[OT] .::The Official 3G/4G LTE Thread::.
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Jazz becomes the first carrier to launch eSIM:
https://twitter.com/jazzpk/status/1133682837356503040?s=19
https://twitter.com/jazzpk/status/1133682837356503040?s=19
Ab VoLTE bhi launch kar den kisi yarah. Worst 2G call quality. Have to select 3G only mode every time to call.
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Well... Don't hold your breath. https://twitter.com/head_of_toys/status/1133763580573179904?s=09
I agree on the 2G part. But they're all crap, aren't they? On 3G, they're all respectable. But the phones don't stay on 3G on normal mode (you have to disable 2G for that). And if I disable 2G, you won't get coverage where they don't have 3G.
So what can one do except for pull their hair out? (This part is a serious question - Mobilink keeps going down from 3G to 2G - which other operator do you think functions fine?)
I can't move out of Mobilink cause of 25GB, otherwise I would have. Long ago.
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At the rate they're moving at, every phone in existence should support VoLTE on Jazz since they've been supposedly testing it for 2 years now.
Edit: Lol tomorrow it will be 2 years since the ProPK article saying Jazz is testing VoLTE.
Asif (CTO) said there's no critical mass, and some complications.
So... critical mass has been attained for an eSIM facility? Okay...
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He's CCO tho... isn't he? That's what Twitter bio says.
How can there still be complications after 2 years?!
Yeah even I find that extremely hard to believe.
Pixel 2 supports eSIM..... hmmmmmmmmmm
CTO. CCO. C-whatever-O. He's something. Don't care enough about that lol.
Also, the P2's eSIM capabilities are with Google Fi only. Not other operators. Which kinda sucks.
And given how some of us experiment with our phones and reset it, that would mean another trip to their call center. No website to scan the SIM come off. So while it's a good initiative, it's not meant for me personally.
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E-sim is nothing great at the moment and need further innovation. I think conventional sims are here to stay for a while.
Talking about VoLTE, well its all about priority. VoLTE was never and still is not a priority of any operator in Pakistan. Period
The amount of 4G coverage Zong have, Don't tell me enabling VoLTE on a Network requires more than 2 years and still face mass issues.
And what about Telenor? Weren't they officially announced to be the first VoLTE network in Pakistan? Where is VoLTE. They still haven't come up with a single device officially which they can claim supports their VoLTE even in Islamabad. And new phones are coming every week.
So do not expect VoLTE in Pakistan before end of 2020.
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Talking about VoLTE, well its all about priority. VoLTE was never and still is not a priority of any operator in Pakistan. Period
The amount of 4G coverage Zong have, Don't tell me enabling VoLTE on a Network requires more than 2 years and still face mass issues.
And what about Telenor? Weren't they officially announced to be the first VoLTE network in Pakistan? Where is VoLTE. They still haven't come up with a single device officially which they can claim supports their VoLTE even in Islamabad. And new phones are coming every week.
So do not expect VoLTE in Pakistan before end of 2020.
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I tested Telenor today. Their 4G is definitely better than what I was getting before - almost double. Which is a 100% improvement cause of carrier aggregation. But when you initially used to get 1.5Mbps or so, then... you can see where this is going. But still, 4-5Mbps is still decent speeds for signal quality which isn't particularly great (the RSRQ was around -15, IIRC, whilst the RSRP was around -90dB).
But a fluke: data services now work whilst on a call. Place a call, and try accessing the internet over 3G. It works. Not just in Islamabad, but in Pindi as well. As it should. Which is good. Others still don't allow this.
I wonder how frequently their calls fall back down from 3G to 2G. At work, where they frequently dropped, they didn't really drop in my test (but each call was less than 1 minute, so I really can't say).
Secondly, I came back home, and - I'm getting fairly respectable speeds. This is 4G:
And this is 3G, whilst on a call.
Now - let's turn our attention towards Mobilink - looks like they've stopped throttling 3G (I took this in Green Valley, where they have indoor antennas present):
But the ping times... damn. I've lodged a complaint. And until yesterday, my mum wasn't facing these degraded pings and only my dad and I were - but now, she is as well.
BUT - the elephant in the room - the 2G voice quality is becoming flaky. Calls don't stay on 3G, and when they fall down to 2G, half the time, you're wondering what the other person said (and sometimes, it works fine - but it's quite a hassle).
I'm now thinking whether foregoing my 25GB data limit is worth it for consistency and stability (assuming Telenor is, now, after their partial swap with Nokia).
But a fluke: data services now work whilst on a call. Place a call, and try accessing the internet over 3G. It works. Not just in Islamabad, but in Pindi as well. As it should. Which is good. Others still don't allow this.
I wonder how frequently their calls fall back down from 3G to 2G. At work, where they frequently dropped, they didn't really drop in my test (but each call was less than 1 minute, so I really can't say).
Secondly, I came back home, and - I'm getting fairly respectable speeds. This is 4G:
Spoiler: show
And this is 3G, whilst on a call.
