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^ EwwW !!

So, I watched the whole damn spoilercast.
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Fuck Drunkmann still!!!
It's like, just to make a sequel out of MGS 4, some random hick bludgeons Old Snake *who is happily retired & is enjoying his normal civil human life* to death, in front of Sunny & then she goes on a rampage to avenge him!

You don't treat these characters like that. Tlou 2 as a game is fantastic, it's ND after all BUT I absolutely hate it at the same time.


The End. (sm1)
 

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Fitting that someone who openly didn't understand the plot and characterizations calls it a 'Teenage Romcom Zombie Drama.' :clap

Also the people who like posts like that :clap

So, I watched the whole damn spoilercast.
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Fuck Drunkmann still!!!
It's like, just to make a sequel out of MGS 4, some random hick bludgeons Old Snake *who is happily retired & is enjoying his normal civil human life* to death, in front of Sunny & then she goes on a rampage to avenge him!

You don't treat these characters like that. Tlou 2 as a game is fantastic, it's ND after all BUT I absolutely hate it at the same time.


The End. (sm1)
You're overthinking it.

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Ellie and Dina talk about all the possible groups that could have come after Joel at the start of Seattle Day 1. It doesn't really matter who or why Joel was killed, it was just a catalyst for this particular revenge plot.

Abby doesn't even know that Ellie is killing her friends until the end of Seattle Day 3, in the grand scheme of things, Ellie's revenge story doesn't mean that much to Abby until Seattle Day 3, she is preoccupied with the WLF and Seraphites plot.

TLoU 2 is a game about revenge and hate as Druckman said and Joel's death was the catalyst.
 

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lol @ the Angry Joe review. I respect his opinion, but I don't agree with it.

Also, someone please point out which gameplay features were cut out from the original E3 2018 gameplay demo in this "simple" linear game.

 
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Fitting that someone who openly didn't understand the plot and characterizations calls it a 'Teenage Romcom Zombie Drama.' :clap

Also the people who like posts like that :clap



You're overthinking it.

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Ellie and Dina talk about all the possible groups that could have come after Joel at the start of Seattle Day 1. It doesn't really matter who or why Joel was killed, it was just a catalyst for this particular revenge plot.

Abby doesn't even know that Ellie is killing her friends until the end of Seattle Day 3, in the grand scheme of things, Ellie's revenge story doesn't mean that much to Abby until Seattle Day 3, she is preoccupied with the WLF and Seraphites plot.

TLoU 2 is a game about revenge and hate as Druckman said and Joel's death was the catalyst.
Seems like you are coming up with confusing non existing hypothetical scenarios. And I am confused lol.

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you know what, scratch that. I was completely off base

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I thought for sure there was a QTE in the drowning part, but it seems like there wasn't, the only QTE is in the part where Ellie is trying to drive a knife into Abby.
That would've been cool actually.

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There's a point where Abby is knocked up on the ground and you have to press square to initiate the drowning sequence. The whole fight was so sad that I didn't press square because I didn't want to hurt Abby. After a few seconds she stands up to fight again but you go back to that square prompt after giving her a punch. Anyway, Ellie doesn't kill her so that was satisfying to me. Some people wanted Abby to die and hate her in general but I don't get that after going through Abby's complete story.
 
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One downside of writing a nuanced and deep story is that a lot of superficial gamers who are used to feel good stuff and the usual good guy/bad guy tropes don't get it, as is the case with some in this thread and elsewhere on the internet. And I'm not talking about the story interpretation which may differ, but the facts. So it's about comprehension as well but then, for someone who got triggered and had decided years ago that he will hate the game no matter what, nothing is going to work - which is why these biased and dishonest opinions are irrelevant. What I can respect are critical opinions that come without any preconceptions and prejudices and are based on the actual game experience (and not limited to two brain cell phrases).

Going to mention some of the story points that not only justified the story, but explained it very well and made it meaningful. Also some bittersweet moments that I didn't like as much but can see how they still drive the point of the story home.

