[SOLVED] SSD Reliability issues?

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Nomad

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Due to recent decrease in SSD prices I was thinking about getting a 120GB SSD (Corsair GT). But then I read comments from users that SSDs have a high failure rate and are not very reliable. They seem particularly prone to power failures (which we get every hour) and a UPS seems like a pre-requisite of getting an SSD.

And as I don't have a UPS for my PC, is it wise to get an SSD and use it as system drive?

I would greatly appreciate any help (particularly from people with first hand knowledge) in this regard.
 

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I personally had used three different brand SSDs .. G.Skill... Crucial.... Kingston.. .
non of those died with me .. even they are working till now with their present owners

however, i read and heard about random issues with SSDs .. like their life is shorter than Hard disks .. performance drop after sometimes... boot failure issue like in Kingston SSDNow (http://www.kitguru.net/components/s...on-update-v100-firmware-to-stop-boot-failure/) .... sudden death

generally, not all SSDs are problematic.. before buying check thoroughly the SSD you want to buy ... read its reviews.. ask people for any issue related to it

here at PG, @ali tayyab can answer this in better way.. as he does not prefer SSDs .. i dont know why :) he may explain here
 

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There is nothing wrong with SSDs. Just make sure you get a good one. I've been using Kingston V+200 for over 4-5 months now and its working absolutely fine even after all the load shedding and stuff. So, stop worrying and get it.
 

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Ignore these stupid rumors as none of them are true. Get an SSD and enjoy lightening speeds.
Thanks mate :). It's good to know that you have a good experience with SSD :). You own one of the two SSDs which is recommended by everybody for their speed and reliability on different forums I checked. Sadly SSDs from Crucial and Samsung are not available locally :(


I personally had used three different brand SSDs .. G.Skill... Crucial.... Kingston.. .
non of those died with me .. even they are working till now with their present owners
Thanks mate :). That does put my mind at ease :)


however, i read and heard about random issues with SSDs .. like their life is shorter than Hard disks .. performance drop after sometimes... boot failure issue like in Kingston SSDNow (http://www.kitguru.net/components/s...on-update-v100-firmware-to-stop-boot-failure/) .... sudden death
- Shorter life of SSDs compared to HDDs is not much of an issue. It might be shorter, but it still is significantly long. I don't expect to be using a drive in 2020 that I buy today.
- Performance seems to depend on the controller and NAND used in the drive and the volume of data. That is why I'm considering the GT version instead of the normal Force 3 version.
- Boot failures and particularly sudden death are the issues that worry me :(


here at PG, @ali tayyab can answer this in better way.. as he does not prefer SSDs .. i dont know why :) he may explain here
Waiting anxiously for his valuable input :)


who told you that

SSDs are better then HDDs :)
Theoretically speaking SSDs should be more reliable as they don't have any physical movement. But they aren't as mature products as HDDs and hence still have some issues. Some people on PG made such statements which made me look for this on different hardware forums. Some of the posts I found were a bit old, but they did describe hardware failures of SSDs and loss of data due to power failures. On one forum I found statements from a user that his Crucial SSD maintained its data while SSD from OCZ lost it due to power failure (same system). But there isn't much on international forums regarding SSD failures due to power failure as this is not a problem that they face and only we are blessed with it :(. That's why I asked this question here as people in Pakistan would be in a better position to answer this question as they would have first hand knowledge of this issue (load shedding).

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There is nothing wrong with SSDs. Just make sure you get a good one. I've been using Kingston V+200 for over 4-5 months now and its working absolutely fine even after all the load shedding and stuff. So, stop worrying and get it.
Thanks mate :). Looks like I'll be buying an SSD today :)
 

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Ssd uses mlc flash which have limited write cycles. Depending on the drive and the type of flash it uses as well as its qulatiy, the life would vary. Even drives that employ slc flash, the same applies, the difference being in cost and lifetime data reliability

This is apart from firmware stability issues that are largely dependent on third party integrators and how quickly they respond to these

I dont like ssds as they are more expensive in terms of cost per sotrage unit and that quicker boot times are redundant for me as my computers are either on or in sleep mode. And i really dont mind a couple of minutes of waiting for the computer to start.


If i were to use a ssd, id use it as a boot drive, with an magnetic drive for everything else.


I'd consider ssds offering better data integrity as data writen properly will have better chances of survival as compared to an hdd. Reliability, i have my reservations. With all lsi/sf controller drives, write ampiflication is a factor as well.
 
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@Nomad
I wouldn't suggest you to get Corsair Force GT. First of all, SandForce is known for many firmware related issues. Secondly, Corsair has now their own controller. So, I wouldnt be surprised if they take time to resolve issues related to their SandForce driven drives.

I would suggest you to get Intel SSD 330 120 GB at 12.5k or SSD 520 for 16.5k.
 

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If i were to use a ssd, id use it as a boot drive, with an magnetic drive for everything else.
Thanks mate :). I'll use SSD only as the system drive and it will primarily have only Windows. Using SSD as a storage drive obviously doesn't make any sense.


@Nomad
I wouldn't suggest you to get Corsair Force GT. First of all, SandForce is known for many firmware related issues. Secondly, Corsair has now their own controller. So, I wouldnt be surprised if they take time to resolve issues related to their SandForce driven drives.

