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mani mere non spoiler pics to na spoil karo yar :p

no one opens tags and koi meri awesome pisc nahi dekhe ga :p
 

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This game being rated higher than Witcher 3 is just unbelievable.
That's just how opinions work. The Witcher 3 isn't even close to a 92 for me (more like low 80s with tons of caveats), but that's its Metascore and it was a critical success. There will always be a crowd that doesn't like a game that resonates with the vast majority of critics.

Btw, TLOU part 1 is also rated higher than Witcher 3, not just part 2.

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Kill hundred of people who didn't killed your father figure don't feel remorse. Kill few people who killed your father feel remorse and forgive the one who brutally killed your father. Piece of shit story. I wonder how many women were actually pregnant but not visibly, were killed by Ellie and Abby. Enemies who don't have lines butcher them no problem but characters who have few lines we should feel sorry for them.
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If Ellie hadn't killed those 100s of people, they would have killed her instead. Neither members of the WLF/Seraphites/Rattlers were saints to begin with. The game establishes that quite prominently. Ellie also makes some terrible choices in her rage/PTSD. There are no good guys in this story.

As to why Ellie spared Abby, well, Abby spared Ellie's life not once but twice, so there's that. Also, the deplorable state Abby was already in, it was worse than death imo. Ellie was finally able to overcome her rage and break the cycle of revenge. Because if she had killed Abby and spared Lev, the latter would've come after her.
 
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^ The last line, 100% true.
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Abby and Lev have the same dynamic as Joel and Ellie did, so if Lev witnessed Ellie kill Abby, he would have come back and tried to hunt down Ellie which could have resulted in Dina or the baby's death.
 

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TLoU 2 tracking much higher than both Spider Man and God of War for sales based on unique trophy data.


bu bu i thought the leaks meant it will flop :laugh1:



 

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[MENTION=218]CerebralTiger[/MENTION]

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Story is shit. There is no way someone will spare someone if they killed their father in front of them in that brutal way. No matter what ever anyone says wouldn't change that. There is no way a person like Ellie who has killed so many people would spare Abby. In no universe that would happen. Abby is a shit psychopath character, Joel saved her she still killed him in the most brutal way possible.


I despise number ratings we have now. Witcher 3 has so many characters and stories and so good to play. You are right everyone has opinions I think TLOU2 has good graphics, sound and animation but shit story. In my opinion it will not age well. TLOU1 is better game than 2 but no way better than Witcher 3. Don't care about critics rating. TLOU1 combat was shit but 2s combat is better but still not that great. There are many TPS games which has much better shooting than this.

Witcher 3 is not my favorite series. But I think it is the best game ever made. From vanilla game to DLC everything was done great. I am way passed the point where i would call my favourite game best ever or GOTY just because it's from my favourite series. I understand some people are such fan of a series that they would rate every game in that series high and say its the best game ever. Even shit games like RE6 are praised and Turds like RE3 remake are considered GOTY. Or if a game is exclusive to their console.

But it is true majority of the people love TLOU2. Maybe it is a great game and maybe GOTY and I somehow don't get it. I think maybe because I am not a fan of linear story and gameplay that's why I just consider it to be 8/10 at best. No game is perfect. This one is far from it.
 

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. Even shit games like RE6 are praised and Turds like RE3 remake are considered GOTY. Or if a game is exclusive to their console.
Hey now, be nice :(

On topic, it's completely fine to not like a game, it seems to have a polarizing effect but more heavily inclined towards the positive end. It's a very simple "violence begets more violence" tale but told in typical ND fashion with excellent audio/visual presentation and some of the best 'virtual acting' ever we have seen till date.

Regarding your spoiler.

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Both Ellie and Abby are pieces of shit, but the way the game portrays it, besides her vendetta against Joel, Abby is actually more 'sane' than Ellie, she does not kill anyone besides Joel in Jackson, she forces her group to spare Tommy and Ellie. Ellie on the other hand murders multiple people in positions where they won't be a threat to her (eg the Rattler guy she guns down after getting out of the trap), in that sense Abby actually comes off as the more likable character of the two IMO. She even spares both Ellie and Dina right after finding out that Ellie murdered her ex and his pregnant wife/GF. At least she wants to set a good example for Lev.