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- When Tommy is found in Seattle and he has a discussion with Jesse and Ellie in the theater, Ellie agrees with his plan to go back to Jackson now that some of the WLF guys involved in Joel's murder are killed. Abby is alive but at least they got some revenge. "It has to be okay", Ellie says. Ellie isn't a mindless psychopath who would just kill all of WLF. Her whole quest was fueled by PTSD after Joel's death that stayed with her till the very end. But she still called it quits and was willing to go back. That is exactly when Jesse is killed and Tommy and Dina are harmed by Abby, which triggers Ellie's trauma and the urge for revenge again.
- Abby didn't know she is restarting the cycle of revenge by killing Jesse, who was a nobody to her and he and Tommy stood in her way when she was there to get Ellie. From her perspective, it was kinda justified after having seen her friends dead in the aquarium. Again, she didn't know that they were killed in self-defense and even Ellie had a breakdown after that. Ellie had killed no one voluntarily at this point, except Nora who was dying anyway. She had made fun of Joel's death but more importantly, she was harmed for intel on Abby. Jordan, Owen, Mel...none of them were killed with the intent to kill even though all of them were involved in Joel's murder. Ellie's restraint was remarkable despite her trauma. The same might be said of Abby since she let go of Ellie twice, realizing that her beef was with Joel even though her friends died at Ellie's hands (even if in self-defense).
- The story had a good conclusion when Ellie was living with Dina at the farm and Abby was happy with Lev, hoping to find Fireflies. Tommy comes up with a lead to Abby when Ellie was trying hard to recover and let go. That was bad timing and bad trigger. Tommy should've known what Ellie has went through and why there needs to be an end to it. After all, he was the one to suggest they go back to Jackson from Seattle without killing Abby, and that was when things were pretty bad for everyone. But now Ellie and Dina were doing okay, had a baby, and Ellie was trying to get over her trauma. Abby wasn't bothering them anymore and had let Ellie and Dina go when she could've killed them. Sure, there's a cost of revenge - Jesse died in avenging Joel but Owen and Nora died too and they were close to Abby. Both Ellie and Abby were done after paying this price, but Tommy ko ungli karni thi (maybe because he had separated from Maria and ab kuch karne ko tha nhi :p especially considering his disability which made him no longer fit for patrols, hunting, etc.).
- I think Abby's story and character is great but it isn't appreciated as much as it deserves and that's mostly because of people stuck up in the prologue. She lost her dad, the man she loved, other friends, and she had been struggling for a normal meaningful life. The death of Joel for the fans is one thing but it's something quite different from Abby's perspective which needs to be understood even if one disagrees with the story execution. In fact, IMO, Abby's revenge justifies Ellie's complete story that can't be justified otherwise. By trying to kill Abby for the murder of her father figure, Ellie validates Abby killing Joel for the death of her father. Ellie is basically saying that yes, if someone kills your dad then revenge is justified. But paradoxically, she should then understand Abby's actions which she doesn't because by the same token, Ellie's revenge is justified as well. That means the only way out is breaking the cycle, by not avenging a murder even if you feel it is justified to do so because you can see its never ending harm and loss of life. Abby realizes this before Ellie when she lets them go in the theater. Ellie realizes it at the very end after loosing what was left in her life.
- This is where the Yara and Lev story is important. It gives a kind of meaning to Abby's life that lets her see the bigger picture, unlike Ellie. Abby hated Scars and couldn't understand why anyone would join them, as she says to Owen at one point. But she ends up finding meaning and some satisfaction by helping her 'enemies', even at the cost of going against her friends (WLF). This is partly influenced by the fact that Lev and Yara save her life. Here she sees that not everything is black and white, that these Scars are outcasts themselves. The line between 'us and them' has been blurred, which lets them see the bigger picture where they simply connect in their shared humanity and empathy beyond this or that group. This gives some sort of redemption to Abby as before this sequence, she sees her dad lying dead in the firefly hospital (in a flashback) and Lev and Yara are hanged and killed (in a dream), but after she had helped them her dad is alive and is smiling at her (in another flashback). This explains why she would be more willing to let go of revenge and not kill Dina and Ellie in the theater, especially when Lev calls to her and gives her a compassionate look as he has been a key part in her redemption.
- I initially felt that the Lev and Yara story is being dragged and is needless (finding the supplies to save Yara, going to the Scar island to save Lev). But as mentioned above, it gives meaning to Abby's character in a good way. Plus, Lev and Abby sequences have some of the best level design and gameplay moments. Yara dying on the island despite Abby doing so much to save her also projects the futility of a revenge quest in which people close to you can and will die meaningless and needless deaths. Perhaps this is why Abby stops before Lev is taken away from her as well.
- Unlike Tommy, Abby had simply no one left who'd take her back to the path of revenge and she had made peace with her life with Lev. Ellie was trying to do the same with Dina but then comes Tommy. This is the bittersweet part for me because the game from here on did not need to continue and would have been a good ending in itself, but it also makes a good point about how you can lose literally everything if you are consumed by trauma and revenge. The saddest bit was seeing Abby all starved and nearly dead when she was just looking for a better future and had nothing to do with revenge anymore. Likewise, Ellie trying to play guitar but being unable to do so while also being completely alone and abandoned. "If I ever were to lose you, I'd surely lose myself". Literally true. It sums up the whole story nicely after Joel's death. Perhaps another good bit of continuing the story after Tommy's lead is that Ellie seems to have gotten over her trauma in the end while drowning Abby. She can finally see the happy Joel. This is also an indication that the story, if it were to continue in Part 3, would not go in the revenge direction. The Fireflies said on the radio that they are in a round building near Catalina island. Idk if the menu screen shows this place or the place where Ellie had docked in her final quest.
 