Spoiler: show
Now - let's turn our attention towards Mobilink - looks like they've stopped throttling 3G (I took this in Green Valley, where they have indoor antennas present):
Spoiler: show
But the ping times... damn. I've lodged a complaint. And until yesterday, my mum wasn't facing these degraded pings and only my dad and I were - but now, she is as well.
BUT - the elephant in the room - the 2G voice quality is becoming flaky. Calls don't stay on 3G, and when they fall down to 2G, half the time, you're wondering what the other person said (and sometimes, it works fine - but it's quite a hassle).
I'm now thinking whether foregoing my 25GB data limit is worth it for consistency and stability (assuming Telenor is, now, after their partial swap with Nokia).
I must say telenor will announce 5G in coming weeks and jazz would be the first to launch vowifi after their e sim success [emoji1787] [emoji23]
And zong will be the world's first 6G operator [emoji848]
About ufone - they should just start selling samosas, it would be better to find a somasa then to find a shop with ufone load [emoji30]
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And zong will be the world's first 6G operator [emoji848]
About ufone - they should just start selling samosas, it would be better to find a somasa then to find a shop with ufone load [emoji30]
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1. the wallpaper is Telenor. Not that it matters, but...@shaheerk @zafarabbasrizvi Saw this on Tech Aches FB group.
Some guy in the comments wrote its being tested in Islamabad and Lahore.
2. Did this person recently get a new phone and hack it to show the VoLTE icon?
3. VoLTE needs to be provisioned at the operator's end - and has to be activated on a user's handset as well.
4. If this person's SIM card is provisioned for VoLTE, let's try making him pop it into another handset which has the *#*#4636#*#* menu working... or maybe even a Samsung menu that can show the IMS provisioning status.
Questions, questions, questions. Also, they've launched CA in Islamabad, but aren't doing it anywhere else. Meanwhile, in Pindi, where I live, 3G is messed up and there seems to be no end in sight to that - unless they launch VoLTE here in Pindi (then all my calling issues will be resolved. Heck, all calling issues wherever 4G is available will be solved. But no, this is Pakistan. Why should progress and innovation rule?)
This is why I keep edging towards Telenor - then remember I'll lose my 25GB with line rent. And my last experience with Telenor (over a year ago) wasn't great - so I wonder if it'll be better this time (it should because of Nokia). But I won't know unless I port to it - and if I'm not happy, bye bye 25GB forever (unless I find another helpful person willing to add my number to their FnF). At least Telenor seems to be doing something... ish...
Anyway, I digress. There are too many questions about VoLTE.
I think he's using one of the Telenor branded Infinity smartphones.
It is technically possible, but root may be required, and I don't think you can root the Telenor phones.
Samsung, Pixels and many other phones only show the VoLTE toggle if it's provisioned by the network, so we can't 'force' enable it. Although I think there's a toggle for Pixel users in the 4636 menu. Anyway, on some phones that I've seen which are running a crude sort of OS like the one in the picture above, they don't usually bother to remove the VoLTE toggle, so you can flip it on and off (its on by default) and nothing actually happens... until now I guess.
On a OnePlus phone that I had, flashing a custom ROM would enable the VoLTE and VoWiFi toggles as well.
Let me ask him if he has another phone to try it on.
This is what annoys me. The area specific rollout of new stuff.
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As far as I know (according to my twitter connection with CCO), Jazz has no plan to launch VoLTE any time soon. It might be official at the end of this year or during first half of next year.
And I think there is something fishy in above post. If VoLTE is provisioned call should have been happened through LTE. Means there could be a software glitch.
And keeping wallpaper of the phone in mind, the phone and sim is by Telenor, and Telenor has enabled VoLTE on their phones via software update. This guy has got a screenshot from somewhere and claiming it for Jazz.
The thing that bothers me is silence of Zong towards VoLTE. WTH are they guys doing.
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As far as I know (according to my twitter connection with CCO), Jazz has no plan to launch VoLTE any time soon. It might be official at the end of this year or during first half of next year.
And I think there is something fishy in above post. If VoLTE is provisioned call should have been happened through LTE. Means there could be a software glitch.
And keeping wallpaper of the phone in mind, the phone and sim is by Telenor, and Telenor has enabled VoLTE on their phones via software update. This guy has got a screenshot from somewhere and claiming it for Jazz.
The thing that bothers me is silence of Zong towards VoLTE. WTH are they guys doing.
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Zong's sleeping. Or maybe they're fulfilling the rollout obligations first, and then they might do something. Or they might not do anything at all.
As far as corporate customers are concerned, I know Mobilink has quite a number (probably the largest now, after their Warid merger). Telenor had the second most (I remember somebody saying this, but correct me if I'm wrong... I'm inclined to believe them because Zong and Ufone have far, far fewer subscribers). Telenor's annual reports show the prepaid/postpaid breakup but Mobilink don't. And the others don't have reports, IIRC, to see such information.
That said, I decided to pop in the Telenor SIM again (oh look, another soliloquy!). I live in a poor 4G coverage area, mind you. This was the best I got:
I did a 3G test afterwards. Whether I'm on a call or not, results were fairly consistent.
