Need Help with PC Specs

[zainzombie]

This is the first time I am building one. I have looked up and was recommended on some parts and have kind of decided on this build but I needed to run it by you guys first.

Processor: i7 10th gen 10700.
Mobo: Asus TUFF-GamingPlus z490
Seagate 1tb sata II + Samsung 970 Evo 1tb NVME
RTX 2070 super (preferably)
Cooler H-45
ThermalTake 700 Watt PSU
24 GB Ram DDR4 - 3200 Adata XPG
Casing ???

It will be for work and gaming. I will be honest, I am not sure what Mobo and HDD should I go for and if just 1tb Sata should be enough.

Should I go for this or did I get something wrong? Any advice would be highly appreciated.

EDIT: Also I should mention, initially I was planning on AMD Ryzen 3700x for the cpu but was recommended against it, i was told it has serious heating and mobo compatibility issues. I am a noob in all this so I decided to go for i7 10th gen to stay safe.

 

[StrikerX]

EDIT: Also I should mention, initially I was planning on AMD Ryzen 3700x for the cpu but was recommended against it, i was told it has serious heating and mobo compatibility issues. I am a noob in all this so I decided to go for i7 10th gen to stay safe.

Someone doesn't know what they are talking about.

What's your budget and you mentioned it'll be a gaming/work setup, what sort of workload?

 

[mbk99]

This is the first time I am building one. I have looked up and was recommended on some parts and have kind of decided on this build but I needed to run it by you guys first.

Processor: i7 10th gen 10700.
Mobo: Asus TUFF-GamingPlus z490
Seagate 1tb sata II + Samsung 970 Evo 1tb NVME
RTX 2070 super (preferably)
Cooler H-45
ThermalTake 700 Watt PSU
24 GB Ram DDR4 - 3200 Adata XPG
Casing ???

It will be for work and gaming. I will be honest, I am not sure what Mobo and HDD should I go for and if just 1tb Sata should be enough.

Should I go for this or did I get something wrong? Any advice would be highly appreciated.

EDIT: Also I should mention, initially I was planning on AMD Ryzen 3700x for the cpu but was recommended against it, i was told it has serious heating and mobo compatibility issues. I am a noob in all this so I decided to go for i7 10th gen to stay safe.

What "Also I should mention, initially I was planning on AMD Ryzen 3700x for the cpu but was recommended against it, i was told it has serious heating and mobo compatibility issues." this is not true bro. Whoever told u this is a complete noob himself.

and since you'll be looking for work and gaming purpose rig then AMD Ryzen 3700x or 3800x build is highly recommended, more Cores will u in multi tasking, just buy an aftermarket CPU cooler and a good X570 mobo and you'll do fine, no temps or compatibility will arise.

For casing go for a case which has front mesh like Cooler Master NR600 or Cooler Master MB511 RGB case, as front mesh will allow for better ventilation and airflow inside the case.

and if u still opt for intel 10700 build (which i wouldn't recommend) then buy a cheaper mobo instead of z490 since u will not be overclocking the 10700, so u can save some bucks here.

also don't cheap out on PSU, i recommend u buy a Corsair Tx750m or RM 750x over Thermaltake brand.

 

[zainzombie]

Someone doesn't know what they are talking about.

What's your budget and you mentioned it'll be a gaming/work setup, what sort of workload?

My work is based on PS, AE, Premiere pro and for 3D rendering at times. My budget was lower but I am saving and can go up to 350k. I basically dont want to build a pc that will take ages to render. Also, gaming is a plus.

 

[zainzombie]

What "Also I should mention, initially I was planning on AMD Ryzen 3700x for the cpu but was recommended against it, i was told it has serious heating and mobo compatibility issues." this is not true bro. Whoever told u this is a complete noob himself.

and since you'll be looking for work and gaming purpose rig then AMD Ryzen 3700x or 3800x build is highly recommended, more Cores will u in multi tasking, just buy an aftermarket CPU cooler and a good X570 mobo and you'll do fine, no temps or compatibility will arise.

For casing go for a case which has front mesh like Cooler Master NR600 or Cooler Master MB511 RGB case, as front mesh will allow for better ventilation and airflow inside the case.

and if u still opt for intel 10700 build (which i wouldn't recommend) then buy a cheaper mobo instead of z490 since u will not be overclocking the 10700, so u can save some bucks here.

also don't cheap out on PSU, i recommend u buy a Corsair Tx750m or RM 750x over Thermaltake brand.