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That would've been cool actually.

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There's a point where Abby is knocked up on the ground and you have to press square to initiate the drowning sequence. The whole fight was so sad that I didn't press square because I didn't want to hurt Abby. After a few seconds she stands up to fight again but you go back to that square prompt after giving her a punch. Anyway, Ellie doesn't kill her so that was satisfying to me. Some people wanted Abby to die and hate her in general but I don't get that after going through Abby's complete story.
Yes.

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I may have misheard the point, but there are definitely multiple moments where it feels like you're playing as Abby fighting not to killed by Ellie in that fight from a controlling stand point.



One downside of writing a nuanced and deep story is that a lot of superficial gamers who are used to feel good stuff and the usual good guy/bad guy tropes don't get it, as is the case with some in this thread and elsewhere on the internet. And I'm not talking about the story interpretation which may differ, but the facts. So it's about comprehension as well but then, for someone who got triggered and had decided years ago that he will hate the game no matter what, nothing is going to work - which is why these biased and dishonest opinions are irrelevant. What I can respect are critical opinions that come without any preconceptions and prejudices and are based on the actual game experience (and not limited to two brain cell phrases).

Going to mention some of the story points that not only justified the story, but explained it very well and made it meaningful. Also some bittersweet moments that I didn't like as much but can see how they still drive the point of the story home.