You can ignore the ping time for 3G - or for any of the tests, really - it depends on the signal quality and obstructions in place. The lowest ping I got on 3G (no screenshot available) was around 29ms. Which isn't bad for such a crappy place to live in. But that was after fiddling with the placement of the phone. The worst was a bit over 100ms. During calls or not, the speeds wouldn't vary significantly. The highest the phone peaked was at 1.5Mbps - but that too, for a split second. Otherwise, it hovered around 5 Mbps.
I later decided to try 4G again - which was rather problematic since it would either flip-flop between 3G and 4G (where I was sitting) or it wouldn't give me decent 4G speeds... but I managed to pull ~800KB/ss consistently for a few seconds though.
So. While Telenor may not be the speed demon, Nokia's network management seems to be paying some dividends. Thing is - there's no VoLTE on our phones, still :/ but otherwise, the voice quality on 3G is no longer as garbled as it was over a year ago, and 2G voice is also, surprisingly, average (2G can never be "good"). Not like the clusterbomb it was last year, where you could not hear a word the other person would say. And I've tested this at work, where calls always fell down to 2G after a few seconds or so. Now, they don't.
Others with Telenor SIMs lying around, how are your experiences? I can finally say there's a third alternative (the second was Zong). Not as fast as Mobilink or Zong (owing to their stupid spectrum decisions) but it is fairly stable and consistent in my limited testing. Which is good (compared to ZTE)!
Also, I'm just getting sick of Mobilink again. Not because of VoLTE, but because their calls fall down from 3G to 2G in specific spots every single time, and at work (oddly, which is covered with their indoor antennas on another floor, just not ours), their self-service app not showing me my bundle details, the ping times being exponentially high on Pakistani servers.
But OTOH, they've got DC-HSPA+, splendidly fast 4G speeds, fairly decent coverage within the city.
Yeah. I need to evaluate if what I'm paying for Mobilink is worth it. Make a few compromises here and there, perhaps, but if I can lower my bill and get a consistent level of service...
My only qualm is the places where Telenor doesn't have good coverage (almost everywhere), does it work as well as it does at my home? I'm really looking forward to people who use Telenor to share their experiences.
As far as corporate customers are concerned, I know Mobilink has quite a number (probably the largest now, after their Warid merger). Telenor had the second most (I remember somebody saying this, but correct me if I'm wrong... I'm inclined to believe them because Zong and Ufone have far, far fewer subscribers). Telenor's annual reports show the prepaid/postpaid breakup but Mobilink don't. And the others don't have reports, IIRC, to see such information.
That said, I decided to pop in the Telenor SIM again (oh look, another soliloquy!). I live in a poor 4G coverage area, mind you. This was the best I got:
Spoiler: show
I did a 3G test afterwards. Whether I'm on a call or not, results were fairly consistent.
Spoiler: show
You can ignore the ping time for 3G - or for any of the tests, really - it depends on the signal quality and obstructions in place. The lowest ping I got on 3G (no screenshot available) was around 29ms. Which isn't bad for such a crappy place to live in. But that was after fiddling with the placement of the phone. The worst was a bit over 100ms. During calls or not, the speeds wouldn't vary significantly. The highest the phone peaked was at 1.5Mbps - but that too, for a split second. Otherwise, it hovered around 5 Mbps.
I later decided to try 4G again - which was rather problematic since it would either flip-flop between 3G and 4G (where I was sitting) or it wouldn't give me decent 4G speeds... but I managed to pull ~800KB/ss consistently for a few seconds though.
Spoiler: show
So. While Telenor may not be the speed demon, Nokia's network management seems to be paying some dividends. Thing is - there's no VoLTE on our phones, still :/ but otherwise, the voice quality on 3G is no longer as garbled as it was over a year ago, and 2G voice is also, surprisingly, average (2G can never be "good"). Not like the clusterbomb it was last year, where you could not hear a word the other person would say. And I've tested this at work, where calls always fell down to 2G after a few seconds or so. Now, they don't.
Others with Telenor SIMs lying around, how are your experiences? I can finally say there's a third alternative (the second was Zong). Not as fast as Mobilink or Zong (owing to their stupid spectrum decisions) but it is fairly stable and consistent in my limited testing. Which is good (compared to ZTE)!
Also, I'm just getting sick of Mobilink again. Not because of VoLTE, but because their calls fall down from 3G to 2G in specific spots every single time, and at work (oddly, which is covered with their indoor antennas on another floor, just not ours), their self-service app not showing me my bundle details, the ping times being exponentially high on Pakistani servers.
But OTOH, they've got DC-HSPA+, splendidly fast 4G speeds, fairly decent coverage within the city.
Yeah. I need to evaluate if what I'm paying for Mobilink is worth it. Make a few compromises here and there, perhaps, but if I can lower my bill and get a consistent level of service...
My only qualm is the places where Telenor doesn't have good coverage (almost everywhere), does it work as well as it does at my home? I'm really looking forward to people who use Telenor to share their experiences.
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