XBOX Polygon: Xbox "Scorpio" | 6 Tflops (to PS4K's 4.14 Tflops) | Fall 2017

[USUF]

• New, way beefier Xbox
• Code name "Scorpio"
• Targeting 5-6 peak Tflops (Corroborated by Kotaku and Polygon, current Xbox at 1.3 tflops)
• Final specs still in flux
• Targeting fall 2017 release
• Will support all current Xbox One games
• Microsoft to start sticking with an "iterative" console model from now on
• Report says nothing about separate (exclusive) games for the new system

Full details in the link


So let's discuss.

- Is this a new console gen? The quoted specs sort of suggest that.
- If it's not a new gen, is it only for playing current Xbox games at 4k?
- Is this Microsoft's move to bring PC and Xbox even closer together by having VR support for both?
- Or will this truly be a new gen, with separate games for Xbox Scorpio while having full backwards compatibility with Xbox One?

What about Sony?

- If the PS4 "Neo" is only for playing current PS4 games at higher visual fidelity, how confusing the market will be when Microsoft comes out with a new console gen next year with completely new games for the system?

- Does the PS4 "Neo" only enjoy a year's worth of relevance in the market then?

- How will developers cope with having multiple different variations of the same brand on the market (iterative consoles) ?

I realize we're comparing rumors against rumors. But a) Lots of media outlets have jumped in on this, so there's definitely something there and b) There's roughly 3 weeks left in E3 so let's hype the fuck out of ourselves why don't we?

E3 needs to get in here TODAY to clear all this confusion up. Can't take it anymore!

 

[USUF]

Phil's cryptic tweet about today's rumors.

https://twitter.com/XboxP3/status/735509199044501506


Hype train has officially left the station.

 

[Necrokiller]

If the speculated specs end up being reasonably accurate, then this would pretty much be a new gen but now with "backwards compatibility". Both Sony and MS will probably not market them as true successors ("PS5" or "Xbox Two"). They might be shifting to a two variants/generation model. This way they are more likely to convince consumers of a higher price tag, since I'd be surprised if these new consoles are priced at $400-$450.

Architectural similarities would mean porting over games to both systems won't be that hard, but it can be seen as an unnecessary chore for the developers. Exclusives for the more powerful console will be rare I think.

 

[Shyber]

If the speculated specs end up being reasonably accurate, then this would pretty much be a new gen but now with "backwards compatibility". Both Sony and MS will probably not market them as true successors ("PS5" or "Xbox Two"). They might be shifting to a two variants/generation model. This way they are more likely to convince consumers of a higher price tag, since I'd be surprised if these new consoles are priced at $400-$450.

Architectural similarities would mean porting over games to both systems won't be that hard, but it can be seen as an unnecessary chore for the developers. Exclusives for the more powerful console will be rare I think.

Just like PCs have a Low Medium High detail setting, Sony and MS will have console for each setting. lol.

 

[NaNoW]

• New, way beefier Xbox
• Code name "Scorpio"
• Targeting 5-6 peak Tflops (Corroborated by Kotaku and Polygon, current Xbox at 1.3 tflops)
• Final specs still in flux
• Targeting fall 2017 release
• Will support all current Xbox One games
• Microsoft to start sticking with an "iterative" console model from now on
• Report says nothing about separate (exclusive) games for the new system

Full details in the link


So let's discuss.

- Is this a new console gen? The quoted specs sort of suggest that.
- If it's not a new gen, is it only for playing current Xbox games at 4k?
- Is this Microsoft's move to bring PC and Xbox even closer together by having VR support for both?
- Or will this truly be a new gen, with separate games for Xbox Scorpio while having full backwards compatibility with Xbox One?

What about Sony?

- If the PS4 "Neo" is only for playing current PS4 games at higher visual fidelity, how confusing the market will be when Microsoft comes out with a new console gen next year with completely new games for the system?

- Does the PS4 "Neo" only enjoy a year's worth of relevance in the market then?

- How will developers cope with having multiple different variations of the same brand on the market (iterative consoles) ?

I realize we're comparing rumors against rumors. But a) Lots of media outlets have jumped in on this, so there's definitely something there and b) There's roughly 3 weeks left in E3 so let's hype the fuck out of ourselves why don't we?

E3 needs to get in here TODAY to clear all this confusion up. Can't take it anymore!

WHAT THE ACTUAL Freakkkaazoooidddd ?!!

IF this is indeed true and not done by polygon for s**ts and giggles and for traffic then 1000% Phil Spencer is behind this , the guy is a legend...


Let the console wars truly began ....and Nintendo comes out with NX at 8-9 TF ...

in all seriousness though..last gen when ps3 and xbox 360 were battling out for performance, nintendo came out with a swinging wand and made them look like fools..reminiscent of what it is seems like heading towards ..hmmm

 

[Radical]

War has changed...

 

[Radical]

Just like PCs have a Low Medium High detail setting, Sony and MS will have console for each setting. lol.

Exactly. We might see an end to exclusive content per system/gen. from now on. It's going to be like PC gaming, High, med, low spec-console(s) for games released henceforth!