Spoiler: show

- When Tommy is found in Seattle and he has a discussion with Jesse and Ellie in the theater, Ellie agrees with his plan to go back to Jackson now that some of the WLF guys involved in Joel's murder are killed. Abby is alive but at least they got some revenge. "It has to be okay", Ellie says. Ellie isn't a mindless psychopath who would just kill all of WLF. Her whole quest was fueled by PTSD after Joel's death that stayed with her till the very end. But she still called it quits and was willing to go back. That is exactly when Jesse is killed and Tommy and Dina are harmed by Abby, which triggers Ellie's trauma and the urge for revenge again.
- Abby didn't know she is restarting the cycle of revenge by killing Jesse, who was a nobody to her and he and Tommy stood in her way when she was there to get Ellie. From her perspective, it was kinda justified after having seen her friends dead in the aquarium. Again, she didn't know that they were killed in self-defense and even Ellie had a breakdown after that. Ellie had killed no one voluntarily at this point, except Nora who was dying anyway. She had made fun of Joel's death but more importantly, she was harmed for intel on Abby. Jordan, Owen, Mel...none of them were killed with the intent to kill even though all of them were involved in Joel's murder. Ellie's restraint was remarkable despite her trauma. The same might be said of Abby since she let go of Ellie twice, realizing that her beef was with Joel even though her friends died at Ellie's hands (even if in self-defense).
- The story had a good conclusion when Ellie was living with Dina at the farm and Abby was happy with Lev, hoping to find Fireflies. Tommy comes up with a lead to Abby when Ellie was trying hard to recover and let go. That was bad timing and bad trigger. Tommy should've known what Ellie has went through and why there needs to be an end to it. After all, he was the one to suggest they go back to Jackson from Seattle without killing Abby, and that was when things were pretty bad for everyone. But now Ellie and Dina were doing okay, had a baby, and Ellie was trying to get over her trauma. Abby wasn't bothering them anymore and had let Ellie and Dina go when she could've killed them. Sure, there's a cost of revenge - Jesse died in avenging Joel but Owen and Nora died too and they were close to Abby. Both Ellie and Abby were done after paying this price, but Tommy ko ungli karni thi (maybe because he had separated from Maria and ab kuch karne ko tha nhi :p especially considering his disability which made him no longer fit for patrols, hunting, etc.).
- I think Abby's story and character is great but it isn't appreciated as much as it deserves and that's mostly because of people stuck up in the prologue. She lost her dad, the man she loved, other friends, and she had been struggling for a normal meaningful life. The death of Joel for the fans is one thing but it's something quite different from Abby's perspective which needs to be understood even if one disagrees with the story execution. In fact, IMO, Abby's revenge justifies Ellie's complete story that can't be justified otherwise. By trying to kill Abby for the murder of her father figure, Ellie validates Abby killing Joel for the death of her father. Ellie is basically saying that yes, if someone kills your dad then revenge is justified. But paradoxically, she should then understand Abby's actions which she doesn't because by the same token, Ellie's revenge is justified as well. That means the only way out is breaking the cycle, by not avenging a murder even if you feel it is justified to do so because you can see its never ending harm and loss of life. Abby realizes this before Ellie when she lets them go in the theater. Ellie realizes it at the very end after loosing what was left in her life.
- This is where the Yara and Lev story is important. It gives a kind of meaning to Abby's life that lets her see the bigger picture, unlike Ellie. Abby hated Scars and couldn't understand why anyone would join them, as she says to Owen at one point. But she ends up finding meaning and some satisfaction by helping her 'enemies', even at the cost of going against her friends (WLF). This is partly influenced by the fact that Lev and Yara save her life. Here she sees that not everything is black and white, that these Scars are outcasts themselves. The line between 'us and them' has been blurred, which lets them see the bigger picture where they simply connect in their shared humanity and empathy beyond this or that group. This gives some sort of redemption to Abby as before this sequence, she sees her dad lying dead in the firefly hospital (in a flashback) and Lev and Yara are hanged and killed (in a dream), but after she had helped them her dad is alive and is smiling at her (in another flashback). This explains why she would be more willing to let go of revenge and not kill Dina and Ellie in the theater, especially when Lev calls to her and gives her a compassionate look as he has been a key part in her redemption.
- I initially felt that the Lev and Yara story is being dragged and is needless (finding the supplies to save Yara, going to the Scar island to save Lev). But as mentioned above, it gives meaning to Abby's character in a good way. Plus, Lev and Abby sequences have some of the best level design and gameplay moments. Yara dying on the island despite Abby doing so much to save her also projects the futility of a revenge quest in which people close to you can and will die meaningless and needless deaths. Perhaps this is why Abby stops before Lev is taken away from her as well.
- Unlike Tommy, Abby had simply no one left who'd take her back to the path of revenge and she had made peace with her life with Lev. Ellie was trying to do the same with Dina but then comes Tommy. This is the bittersweet part for me because the game from here on did not need to continue and would have been a good ending in itself, but it also makes a good point about how you can lose literally everything if you are consumed by trauma and revenge. The saddest bit was seeing Abby all starved and nearly dead when she was just looking for a better future and had nothing to do with revenge anymore. Likewise, Ellie trying to play guitar but being unable to do so while also being completely alone and abandoned. "If I ever were to lose you, I'd surely lose myself". Literally true. It sums up the whole story nicely after Joel's death. Perhaps another good bit of continuing the story after Tommy's lead is that Ellie seems to have gotten over her trauma in the end while drowning Abby. She can finally see the happy Joel. This is also an indication that the story, if it were to continue in Part 3, would not go in the revenge direction. The Fireflies said on the radio that they are in a round building near Catalina island. Idk if the menu screen shows this place or the place where Ellie had docked in her final quest.

Great write up.

Regarding your final spoiler.

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Yes, that is indeed the Fireflies building on Catalina Island. Druckmann confirmed in the spoiler cast. He did not out right say that Abby made it to the fireflies but you can put 2 and 2 together. It's the same boat.

Also as others have pointed, Ellie is wearing Dina's bracelet in the final visit to the farm, she does not have it on her in Santa Barbara, meaning the farm segment was probably some time after everything was done and she may or may not have made it back up with Dina.


lAlso, someone please point out which gameplay features were cut out from the original E3 2018 gameplay demo in this "simple" linear game.