Yes, thats exactly why I was going for 3700x because more threads and cores, as mostly my work is CPU intensive. And ofcourse, because its cheaper than its intel counterpart.

Thanks for the advice on casing, mobo and PSU.

 

[BeSmart]

Here is my two cents.
Intel is obviously better for gaming but the difference becomes really small on higher resolutions.
Look at the benchmark videos on youtube for details.
Processor: Go for i7 if money is of no concern and 3700x is really good for multitasking.
As for 3700x heat issues i have had it for about 6 months no heating or any other issues and my mobo is b450 tomahawk. Also, i am using the reference cooler that comes with it.
See the picture for reference.

Storage: Use one SSD NVME or sata(This depends on your budget) and combine with the HDD. The speed difference is not a joke. It makes a lot of difference.

Casing: Look at different options preferably go to the market because online case are mostly overpriced.

Everything else is A-OK.

 

[zainzombie]

Here is my two cents.
Intel is obviously better for gaming but the difference becomes really small on higher resolutions.
Look at the benchmark videos on youtube for details.
Processor: Go for i7 if money is of no concern and 3700x is really good for multitasking.
As for 3700x heat issues i have had it for about 6 months no heating or any other issues and my mobo is b450 tomahawk. Also, i am using the reference cooler that comes with it.
See the picture for reference.
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Storage: Use one SSD NVME or sata(This depends on your budget) and combine with the HDD. The speed difference is not a joke. It makes a lot of difference.

Casing: Look at different options preferably go to the market because online case are mostly overpriced.

Everything else is A-OK.

Nice. Thank you for explaining. Ofcourse I would like to save money but I dont want to compromise on the build.

So as @mbk99 said, if I go with 3700x and a better cpu cooler (better than the one it comes with), with better casing and mobo, I wont have any issues with heating right?.

 

[mbk99]

Nice. Thank you for explaining. Ofcourse I would like to save money but I dont want to compromise on the build.

So as @mbk99 said, if I go with 3700x and a better cpu cooler (better than the one it comes with), with better casing and mobo, I wont have any issues with heating right?.

exactly 3700x is pretty safe, u wont be comprising anything. u can even use a stock cooler as if u would be only gaming as gaming rarely uses full CPU prowess, hardly 50 to 60% in modern titles while rendering or multitasking or video editing utilize a lot of CPU resources so their it is best to a good CPU air or liquid cooler.

as for mobo what is ur budget? maybe try getting an Asus ROG Crosshair VIII Hero WIFI x570 mobo.

 

[zainzombie]

exactly 3700x is pretty safe, u wont be comprising anything. u can even use a stock cooler as if u would be only gaming as gaming rarely uses full CPU prowess, hardly 50 to 60% in modern titles while rendering or multitasking or video editing utilize a lot of CPU resources so their it is best to a good CPU air or liquid cooler.

as for mobo what is ur budget? maybe try getting an Asus ROG Crosshair VIII Hero WIFI x570 mobo.

For the entire build I want to stay in 300k but can stretch up tp 350k. If I am saving on CPU and HDD, I can go for a better mobo. I am planning on getting the entire build from czone. The mobo you mentioned is not available there.

 

[mbk99]

For the entire build I want to stay in 300k but can stretch up tp 350k. If I am saving on CPU and HDD, I can go for a better mobo. I am planning on getting the entire build from czone. The mobo you mentioned is not available there.

before buying any x570 mobo just google it for reviews, also check out Easetec and Pakdukaan they are very trusted as well.

BTW i saw a Corsair HX1200i PUS being listed in PG computers section for sale @ 20K price. i honestly recommend u to buy it as this price point as it is a stellar PSU.

 

[mbk99]

just dont buy a cheaper x570 mobo with poor VRM and mosfet as it will effect the cooling/temps of ur build!

 

[zainzombie]

just dont buy a cheaper x570 mobo with poor VRM and mosfet as it will effect the cooling/temps of ur build!

I see. Excuse my ignorance but from what I am understanding, a good x570 mobo wth good VRM should go with Ryzen build. z490 is fine for intel? Am I getting it right?