But by the end it's pretty obvious Ellie knows there's no way to spare her sanity which is why she's crying like a maniac when she's drowning Abby. Her seeing Joel is just there to show her that forgiveness is the only way to get rid of her PTSD at that point, which is driven home when you see that flashback scene in full. Even knowing that Joel basically doomed humanity to save her, Ellie says she is willing to forgive him and get back to their normal relationship, unfortunately the next morning Joel gets golfed.


Is it high-brow artsy fartsy stuff ? yes.
Did I like it regardless ? Absolutely yes.
Is it OK that some people might not ? Of course.

Because none of the above takes away from ND's vision of what they wanted the game to be, nor the critical (and soon commercial) success it has received.
 

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TLoU 2 tracking much higher than both Spider Man and God of War for sales based on unique trophy data.


bu bu i thought the leaks meant it will flop :laugh1:


I am sorry but these are criminally short numbers. Look at Nintendo exclusives. Switch is like 50 million short of PS4 and Animal Crossing sold like 12 million in 3 months. I am actually sad about God of War.
 

Chandoo

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I am sorry but these are criminally short numbers. Look at Nintendo exclusives. Switch is like 50 million short of PS4 and Animal Crossing sold like 12 million in 3 months. I am actually sad about God of War.
Near 4 million in 4 days for a single console is criminally short now :laugh1:

The last game from the same company, Uncharted 4, sold 2.7m in it's first week. This is over 1m more and in less time, and these are numbers collected from trophy data. The shipped numbers, which everyone counts, are likely higher.
 

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There is no way someone will spare someone if they killed their father in front of them in that brutal way. No matter what ever anyone says wouldn't change that. There is no way a person like Ellie who has killed so many people would spare Abby. In no universe that would happen. Abby is a shit psychopath character, Joel saved her she still killed him in the most brutal way possible.
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Joel saving Abby didn't impact her at the time. She was filled with the same rage that Ellie had when she set out on her vengeful journey. It's during her interaction with Lev that she gained empathy for others, much like Joel did during his interaction with Ellie. Joel was no heroic figure either. He had done terrible things as a smuggler prior to the events of Part I. He also took away humanity's only shot at a cure for the plague by saving the Ellie, killing 100s of Fireflies in the process who were trying to do the right thing. As a father, he did what was right for him.

You're disregarding Ellie's journey throughout this game when you say that "in no universe would she spare Abby". Yes, she wouldn't have spared Abby during their first fight, had she managed to get the upper hand. She was suffering from PTSD. Those flashbacks she got of Joel's death haunted her, even after Abby had spared her. Despite that, she was trying to overcome her issues and live a happy life with Dina. It was Tommy who gave her a pivotal push to return to her path of vengeance, by making it seem like she owed it to him (and Joel).

Abby had already broken out of the cycle of revenge after she spared Ellie the second time. She wasn't even willing to fight Ellie in their last encounter. It was Ellie's turn to do the same, and she did. The vision she had of Joel playing the guitar while strangling/drowning was symbolic of her letting go of her vengeance and moving on, because up until that point, the only memories she had of him were of him getting killed. Keep in mind, all the positive flashbacks of Ellie weren't her recollecting those memories. They were shown to the player to fill the gaps between the events of part I and II.

Witcher 3 has so many characters and stories and so good to play.
I never found Witcher 3 good to play. It has one of the worst combat systems in a hack and slash rpg, and character movement isn't responsive either. It's broken af. And a lot of your time during quests is spent following a lousy red trail of scent. In my opinion, games like Witcher 3 and RDR2 are more about the experience, characters, narrative, worldbuillding, and exploration, not combat. Critics also largely praise both games for these aspects.

You say TLOU1's combat was shit, but it's a game that, even today, has a dedicated multiplayer userbase. No shooter with poor mechanics will ever find success in a competitive environment. Heck, there are even some games with great mechanics that didn't work as multiplayer games. Metal Gear Online (MGSV), for example, was dead within months of its release.

TLOU1 is better game than 2 but no way better than Witcher 3. Don't care about critics rating.
If you don't care about critics' ratings like you say, how come you were upset that both TLOU games are rated higher than Witcher 3? lol seems like it does matter to you on some level.