Didn't you know, Ellie used to wall jump and customize her vehicles (lmao)
 
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I thought for sure there was a QTE in the drowning part
That would've been pretty cool actually.

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The QTE could have resulted in Ellie's hate-filled expression gradually turning to one of remorse. But I suppose Neil and co. wanted us (the player) to detest the actions the game is forcing us to perform.
 

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One downside of writing a nuanced and deep story is that a lot of superficial gamers who are used to feel good stuff and the usual good guy/bad guy tropes don't get it, as is the case with some in this thread and elsewhere on the internet. And I'm not talking about the story interpretation which may differ, but the facts. So it's about comprehension as well but then, for someone who got triggered and had decided years ago that he will hate the game no matter what, nothing is going to work - which is why these biased and dishonest opinions are irrelevant. What I can respect are critical opinions that come without any preconceptions and prejudices and are based on the actual game experience (and not limited to two brain cell phrases).

Going to mention some of the story points that not only justified the story, but explained it very well and made it meaningful. Also some bittersweet moments that I didn't like as much but can see how they still drive the point of the story home.

Spoiler: show

- When Tommy is found in Seattle and he has a discussion with Jesse and Ellie in the theater, Ellie agrees with his plan to go back to Jackson now that some of the WLF guys involved in Joel's murder are killed. Abby is alive but at least they got some revenge. "It has to be okay", Ellie says. Ellie isn't a mindless psychopath who would just kill all of WLF. Her whole quest was fueled by PTSD after Joel's death that stayed with her till the very end. But she still called it quits and was willing to go back. That is exactly when Jesse is killed and Tommy and Dina are harmed by Abby, which triggers Ellie's trauma and the urge for revenge again.
- Abby didn't know she is restarting the cycle of revenge by killing Jesse, who was a nobody to her and he and Tommy stood in her way when she was there to get Ellie. From her perspective, it was kinda justified after having seen her friends dead in the aquarium. Again, she didn't know that they were killed in self-defense and even Ellie had a breakdown after that. Ellie had killed no one voluntarily at this point, except Nora who was dying anyway. She had made fun of Joel's death but more importantly, she was harmed for intel on Abby. Jordan, Owen, Mel...none of them were killed with the intent to kill even though all of them were involved in Joel's murder. Ellie's restraint was remarkable despite her trauma. The same might be said of Abby since she let go of Ellie twice, realizing that her beef was with Joel even though her friends died at Ellie's hands (even if in self-defense).
- The story had a good conclusion when Ellie was living with Dina at the farm and Abby was happy with Lev, hoping to find Fireflies. Tommy comes up with a lead to Abby when Ellie was trying hard to recover and let go. That was bad timing and bad trigger. Tommy should've known what Ellie has went through and why there needs to be an end to it. After all, he was the one to suggest they go back to Jackson from Seattle without killing Abby, and that was when things were pretty bad for everyone. But now Ellie and Dina were doing okay, had a baby, and Ellie was trying to get over her trauma. Abby wasn't bothering them anymore and had let Ellie and Dina go when she could've killed them. Sure, there's a cost of revenge - Jesse died in avenging Joel but Owen and Nora died too and they were close to Abby. Both Ellie and Abby were done after paying this price, but Tommy ko ungli karni thi (maybe because he had separated from Maria and ab kuch karne ko tha nhi :p especially considering his disability which made him no longer fit for patrols, hunting, etc.).
- I think Abby's story and character is great but it isn't appreciated as much as it deserves and that's mostly because of people stuck up in the prologue. She lost her dad, the man she loved, other friends, and she had been struggling for a normal meaningful life. The death of Joel for the fans is one thing but it's something quite different from Abby's perspective which needs to be understood even if one disagrees with the story execution. In fact, IMO, Abby's revenge justifies Ellie's complete story that can't be justified otherwise. By trying to kill Abby for the murder of her father figure, Ellie validates Abby killing Joel for the death of her father. Ellie is basically saying that yes, if someone kills your dad then revenge is justified. But paradoxically, she should then understand Abby's actions which she doesn't because by the same token, Ellie's revenge is justified as well. That means the only way out is breaking the cycle, by not avenging a murder even if you feel it is justified to do so because you can see its never ending harm and loss of life. Abby realizes this before Ellie when she lets them go in the theater. Ellie realizes it at the very end after loosing what was left in her life.
- This is where the Yara and Lev story is important. It gives a kind of meaning to Abby's life that lets her see the bigger picture, unlike Ellie. Abby hated Scars and couldn't understand why anyone would join them, as she says to Owen at one point. But she ends up finding meaning and some satisfaction by helping her 'enemies', even at the cost of going against her friends (WLF). This is partly influenced by the fact that Lev and Yara save her life. Here she sees that not everything is black and white, that these Scars are outcasts themselves. The line between 'us and them' has been blurred, which lets them see the bigger picture where they simply connect in their shared humanity and empathy beyond this or that group. This gives some sort of redemption to Abby as before this sequence, she sees her dad lying dead in the firefly hospital (in a flashback) and Lev and Yara are hanged and killed (in a dream), but after she had helped them her dad is alive and is smiling at her (in another flashback). This explains why she would be more willing to let go of revenge and not kill Dina and Ellie in the theater, especially when Lev calls to her and gives her a compassionate look as he has been a key part in her redemption.
- I initially felt that the Lev and Yara story is being dragged and is needless (finding the supplies to save Yara, going to the Scar island to save Lev). But as mentioned above, it gives meaning to Abby's character in a good way. Plus, Lev and Abby sequences have some of the best level design and gameplay moments. Yara dying on the island despite Abby doing so much to save her also projects the futility of a revenge quest in which people close to you can and will die meaningless and needless deaths. Perhaps this is why Abby stops before Lev is taken away from her as well.
- Unlike Tommy, Abby had simply no one left who'd take her back to the path of revenge and she had made peace with her life with Lev. Ellie was trying to do the same with Dina but then comes Tommy. This is the bittersweet part for me because the game from here on did not need to continue and would have been a good ending in itself, but it also makes a good point about how you can lose literally everything if you are consumed by trauma and revenge. The saddest bit was seeing Abby all starved and nearly dead when she was just looking for a better future and had nothing to do with revenge anymore. Likewise, Ellie trying to play guitar but being unable to do so while also being completely alone and abandoned. "If I ever were to lose you, I'd surely lose myself". Literally true. It sums up the whole story nicely after Joel's death. Perhaps another good bit of continuing the story after Tommy's lead is that Ellie seems to have gotten over her trauma in the end while drowning Abby. She can finally see the happy Joel. This is also an indication that the story, if it were to continue in Part 3, would not go in the revenge direction. The Fireflies said on the radio that they are in a round building near Catalina island. Idk if the menu screen shows this place or the place where Ellie had docked in her final quest.
You are claiming that you are some higher being with next level of understanding and rest of the people are beneath you. Frankly people like you and this attitude is the reason this game is getting this much flak.