I would suggest you to get Intel SSD 330 120 GB at 12.5k or SSD 520 for 16.5k.
Corsair Force GT and Intel 330 and 520 use the same SandForce 2281 controller. That's why I thought that Corsair GT would be just as reliable as Intel drives. But it seems Intel has better quality controls and there drives are still more reliable, although at a slight cost of performance. Another reason why I preferred Corsair GT is because on Amazon and Newegg Force GT is more expensive than Intel 330. But over here the situation is reverse.

I think I'll go for Intel 330 120GB. I won't go for 520 as that is too expensive. I started thinking about SSD because Corsair Force 3 was available for less than 10k. Then due to better performance I decided to go for GT version at a bit higher cost. Now I have decided to spend just a little bit more for a more reliable drive. Any further increase in price and I might drop the whole idea of getting an SSD :$
 

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Thanks mate :). I'll use SSD only as the system drive and it will primarily have only Windows. Using SSD as a storage drive obviously doesn't make any sense.



Corsair Force GT and Intel 330 and 520 use the same SandForce 2281 controller. That's why I thought that Corsair GT would be just as reliable as Intel drives. But it seems Intel has better quality controls and there drives are still more reliable, although at a slight cost of performance. Another reason why I preferred Corsair GT is because on Amazon and Newegg Force GT is more expensive than Intel 330. But over here the situation is reverse.

I think I'll go for Intel 330 120GB. I won't go for 520 as that is too expensive. I started thinking about SSD because Corsair Force 3 was available for less than 10k. Then due to better performance I decided to go for GT version at a bit higher cost. Now I have decided to spend just a little bit more for a more reliable drive. Any further increase in price and I might drop the whole idea of getting an SSD :$
the controller might be the same, but the firmware is not. Intel is better at updating its firmware as compared to other OEMs so yes Intel is better.
 

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I think I'll go for Intel 330 120GB. I won't go for 520 as that is too expensive. I started thinking about SSD because Corsair Force 3 was available for less than 10k. Then due to better performance I decided to go for GT version at a bit higher cost. Now I have decided to spend just a little bit more for a more reliable drive. Any further increase in price and I might drop the whole idea of getting an SSD :$
Right now, the best you can do is find the cheapest SSD in the market with most probably a Sandforce controller. The fact that you're covered by a good amount of local warranty on the Corsair drives should actually make you get one of them, considering that they're the cheapest in the Pakistan. So that reliability factor should be taken care of within that warranty period as if the drive were to fail, then it would have during that time.

Getting a more expensive Intel SSD wouldn't make sense unless you're a millionaire. The extra premium for so-called reliability wouldn't be worth the money.
 

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well i have been using mushkin ssd and arround 1.5yrs has been passed still working
I am using it boot drive + Battlefield 3+ basic software use daily like ps

[MENTION=4486]ali tayyab[/MENTION] it feels great if your battlefield 3 loads fast then most of you plant the bomb quickly before even enemy team reaching :D
 

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as afq said intel 330. the ware levelling on intel ssd is much better another one is samsung 830 series but its not available here. just keep atleast 20% of the drive empty. dont worry about the write cycles coz if ur not using it as a scratch disk or media server it wont fail that easily.
 

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its very simple here guys....
no need to get into so complexity for any reason..
u can compare blazing speeds with data reliability..
if SSD's were that good everyone would be installing them..
but when that little question comes into ur mind..
do u i really need an SSD's??
does it actually give me the speed i am looking for??
does it serve my purpose...
just to install to major softwares and for the sake of 5 sec faster timings...and spending like more then 10k..
is it justified....???
i always tell guys to go for a raptor drive instead of SSD's if u wanna enjoy performance..
and believe me they are blazing fast..
many ppl will agree with me..
so u have to choose for urself..
and yes there are reliability issues with the SSD's...
there is always going to be a trade of using the NAND flash...as it evolves with the passage of time.....
 

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Right now, the best you can do is find the cheapest SSD in the market with most probably a Sandforce controller. The fact that you're covered by a good amount of local warranty on the Corsair drives should actually make you get one of them, considering that they're the cheapest in the Pakistan. So that reliability factor should be taken care of within that warranty period as if the drive were to fail, then it would have during that time.

Getting a more expensive Intel SSD wouldn't make sense unless you're a millionaire. The extra premium for so-called reliability wouldn't be worth the money.
The cheapest drive available is Corsair Force 3. But it uses Asynchronous NAND which is not as good as Synchronous NAND used in Corsair Force GT and Intel 330 and 520 SSDs. That makes the extra cost of SSD with Synchronous NAND justified in my opinion. And the extra premium for Intel drive in this case is of only Rs.600, for which I don't have to be a millionaire :wink2:

And a reliable drive will have more chance of still being trouble free after the expiry of warranty period. Besides, even if the drive is within warranty period, I would prefer a drive that won't make my system unusable for even a day or so and I would prefer not to get into the hassle of claiming warranty from our local shopkeepers.


well i have been using mushkin ssd and arround 1.5yrs has been passed still working
I am using it boot drive + Battlefield 3+ basic software use daily like ps
That's good to know :)


as afq said intel 330. the ware levelling on intel ssd is much better another one is samsung 830 series but its not available here. just keep atleast 20% of the drive empty. dont worry about the write cycles coz if ur not using it as a scratch disk or media server it wont fail that easily.
I wouldn't have wasted so much time deciding which drive to buy if Samsung 830 series was available here :(. That was my first choice as an SSD but sadly due to its unavailability we have to decide between the ones available locally. Amongst those I have pretty much finalized Intel 330.
 
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