 

[deltoid61]

Exactly. We might see an end to exclusive content per system/gen. from now on. It's going to be like PC gaming, High, med, low spec-console(s) for games released henceforth!

its all coming to End and at the end there will only be PC it seems like console makers dont know what they are doing consoles( last gen ) were not able to run 3d smoothly how come they are aiming for 4k
i think squaresoft is behind all this they want a remake of ff X/X2 again for next gen LOL

 

[USUF]

its all coming to End and at the end there will only be PC

Oh goodness not another one of these.

 

[iampasha]

People who say shit like this are no different than people who used to say "PC gaming is dead!11!!1" Look bud, neither consoles nor PC gaming are going away any time soon. They are two different products suited for different audience.

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[bobama]

War has changed...

War. War never changes

 

[Necrokiller]

AMD just shocked everyone with the price of their VR Ready RX 480 @ $200! A $400-$450 console might just be possible now.

 

[NaNoW]

AMD just shocked everyone with the price of their VR Ready RX 480 @ $200! A $400-$450 console might just be possible now.

this deserves a new thread
[MENTION=21647]nafu[/MENTION] Pakgamers PC guys are having wet dreams now ??

 

[nafu]

this deserves a new thread
@nafu Pakgamers PC guys are having wet dreams now ??

its evolutionry development for PC Gamers. Just like last year NVIDIA produces maxwell and it blow away AMD's hawaii. Gamers are excited, especially those who always have concerns about their budget and talking on and on that PC gaming is expensive.

the way 2016 going in tech, PCMasterRace gets speedy.

 

[deltoid61]

Everything is going in PC bag. This gen graphic upcoming
cards are way cheap

 

[Schneizel]

There is no way high fidelity can be kept at 4k 60 with 6 teraflops. While it is possible to achieve the same, the downgrade to visuals will be severe.

 

[Necrokiller]

Thats one hell of an expensive upgrade path.

[FONT=&quot]Still running a 1080p TV? Then you should forget about buying Xbox Scorpio.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]That’s the message from Xbox boss Phil Spencer. He was asked by Eurogamer about the thinking behind announcing the new Xbox One S only to an hour later reveal a brand new machine, Xbox Scorpio.
[/FONT]
“You should buy [the Xbox One S], because Scorpio is not going to do anything for you,” Spencer said after asking the reviewer what TV he had – in this instance a 1080p set. “Scorpio is designed as a 4K console, and if you don't have a 4K TV, the benefit we've designed for, you're not going to see."

“Clearly, you can buy Scorpio, and if and when you decide you want to buy a 4K television to take advantage of the increased performance, obviously the console will be ready for you. For us in the industry, it's easy to think that most power is always the thing that wins. If you look at last gen, what won? The Wii won. The Wii sold more than we did on Xbox 360 and the PS3, and it wasn't the most powerful console out there. Price is critically important. Wii was a good price and it had a great experience.

“Scorpio is for the person who's got a 4K television, who's really focused on 4K gaming. It's going to be a premium price over what we're selling this one for, and both of them will exist in the market at the same time. Scorpio is for your 4K gamer. And that's what we designed it for.”

It was speculated yesterday that while it seems Xbox Scorpio will have a quite significant power advantage over PS4 Neo, that advantage will come at a cost – that literally being the cost, which could be some $100 more than Sony’s new machine.

Spencer: Scorpio won't do anything for you if you don't have a 4K TV | Games industry news | MCV

 

[NaNoW]

“Scorpio is for the person who's got a 4K television, who's really focused on 4K gaming. It's going to be a premium price over what we're selling this one for, and both of them will exist in the market at the same time. Scorpio is for your 4K gamer. And that's what we designed it for.”

How does this make sense when all of the games MS showcased were for XBOX AND WINDOWS 10 EXCLUSIVE? If there arent any exclusives, what is the actual point of owning Xbox? Why not just buy a PC if you want 4K? Does Spencer mean that Xbox is a better PC than....PC ?

This is why I think people will buy PS4, simply due to exclusives...but to be honest the other way to look at this will be since due to the size of PC market, increasing growth on PC front or Xbox front money goes to uncle bill...so Xbox just become a brand instead of hardware manufacturer. They will take significant market share in PC market by bringing all their games on it.

 

[Necrokiller]

If there arent any exclusives, what is the actual point of owning Xbox? Why not just buy a PC if you want 4K?

Because its easier for the average joe (majority demographic) to go to their nearest retail store and grab an Xbox than building a PC and transitioning to the PC ecosystem. For that same reason, PS4 gamers will likely invest in an Xbox than a gaming PC.

They will take significant market share in PC market by bringing all their games on it.

Thats highly unlikely, esp given the dire state of the Windows Store.

 

[NaNoW]

Because its easier for the average joe (majority demographic) to go to their nearest retail store and grab an Xbox than building a PC and transitioning to the PC ecosystem. For that same reason, PS4 gamers will likely invest in an Xbox than a gaming PC.

hmmmm...you are right but I also think the avg joe in upcoming years will be more tech savvy than previous years due to demographic shift.

[/COLOR]Thats highly unlikely, esp given the dire state of the Windows Store.

If MS doesnt plan to REALLY upgrade windows store, it will be the oversight of this generation.

I have to say those, those Xbox live services (groups, tournaments, ..blah blah) are a really nice addition.