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You are claiming that Abby helped Scars? Lol she was protecting Lev from Scars. Abby infact never sided with anyone. She was helping Yara and Lev for some unknown reason. Game never explained her motivations. Maybe both the sisters saved Abby from the Scars. But then again she golfed the shit out of Joel for saving her too. As Mel rightly said to her "Abby you are piece of shit, you destroy everything you touch"

Tommy ko ungli thee to get revenge for his brother, but when Abby does it, its is fine? What kind of logic is this.
 
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Franny that's not what Solitary said at all, every time you post in this thread you show us a bit more how little you understand (lmao).

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He's talking about Abby helping Lev and Yara (who are scars) in general despite hating their kind inherently because that's whats she has been taught by the WLF.

She wasn't helping for 'some unknown reason', she went back to check on them because she felt guilty for leaving them alone in the first place cause they saved her and she just left them in an abandoned office, hence she has the nightmare where she sees them gutted and hanging.

And the game made it pretty obvious Abby and her crew are in Jackson for the specific purpose of hunting Joel, it wouldn't be much of a revenge journey if they just met them, escaped some infected and went back.


If this is the half-baked uninformed level of 'flak' the game is receiving, I think we're all gonna be A-OK (lmao).
 

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Franny that's not what Solitary said at all, every time you post in this thread you show us a bit more how little you understand (lmao).

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He's talking about Abby helping Lev and Yara (who are scars) in general despite hating their kind inherently because that's whats she has been taught by the WLF.

She wasn't helping for 'some unknown reason', she went back to check on them because she felt guilty for leaving them alone in the first place cause they saved her and she just left them in an abandoned office, hence she has the nightmare where she sees them gutted and hanging.