There are many TPS games which has much better shooting than this.
lol I'd be really interested in knowing the names of these TPS games. And even if you do find the shooting better in other games, there are other aspects here that elevate the gameplay, such as the range of combat options at your disposal, the smart enemy AI (on Survivor difficulty at least), or the encounter design.

I think maybe because I am not a fan of linear story and gameplay that's why I just consider it to be 8/10 at best.
Honestly, if, despite not being a fan of linear games, you ended up scoring it an 8/10, I'd call that an achievement on the game's part.
 
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Man, it sucks how your exploration can be thwarted by story progression if you were to explore the wrong place first. It would have been nice if the game had an optional story/objective marker. I've noticed some pop in issues as well but they are generally minor and infrequent. My game also froze/crashed once in the last encounter and I had to restart it. In one instance, I was grabbed and killed by a clicker when I was in the killing animation on another clicker. These are the only somewhat objective issues I could find in the game for now. Some of them will probably be fixed in an update.
 

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Man, it sucks how your exploration can be thwarted by story progression if you were to explore the wrong place first. It would have been nice if the game had an optional story/objective marker. I've noticed some pop in issues as well but they are generally minor and infrequent. My game also froze/crashed once in the last encounter and I had to restart it. In one instance, I was grabbed and killed by a clicker when I was in the killing animation on another clicker. These are the only somewhat objective issues I could find in the game for now. Some of them will probably be fixed in an update.
I completely agree with the exploration part. Happened to me where I accidentally opened up a door and even though I knew there was a safe somewhere that I could've opened but was getting around to it after seeing a WiFi password as the safe code and then wham! No way to go back except to progress on with the story and get back to it later via chapter select. Although it is quite OK from the immersion POV to not have any markers or anything unless getting a hint on where to go, that coupled with the disappearing HUD.

Encountered quite a lot of Pop-In issues and I had a SSD as well but lol the streaming of the game has some issues. Also encountered quite a many visual glitches and some gameplay glitches, made a video about it, would link it here but it has spoilers :p
 

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Jee, still the highest rated game of the year if we exclude re-releases. And this score isn't final. There are around 10-15 more reviews to go, including GiantBomb's.
Oh Persona 5 royal is a re-release now thought you said its a new game. Oh wait it is a re-release now that Tlou 2 isnt on top anymore I get it.

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No matter how good the Graphics, Animation and Gameplay is the game still does NOT deserve 10/10 by every critic.

You can see many neutral reviewers here in this thread even giving it at most 8/10, Some pissed off fans are rating it lower.

There are too many flaws with the storyline. How did the critics forgive all that?

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I like how Abby said "Good" when she hears Dina is pregnant and was about to slit her throat until Lev stopped her.
How she vomits when she sees Owen dead but has no issues golfing someone to a pulp or slitting pregnant women :tv:

At least Ellie felt some remorse after she got to know that Mel was pregnant, I doubt Abby would have felt any the way she was ready to kill Dina.


The only flaw with Ellie is that she let Abby go after killing so many possibly innocent people in the way to get to her, including Fat Geralt who helps her find Abby's (Girll, Biceps like mine(Wtf? I thought she was literally malnourished at that point with just bones showing)) whereabouts and even stops his friend from causing violence with her.

Joel and Tommy are suddenly trusting bunch of random individuals and giving them their name and address, Hey guys am JOEL MILLER who definitely had nothing to do with taking down Fireflies, just drop by my place for some tea.

Tommy: Yeah guys meet my brother JOEL MILLER

On the contrary they didn't even tell Joel's surname. I wonder how many Joels did Abby kill at this point :p


 
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Please can anyone elaborate what is so amazing about gameplay.

Give me one new move that is new to Last of Us 2 that has not been done before hundreds of times. From what I played, I dont think this game even has ledge and window take downs?

Hiding in the bushes is something groundbreaking now lol,

A game that is so much invested in realism and scavenging is telling me that make shift arrows can kill in one hit and it will require multiple shots from guns.

Some crazy love triangles with pregnant ladies is more important that bringing more infected enemy types.

The only saving grace for me at this time is superb Graphics and how developers knew what they are working with instead of bringing new experimental tech.
 
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