I cant find any x570 in pakistani stores on the internet, I will have to call up places to see if there is one available. You have been a great help, thank you. Can you tell me how much VRM is good for my build if I choose to go with AMD?

 

[mbk99]

I see. Excuse my ignorance but from what I am understanding, a good x570 mobo wth good VRM should go with Ryzen build. z490 is fine for intel? Am I getting it right?

I cant find any x570 in pakistani stores on the internet, I will have to call up places to see if there is one available. You have been a great help, thank you. Can you tell me how much VRM is good for my build if I choose to go with AMD?

Bro Z490 like X570 mobos needs to have good VRM and Mosfets.

Cheaper Z490 and X570 variants tend to have lower quality Mosfets which dont provide enough juice to the processor and cause thermal throttling and heatup issues

And maybe u can try getting an mobo from Amazon.com via a 3rd party importer u know if they are in shortage in Pakistan

 

[randomgamer]

I have two AMD Systems, one is running 3800x and the other is running 3900x. They are incredibly stable. There is no heating or stability issues whatsoever. They do idle at higher temperatures compared to my Intel 8700k but keep in mind Intel is still on 14nm and these are on 7nm nodes so it is hard to dissipate the heat due to lower surface area. But keep in mind that my idle temps for 3800x is around 45c and 50c for 3900x which is just fine and around 65~70c under load which is just fine as that is well below the TJ Max (Maximum Temp) which is 95c.

I do recommend getting an aftermarket cooler to maximize the performance as it will be able to boost higher if you have good cooling. I'm using aftermarket cooler on 3900x and stock (wraith prism) on my 3800x and both are fine but 3800x tends to run a bit hotter under load and Wrath Prism is really loud when running at higher rpms, so i plan to replace it with an aftermarket cooler eventually.. I would recommend AMD. I've been a long time Intel user but have switched to AMD recently and I don't think I'll ever go back until Intel is competitive again.

I would not go B450 or B550 at all (Unless you plan to go with a processor with 65w tdp e.g 3700x in which case you can go with B450 or B550 but only if you can manage to get MSI Tomahawk Max as that has the best VRM's among 450/550 chipsets). I'd go for x570 but make sure to research about the particular board that you're going to buy. There are some crappy x570's too. I'm using Asus X570 Prime with 3900x which is relatively speaking a cheap X570 board but it uses the same VRM's that are in expensive top tier X570 Asus Mobos. My 3800x is using MSI X570 Pro Carbon (I wouldn't have bought it but there was no other option available in the market and i needed a second system urgently) . X570 Prime is cheaper & better then MSI board. I would recommend going for a board with incredibly good thermals (VRM) (Judge boards based on their VRM performance instead of differentiating on bling e.g wifi or rgb stuff).

Thermaltake PSU's are very bad. Always buy a good PSU because it can take out your entire system if it fails. I would go with TX or RMX Series (Corsair).

Lastly, go for at least 3200 MHZ Ram (3600 mhz recommended so that you can run infinity fabric clock 1:1). Make sure ram has good latency too. At least CL16.

These new Ryzen CPU's are incredibly good.They provide so much power specially multi core performance. I run 4 VM's (3x Windows and 1 Ubuntu), multiple docker contains and services concurrently and it still runs smoothly ( I have a bunch of other things open in the background too). So if you do a lot of rendering or multi core work (e.g Virtual Machines) I would go with 3900x.

I'm not sure about gaming performance on Ryzen as I do not run any games on these machines but from what i have read the difference is minimal and only matters if you're playing at low res high refresh rate (i.e competitive gaming where cpu is the bottleneck) but for casual gaming at higher resolution, it should be just fine and the difference between Intel and Ryzen should be minuscule.

Let me know if you have any other questions.

 

[zainzombie]

I have two AMD Systems, one is running 3800x and the other is running 3900x. They are incredibly stable. There is no heating or stability issues whatsoever. They do idle at higher temperatures compared to my Intel 8700k but keep in mind Intel is still on 14nm and these are on 7nm nodes so it is hard to dissipate the heat due to lower surface area. But keep in mind that my idle temps for 3800x is around 45c and 50c for 3900x which is just fine and around 65~70c under load which is just fine as that is well below the TJ Max (Maximum Temp) which is 95c.