And the game made it pretty obvious Abby and her crew are in Jackson for the specific purpose of hunting Joel, it wouldn't be much of a revenge journey if they just met them, escaped some infected and went back.


If this is the half-baked uninformed level of 'flak' the game is receiving, I think we're all gonna be A-OK (lmao).
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Solitary the literary genius just claimed that Abby saw the other side of Scars. Please explain to me where. Infact when Abby first saw Yara and Lev things were pretty bad. I have no clue where Abby got a soft spot for Scars. Please read his 500 word gibberish and ranting.


I am really feeling bad for you. The unhealthy obsession with the game is chewing you from the inside. The sales of this game are dropped faster than Uncharted 4. Please try another game. I know this game has nothing to show off, just a stupid story to run circles around.
 
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You are claiming that Abby helped Scars? Lol she was protecting Lev from Scars. Abby infact never sided with anyone. She was helping Yara and Lev for some unknown reason.
The unknown reason you speak of is empathy. The same empathy that Joel felt for Ellie in the first game.

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Solitary the literary genius just claimed that Abby saw the other side of Scars. Please explain to me where.

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She starts to see the other side of the picture when she reads about Issac killing the Seraphite leader, and her becoming a Martyr.
 

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The unknown reason you speak of is empathy. The same empathy that Joel felt for Ellie in the first game.
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Yes the same Empathy which Joel felt on his head. Which ND so desperately tried to wash off throughout the game. Yes Abby can pet the dogs, she saves Zebras, she saved a Tran boy who eventually killed his own mother.

Yes most of us are not so easy to be manipulated by these onscreen emotional gymnastics
 
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You are claiming that you are some higher being with next level of understanding and rest of the people are beneath you. Frankly people like you and this attitude is the reason this game is getting this much flak.

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You are claiming that Abby helped Scars? Lol she was protecting Lev from Scars. Abby infact never sided with anyone. She was helping Yara and Lev for some unknown reason. Game never explained her motivations. Maybe both the sisters saved Abby from the Scars. But then again she golfed the shit out of Joel for saving her too.

Tommy ko ungli thee to get revenge for his brother, but when Abby does it, its is fine? What kind of logic is this.
Lol yes, it's nice to be able to comprehend and analyse well and not just throw around phrases like 'murder porn' and 'teenage romcom zombie drama' which obviously reflects the epitome of human intellect and thoughtful criticism, right?

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- Scars being Lev and Yara. I've only talked about these two Scars. Abby protected them from Scars as well as WLF later in the game (though she couldn't protect Yara but helped her a great deal).
- What you mean Abby never sided with anyone? She was a hardcore wolf. She trained with them from a young age so she can take her revenge. She had a falling out when Owen went missing and Isaac wouldn't do anything about that.
- "She was helping Yara and Lev for some unknown reason. Game never explained her motivations."
- Umm, no. Lev asks her why she is doing it. She says 'guilt', and goes on to say that she "needed to lighten the load a bit". Another motivation is her dream in which both Lev and Yara are hanged dead. She goes after them right after that.
 

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Solitary the literary genius just claimed that Abby saw the other side of Scars. Please explain to me where. Infact when Abby first saw Yara and Lev things were pretty bad. I have no clue where Abby got a soft spot for Scars. Please read his 500 word gibberish and ranting.


I am really feeling bad for you. The unhealthy obsession with the game is chewing you from the inside. The sales of this game are dropped faster than Uncharted 4. Please try another game. I know this game has nothing to show off, just a stupid story to run circles around.
Bhao baaki San chori first provide a link or source for your sales claim please.

It's bad that you didn't understand the game, it's even worse that guys like you have to make up outright lies lol.
 
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Regarding your final spoiler.

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Yes, that is indeed the Fireflies building on Catalina Island. Druckmann confirmed in the spoiler cast. He did not out right say that Abby made it to the fireflies but you can put 2 and 2 together. It's the same boat.

Also as others have pointed, Ellie is wearing Dina's bracelet in the final visit to the farm, she does not have it on her in Santa Barbara, meaning the farm segment was probably some time after everything was done and she may or may not have made it back up with Dina.
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That's good to think of. Makes the ending more meaningful and is also a good direction for a sequel imo.

