Sekiro for its difficulty but had no trouble finishing DMC5.

So it's okay to mention the platinum for Bloodborne, but not for DMC5? The DMC5 platinum is rated 10/10 by PowerPyx, while the Sekiro platinum is rated 7/10. Almost 5% of the game's PS4 player base has platinum'ed the latter. Pretty soon, it'll no longer be classified as an "ultra rare" trophy on PSN. Meanwhile, 0.2% of DMC5's PS4 player base has platinum'ed it. As far as completionists go, it's clear which game is in a different league of difficulty. I never suggested that a regular playthrough of DMC5 would be more challenging than Sekiro lol.

 

[SolitarySoldier]

It was released in February, not March, and ranked #8 without counting PC digital sales.

Yeah, I mean it's off the list too soon considering other games like FarCry, BFV, Anthem, etc.

 

[Necrokiller]

But but....what hate train?

This one:

Your misinformed statements and jumping to conclusions prove that mindset. Some examples:

But in Sekiro's case, even on NG+ and onward, deflect will remain spam-friendly.

Shows how much you know about the NG+ mode.

Lack of individuality in terms of weapons/gear (prosthetic tools don't help much) also hurts the experience.

You passed this "criticism" even before reaching the Chained Ogre. Exactly how many prosthetics did you even unlock at that point?

The DMC5 platinum is rated 10/10 by PowerPyx

First of all, only your world revolves around PowerPyx here, so please stop imposing his criteria upon us already lol

Secondly, I mentioned people who got Bloodborne platinum (so it incorporates your so-called challenging Chalice Dungeons) because contrary to your belief, achieving it didn't necessarily make Sekiro "easier" for them.

I never suggested that a regular playthrough of DMC5 would be more challenging than Sekiro lol.

Making DMC5 a spammer and button masher friendly game. At this point, I can simply copy paste your own DMC4 criticisms and they will perfectly apply to DMC5 as well :lol:

Lastly, someone who is A-okay with judging difficulty of a game based on 6 damn playthroughs to find a "challenge", should be open to the possibility of greater challenge in other games too. Unless ofcourse, the only obvious agenda is to hate on the game for the sake of it.