I do recommend getting an aftermarket cooler to maximize the performance as it will be able to boost higher if you have good cooling. I'm using aftermarket cooler on 3900x and stock (wraith prism) on my 3800x and both are fine but 3800x tends to run a bit hotter under load and Wrath Prism is really loud when running at higher rpms, so i plan to replace it with an aftermarket cooler eventually.. I would recommend AMD. I've been a long time Intel user but have switched to AMD recently and I don't think I'll ever go back until Intel is competitive again.

I would not go B450 or B550 at all (Unless you plan to go with a processor with 65w tdp e.g 3700x in which case you can go with B450 or B550 but only if you can manage to get MSI Tomahawk Max as that has the best VRM's among 450/550 chipsets). I'd go for x570 but make sure to research about the particular board that you're going to buy. There are some crappy x570's too. I'm using Asus X570 Prime with 3900x which is relatively speaking a cheap X570 board but it uses the same VRM's that are in expensive top tier X570 Asus Mobos. My 3800x is using MSI X570 Pro Carbon (I wouldn't have bought it but there was no other option available in the market and i needed a second system urgently) . X570 Prime is cheaper & better then MSI board. I would recommend going for a board with incredibly good thermals (VRM) (Judge boards based on their VRM performance instead of differentiating on bling e.g wifi or rgb stuff).

Thermaltake PSU's are very bad. Always buy a good PSU because it can take out your entire system if it fails. I would go with TX or RMX Series (Corsair).

Lastly, go for at least 3200 MHZ Ram (3600 mhz recommended so that you can run infinity fabric clock 1:1). Make sure ram has good latency too. At least CL16.

These new Ryzen CPU's are incredibly good.They provide so much power specially multi core performance. I run 4 VM's (3x Windows and 1 Ubuntu), multiple docker contains and services concurrently and it still runs smoothly ( I have a bunch of other things open in the background too). So if you do a lot of rendering or multi core work (e.g Virtual Machines) I would go with 3900x.

I'm not sure about gaming performance on Ryzen as I do not run any games on these machines but from what i have read the difference is minimal and only matters if you're playing at low res high refresh rate (i.e competitive gaming where cpu is the bottleneck) but for casual gaming at higher resolution, it should be just fine and the difference between Intel and Ryzen should be minuscule.

Let me know if you have any other questions.

Thank you so much! Thats a lot of valuable information. I think I understand better now.

Currently there are no suitable motherboards for an AMD build available anywhere in karachi. I will have to wait for it. I am not sure how I will know what/how much VRM is good enough for the system specs I have in mind. But I will definitely look it up.

Yes RAM will be 3200 MHZ and for PSU I will go with Corsair. Currently I can only see this one available:

"Corsair CX Series™ CX750 — 750 Watt 80 PLUS® Bronze Certified ATX PSU"

If you can tell if this is good enough it would help me alot. Also, do you recommend Sata or NVMe?

Any recommendations for an aftermarket cooler would also be highly appreciated.

 

[Simonsayz]

Building a new PC in 2020 and not going AMD ain't smart, specially if it's a creative workstation. I have had intel PCs all my life but switched to 3900x when it launched coz 7nm Zen 2 is that good.

What you buy is up to you but I'm just here to correct some statements, Zen 2 the processor chip itself generates less heat than the same core count 9th or 10th gen intel chip, you can check comparisons on LTT or GN. I am not a big fan of X570's chipset fan but all OEMs have a fan curve in bios or in their software that you can set to your taste. On the same subject, you don't have to go for X570 if you are not going to run PCIe Gen4 NVMe on it, I have MP600 and other than Premiere I don't notice any difference in performance from my 970 EVO Plus. Zen 2 chips have a very good turbo boost, you won't need to overclock all cores, you can go with B550 as well if you can import it or ask people here on PG Marketplace that can import it for you.

 

[randomgamer]

Thank you so much! Thats a lot of valuable information. I think I understand better now.

Currently there are no suitable motherboards for an AMD build available anywhere in karachi. I will have to wait for it. I am not sure how I will know what/how much VRM is good enough for the system specs I have in mind. But I will definitely look it up.

Yes RAM will be 3200 MHZ and for PSU I will go with Corsair. Currently I can only see this one available:

"Corsair CX Series™ CX750 — 750 Watt 80 PLUS® Bronze Certified ATX PSU"

If you can tell if this is good enough it would help me alot. Also, do you recommend Sata or NVMe?