The bracelet bit is more speculative and I'm less hopeful for a patch up between the two of them. I'd be pretty pissed if I were Dina plus she has support from Jesse's family and might have been in a relationship with someone else. Before Ellie leaves, she tells her crying that "I'm not gonna do this again" and Ellie says, "It's up to you". Ellie shouldn't hope for a patch up after this nor should Dina look back at her, but I won't mind if they do get back together. That would be good too.


I just got reminded of something guys!

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When you free the prisoners in the end and ask them about Abby, two of them say quite confidently that she was bit and is left for dead at the pillars. They even say that she might have turned by now. Why was this emphasized but turned out to be false? Is Abby immune like Ellie? Is this why she is going to the fireflies? She had a reason to not do that earlier because of WLF stuff and revenge but now that everyone's dead and she found the fireflies, is this just her looking for another group to join? Why would she do that and risk death again by working for them instead of just living peacefully with Lev? Why would the prisoners lie about her being infected? I think she's immune. :D


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Solitary the literary genius just claimed that Abby saw the other side of Scars. Please explain to me where. Infact when Abby first saw Yara and Lev things were pretty bad. I have no clue where Abby got a soft spot for Scars. Please read his 500 word gibberish and ranting.


I am really feeling bad for you. The unhealthy obsession with the game is chewing you from the inside. The sales of this game are dropped faster than Uncharted 4. Please try another game. I know this game has nothing to show off, just a stupid story to run circles around.
LMAO ye kya hai? Shakespearean poetry perhaps. :p And check the entitlement. Banda spoon feed bhi karay poori story aur baatain bhi sunay. Aap ka homework hai ye, mera nahi. But I'm going to do it one last time.

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Others have explained it already. By interacting with Lev and Yara and not just killing Scars, she learns about their side of the story and realizes that they are normal people too. People being devout to their Prophetess and her teachings, living by rules and discipline, but most importantly she could relate to Lev and Yara being outcasts who have lost everything because eventually she had lost everyone as well and was an enemy to both Scars and WLF - like Lev and Yara. By the time Abby is in the Scar village, she doesn't agree with WLF destroying their land and killing them because it would create more martyrs and rebels and perhaps also because she can see that they too are trying to survive and build a community. Abby got a soft spot for particularly two Scars - Lev and Yara - because she knows them, was saved by them, and protected them in return. She also actively killed what were her own people, the WLF, only to protect these two Scars, which the WLF couldn't understand of course because they were just Scars for them but by then, they were pretty much friends for Abby. "You are my people", as Abby says to Lev.
 

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I just got reminded of something guys!

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When you free the prisoners in the end and ask them about Abby, two of them say quite confidently that she was bit and is left for dead at the pillars. They even say that she might have turned by now. Why was this emphasized but turned out to be false? Is Abby immune like Ellie? Is this why she is going to the fireflies? She had a reason to not do that earlier because of WLF stuff and revenge but now that everyone's dead and she found the fireflies, is this just her looking for another group to join? Why would she do that and risk death again by working for them instead of just living peacefully with Lev? Why would the prisoners lie about her being infected? I think she's immune. :D
I also got confused about this after reading a Reddit post lol

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They were talking about Ellie being bit. The fresh bite mark she gets from the clicker.
 

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^ Yes

what CT said.

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They are talking specifically about Ellie which is why some of them suddenly point guns at Ellie. Her recent clicker bite mark is pretty obvious on her arm.

Which also makes you think. Abby has absolutely no idea who Ellie is, about her immunity etc. Yet she still spares Ellie twice. Outside of her thirst for revenge on Joel, she's the far more level-headed one of the two.
 
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Okay, I got that wrong. Yeah, I remember Ellie was bit on her hand.

One thing Ellie says to Abby in the theater scene got me confused. She says, "I know why you killed Joel. He did what he did to save me. There's no cure because of me, I'm the one you want." Abby just responds by saying that "you killed my friends. I let you live and you wasted it." She doesn't seem to realize who Ellie is. I mean, the firefly doctor was her dad and she was there when he was telling Marlene that the procedure would kill Ellie. She tells her dad that she'd want him to do the same thing if it was her [in Ellie's place]. They don't overtly show that Abby knows about the young Ellie or even if she knows, she may not recognize her now that she's older. But Ellie telling her that there's no cure because of me should bring back the memory. Idk what to make of it.
 
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