Any recommendations for an aftermarket cooler would also be highly appreciated.

You can watch Motherboard reviews on Youtube or search for them..VRM setup is usually discussed in every review.. So, if they think the VRM setup is good then its a good mobo to buy.

Regarding PSU, I would try to go with a gold certified PSU e.g TMX Series or RMX but if they aren't available then CX series is also fine.

I'm currently using Cooler Master MA620P with 3900x and it's pretty good. I would recommend it (There are better coolers brands e.g Noctua or BeQuiet but they aren't available here) Haven't faced any thermal throttling.

I would go with NVME. They offer much better performance. SSD Sata is also fine tho but now the price difference between NVME and sata SSD is very small so i would go with nvme.

 

[randomgamer]

On the same subject, you don't have to go for X570 if you are not going to run PCIe Gen4 NVMe on it.

That is true but keep in mind if you're running 3900x or 3950x then you'll end up maxing out B450 or B550 (most of them) VRM's so it is highly recommended to go with X570 with beefy VRM's if you are going for 8+ cores.

 

[Simonsayz]

That is true but keep in mind if you're running 3900x or 3950x then you'll end up maxing out B450 or B550 (most of them) VRM's so it is highly recommended to go with X570 with beefy VRM's if you are going for 8+ cores.

Yeah 3700x which the OP is going for atm will run fine on a decent B550 but it won't be able to properly feed a 3900x. I saw der8auer's X570 VRM videos and went with Asus as well.

BTW OP your work requirement is the same as mine and I can tell you from experience that 3700x won't be enough for Pr&Ae if time matters to you. 3900x is much more efficient in Pr & Ae workflow. And if you go for 3900x then a heads up, in Pr it shreds but also gets hot on full load on stock wraith prism cooler so unless you can find a Noctua D15, get a decent 280 or 360 AIO. Mine was thermal throttling at 90C on stock cooler in an H500P Mesh case, now I have ML360R with Kryonaut and at full load the 3900x stays under 60C in an AC room at 28C ambient with all cores at 4.2GHz and 65C at all core 4.4Ghz OC on Asus CH8H with fan curve set to 17% till 50C then 50% till 70C, keeps fans silent unless full load and still bearable under load.

Also, "24 GB RAM" why? All AM4 boards are dual channel, only TR4 boards for threadripper are quad channel. Plan on buying a dual channel kit, identical RAMs, 2 sticks. 2 sticks of same capacity & speed would perform better than 4 sticks of the same total capacity & speed in a dual channel board (e.g., 2x16GB > 4x8GB). I would recommend at least 32GB for Pr & Ae.

Finalise components then add everything on a PSU calculator online, add everything, HDDs even RGBs. Whatever figure comes out, add 20% headroom and get at least Gold rated PSU, it will save you in energy costs.

 

[zainzombie]

Yeah 3700x which the OP is going for atm will run fine on a decent B550 but it won't be able to properly feed a 3900x. I saw der8auer's X570 VRM videos and went with Asus as well.

BTW OP your work requirement is the same as mine and I can tell you from experience that 3700x won't be enough for Pr&Ae if time matters to you. 3900x is much more efficient in Pr & Ae workflow. And if you go for 3900x then a heads up, in Pr it shreds but also gets hot on full load on stock wraith prism cooler so unless you can find a Noctua D15, get a decent 280 or 360 AIO. Mine was thermal throttling at 90C on stock cooler in an H500P Mesh case, now I have ML360R with Kryonaut and at full load the 3900x stays under 60C in an AC room at 28C ambient with all cores at 4.2GHz and 65C at all core 4.4Ghz OC on Asus CH8H with fan curve set to 17% till 50C then 50% till 70C, keeps fans silent unless full load and still bearable under load.

Also, "24 GB RAM" why? All AM4 boards are dual channel, only TR4 boards for threadripper are quad channel. Plan on buying a dual channel kit, identical RAMs, 2 sticks. 2 sticks of same capacity & speed would perform better than 4 sticks of the same total capacity & speed in a dual channel board (e.g., 2x16GB > 4x8GB). I would recommend at least 32GB for Pr & Ae.

Finalise components then add everything on a PSU calculator online, add everything, HDDs even RGBs. Whatever figure comes out, add 20% headroom and get at least Gold rated PSU, it will save you in energy costs.

That post helped ALOT. . Thank you!